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Discussion: Is Gaga's downfall in fact adjustment to normal standard?
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Originally posted by blasianlove
Maybe if this were BTW era, but Artpop was a complete flop for ANY major pop girl not just the amazing Gaga. If Katy, Taylor, Miley, kelly Clarkson, Pink, Beyonce, Ariana Grande, Iggy Azllakia, or Rihanna failed to get a top 3 hit they would be dragged to hell and bak
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How is selling 750 k in the US and almost 2.5 M WW still considered a flop when some of the it girls of 2013 and 2014 sold half of it? Where's the logic?
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Her album was #25 on 2013 year-end charts and she is nowhere to be seen on this year's chart. That's where her place is in today's industry.
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According to MediaTraffic :
Beyonce - 3.7M albums sold
Katy - 3.5M albums sold
Lorde - 2.8M albums sold
Miley - 2.0 albums sold
Gaga - 1.9M albums sold
"ARTPOP is the biggest flop of all time".
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Member Since: 8/18/2013
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Originally posted by DonnieDarko
How is selling 750 k in the US and almost 2.5 M WW still considered a flop when some of the it girls of 2013 and 2014 sold half of it? Where's the logic?
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I mean.
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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LOL.
Lady Gaga, LADY GAGA, sold around 750,000 of her album in the USA. She flopped. Let it go. Shouldn't ya'll be done with the five stages of grief yet? STILL suck at denial??
One flop era does not make a flop career. She'll be back. Accept the flopping and focus on the future.
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Member Since: 4/22/2012
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Originally posted by blasianlove
Maybe if this were BTW era, but Artpop was a complete flop for ANY major pop girl not just the amazing Gaga. If Katy, Taylor, Miley, kelly Clarkson, Pink, Beyonce, Ariana Grande, Iggy Azllakia, or Rihanna failed to get a top 3 hit they would be dragged to hell and bak
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So since Applause peaked at #4 (and stayed for months in the top10) getting a #3 is the standard that makes an era not be a complete flop. Thanks for your trasparent input.
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Originally posted by Migrate
But think about it this way... If she wasn't already a superstar then ARTPOP and Applause would have even worse number. I'm talking about B-list kind of number. The ARTPOP era was really a downfall, not an adjustment.
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That doesn't make any sense or else G.U.Y. would have done decently.
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Originally posted by Aleks
Her album was #25 on 2013 year-end charts and she is nowhere to be seen on this year's chart. That's where her place is in today's industry.
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Except it was a top 10 album seller of 2013 according to IPFI, get your facts straight
http://www.ifpi.org/best-sellers.php
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Originally posted by - JED -
That doesn't make any sense or else G.U.Y. would have done decently.
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The Halo effect only lasts for a certain amount of time. And you just admitted that G.U.Y. flopped on its merit, further proof that ARTPOP was a flop and not just an 'adjustment.'
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G.u.y. video was paid by gaga herself her team was nowhere they did not promote it at all she had no radio deal . Do you think your faves are doing good on radio thanks to the holy spirit? They pay.
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Originally posted by Lord Gaga
Your position is bleak darling.
But she is still a huge star and more powerful than people ATRL puts on her level now. It wasn't cool to like Gaga during 2013 but she still managed to get 2M sold WW.
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She was a massive star, but just like any other her impact fades each day she's not releasing successful music.
It would be delusional to think that ARTPOP would achieve its number on its own strength. Even if Applause wasn't #1, she still had a lot of star power back then. I am one of those people who bought ARTPOP after buying TFM and BTW and made up their mind to skip her next album unless it proves itself.
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Member Since: 4/22/2012
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Originally posted by Migrate
The Halo effect only lasts for a certain amount of time. And you just admitted that G.U.Y. flopped on its merit, further proof that ARTPOP was a flop and not just an 'adjustment.'
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Well that's what you say. One flop single doesn't make an era completely flop, by that logic the PRISM era is a complete flop too because it had its flopping singles (not as bad as bad as ARTPOP's but still).
And I'm not saying ARTPOP is a big success or anything,
what I'm saying is that it wasn't the major flop this forum pretends it was.
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Originally posted by - JED -
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But sis, I was talking about sales, not shipments.
Her label obviously had bigger expectations, which is why they lost money promoting it.
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Why are some of you comparing ARTPOP sales to the likes of BANGERZ and PURE HEROINE? Their careers, their fanbases, their touring etc is completely different from Lady Gaga's.
If you compare Miley's Bangerz era and her platinum album to her previous effort, she gained about 200% or more in sales.
Why not compare Lady Gaga's ARTPOP with BTW?
Saying "Oh well, she's selling as much as the other pop girls" makes no sense to me. Those girls, Katy Perry, Rihanna, Beyonce are selling around the same numbers as they've always done.
The only one who dropped significantly is Lady Gaga, which is the same as saying that this album flopped tremendously compared to her previous efforts.
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I agree partially in the sense that ARTPOP wasn't as much of an under performance as people make it seem. But it still under performed. But if you compare the ratio between ARTPOP singles and album sales and other pop girls like Katy's singles/album sales, you'll see that if Gaga comes back with an album full of the right songs, she will be album to be an album seller again.
I mean, considering Applause sold approximately "X"K until the album launch and ARTPOP sold aproximately 260K on its debut week, doesn't it seem strange that Roar sold aproximately 2 times what Applause sold, hence, "2X"K, but Prism only sold 290K on its debut week? That shows Gaga still has more starpower than her peers. She just needs the right songs.
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Member Since: 4/30/2012
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ARTPOP was not an adjustment, it really was a downfall. ARTPOP did okay and it's success is often downplayed on ATRL, but it's performance is indicative of the much bigger issue: besides her stans, the public just doesn't care about her anymore. It's gonna take some major rebranding and a PR miracle for her to regain any semblance of her former glory.
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Originally posted by Aleks
But sis, I was talking about sales, not shipments.
Her label obviously had bigger expectations, which is why they lost money promoting it.
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Not this again
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Not an adjustment, because if it was, she would be able to sell on par with the other girls.
It is a downfall.
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Originally posted by Almighty Gaga
Yes.
ATRLers are the kind of people that would call Adele's next era numbers a downfall if she did like 10M WW.
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This.
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Yes.
The OP
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Originally posted by Qwerty1234
Why are some of you comparing ARTPOP sales to the likes of BANGERZ and PURE HEROINE? Their careers, their fanbases, their touring etc is completely different from Lady Gaga's.
If you compare Miley's Bangerz era and her platinum album to her previous effort, she gained about 200% or more in sales.
Why not compare Lady Gaga's ARTPOP with BTW?
Saying "Oh well, she's selling as much as the other pop girls" makes no sense to me. Those girls, Katy Perry, Rihanna, Beyonce are selling around the same numbers as they've always done.
The only one who dropped significantly is Lady Gaga, which is the same as saying that this album flopped tremendously compared to her previous efforts.
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Exactly You just proved the OPs point, thank you <3
I agree ARTPOP is an underperformance, but it's on par with Beyonce's 4, whereas people make it seem like it's worse than Bionic and Warrior /endthread.
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