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Discussion: U.S. Soldiers Are Not Heroes Just Because They Are Soldiers?
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Anybody who disrespects our soldiers should be kicked out of this nation
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Originally posted by Caesar
They risk their lives so we could be protected. So yes they are heros
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Originally posted by Giliap
Everything he was saying pertained to protecting REAL democracy.
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Nonsense, he's a raving hippy who claims the brave men and women protecting America's freedoms 24/7 "aren't heros". If he doesn't love the nation, why doesn't he leave?
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Originally posted by Ari Auris
Anybody who disrespects our soldiers should be kicked out of this nation
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Agreed completely, he should see how he likes it in that great socialist paradise North Korea!
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Eh, it's all about perspective. Most soldiers assume it's freedom they're fighting for and not other special interests.
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Originally posted by Bang Up
I agree wholeheartedly. While I do hope the troops in active combat come home safely, I do not respect them just because they chose to fight a war that is about greed, power, and money. I am a gay man in this country, so I am technically not "free". I cannot walk down the street with my boyfriend without being harassed, I cannot get married, and I cannot adopt children with my partner. Whