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Celeb News: "Teams of songwriters are ruining music" says Noel Gallagher
Member Since: 3/2/2014
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Originally posted by havefaithrestart
SOME songwriting teams, not all of them. Plus the lyrics could be good and a producer can ruin the song with a generic sound to make it a hit, so that's another topic that has nothing to do with the songwriting process.
Anyway, I do agree with him and I'd rather everyone write their own songs but if it's not possible, then it's better to have songwriting teams than artists singing ****** songs because they can't write.
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I agree with you.
Noel has a point tho. It's just that he finds it hard to understand what pop music really works because of his musical background and where he comes from. He sometimes is narrow-minded and can sound like on old dude but at least, he speaks his mind and is not afraid to be critized for it.
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I get what he's saying, but not everyone is talented enough to write a song by themselves. Some "artists" need a team of well-known songwriters in order to create even the most basic of songs.
The only time it really bugs me is when a popstar claims to be a songwriter but has to work with the biggest names in pop music songwriting in order to create their songs. A songwriter doesn't need help from big-name songwriters, they can do it with themselves.
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this is very true tbh. thats why i stan for Gaga, Shakira, Lana etc they write their own stuff with help of like 1 or 2 ppl...
Rihanna is the only girl istan for who has a ig writing team and its just because she is the first pop girl i stanned for and Umbrella changed my life lol...also her music and vocal delivery do something to me and her looks are unparalleled
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Member Since: 3/15/2013
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Originally posted by YouBetterPopBitch
I agree with you.
Noel has a point tho. It's just that he finds it hard to understand what pop music really works because of his musical background and where he comes from. He sometimes is narrow-minded and can sound like on old dude but at least, he speaks his mind and is not afraid to be critized for it.
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I'm the same sometimes haha. I stan songwriters and have always being a little close-minded about this topic but I'm trying to keep an open mind here and realize not everything is black or white. That's why I half-agree, half-disagree.
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he has a point even though it's from a douche bag perspective.
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Member Since: 8/17/2013
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Why can't people have an opinion w/o being accused of being bitter.
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by IBeMe
this is very true tbh. thats why i stan for Gaga, Shakira, Lana etc they write their own stuff with help of like 1 or 2 ppl...
Rihanna is the only girl istan for who has a ig writing team and its just because she is the first pop girl i stanned for and Umbrella changed my life lol...also her music and vocal delivery do something to me and her looks are unparalleled
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Gorl Applause writers:
Stefani Germanotta, Paul "DJ White Shadow" Blair, Dino Zisis, Nick Monson, Martin Bresso, Nicolas Mercier, Julien Arias, William Grigahcine
Dare Writers:
Shakira, Jay Singh, Lukasz Gottwald, Mathieu Jomphe-Lepine, Max Martin, Henry Walter, Raelene Arreguin, John J. Conte, Jr.
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Member Since: 8/17/2013
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Originally posted by Bang Up
I get what he's saying, but not everyone is talented enough to write a song by themselves. Some "artists" need a team of well-known songwriters in order to create even the most basic of songs.
The only time it really bugs me is when a popstar claims to be a songwriter but has to work with the biggest names in pop music songwriting in order to create their songs. A songwriter doesn't need help from big-name songwriters, they can do it with themselves.
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You really don't need a team to make a song. Maybe for a guaranteed hit. Even artists who can't write, can ask a one or two people to make a song. Nine people is ridiculous, how much is each person contributing to even warrant a credit?
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Originally posted by cloudinthesky
He sounds mad that he's not relevant in pop music anymore tbh. Stop hating on everybody else and focus on your own career. Lead by example, instead of spouting off at the mouth.
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Mad ? Really ?
First things first, the guy is a rock star so him being "not relevant in pop music anymore" is wrong.
Just a little reminder:
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He was often regarded as the spear-head of the Britpop movement, and at one point of time, NME termed a number of Britpop bands (including Kula Shaker, Ocean Colour Scene and Cast) as "Noelrock", citing Gallagher's influence on their success. Many have praised Gallagher's songwriting, with George Martin claiming him to be 'the finest songwriter of his generation'.
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His first solo album was #1 in the UK and he's about to release his 2nd solo album, so he's still pretty relevant isn't he ? The guy has always speaking his mind, said a lot of true things that not many people would have dare to say, he said a lot of bs over the years as well... He's always been like that. He's not here to please people.
Having said that, I agree with him but like somebody else said, I prefer a team of songwriters who write great tunes because not everybody has the talent for writing songs and there's nothing wrong with that actually. I stan for Britney and the fact her biggest tunes weren't written by her is not a problem for me. Tho, if you take songs like "...Baby One More Time" (written by Max Martin) or "Oops!...I did It Again" (written by Max and Rami), it was written by one or two people, same for "Slave 4 U" (written by The Neptunes) etc.
It's nothing new pop artists have teams of songwriters for them but we have to admit that, especially nowadays, there's more and more people credited for one song, like who's doing what, it's just ridiculous sometimes...
For example, you look at the credits for "Booty"
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It was written and produced by Cory Rooney, Lopez and Benny Medina, with additional writing from Chris Brown, Asia Bryant, Armando Pérez, Diplo, Lewis D. Gittus, Tedra Renee Wilson, and Danny Omerhodic.
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...and you're thinking "all these people have actually been in the same room to write a meaningless song like that , well ok there you go....
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Originally posted by casholic
Gorl Applause writers:
Stefani Germanotta, Paul "DJ White Shadow" Blair, Dino Zisis, Nick Monson, Martin Bresso, Nicolas Mercier, Julien Arias, William Grigahcine
Dare Writers:
Shakira, Jay Singh, Lukasz Gottwald, Mathieu Jomphe-Lepine, Max Martin, Henry Walter, Raelene Arreguin, John J. Conte, Jr.
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And both those songs are lyrically basic, and nowhere near the lyric quality of their work with less writers.
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Member Since: 8/17/2013
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Originally posted by YouBetterPopBitch
For example, you look at the credits for "Booty"
...and you're thinking "all these people have actually been in the same room to write a meaningless song like that , well ok there you go....
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Well to be fair, "Booty" is just an old Diplo song J.Lo's people rewrote lyrics for, the people after Diplo are the original songwriters.
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I don't get it. Why does someone need an entire team to write a damn song? I prefer artists that write their own songs. It just feels more personal imo. But I don't mind songwriter teams.
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Originally posted by BlueTimberwolf
Well to be fair, "Booty" is just an old Diplo song J.Lo's people rewrote lyrics for, the people after Diplo are the original songwriters.
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Yeah right. That wasn't the best example actually but you get what I meant
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Originally posted by Kingfisher
this guy is so obnoxious
writing teams are abt as old as pop music itself, which is probably why only dadrock fossils can't seem to stop talking about how x is ruining music
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Member Since: 2/6/2014
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There has been teams of songwriters for years.
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Originally posted by Lose My Breath
If the song is good, what does it matter?
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Originally posted by BlueTimberwolf
You really don't need a team to make a song. Maybe for a guaranteed hit. Even artists who can't write, can ask a one or two people to make a song. Nine people is ridiculous, how much is each person contributing to even warrant a credit?
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When it comes to writers like Dr. Luke, they have entire teams that work with him so they all get credit. It's so strange when it takes nine people to write a song that is nothing but a bunch of cliche poems put together.
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Originally posted by casholic
Gorl Applause writers:
Stefani Germanotta, Paul "DJ White Shadow" Blair, Dino Zisis, Nick Monson, Martin Bresso, Nicolas Mercier, Julien Arias, William Grigahcine
Dare Writers:
Shakira, Jay Singh, Lukasz Gottwald, Mathieu Jomphe-Lepine, Max Martin, Henry Walter, Raelene Arreguin, John J. Conte, Jr.
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Bold = the only actual songwriters Gaga is involved with. The others are producers, samplers, beat makers that Gaga gives credit to because she has always been incredibly liberal with her credits. In fact, the non-bold are people who have never even stepped foot in a studio with her.
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Member Since: 3/2/2014
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Originally posted by M A R C
There has been teams of songwriters for years.
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He's not really saying it's new tho.
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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as long as the finished product is good I couldn't care less
but most of the songs I love and listen to everyday barely have more than 1 verse anyway so..
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Member Since: 9/4/2012
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didnt they like solely use songwriting teams back in the 50s and 60s tho?
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Eh. I think writing camps can be as good as the writers are.
Gallagher's opinion seems to be formed out of rockism than anything particularly fact-based.
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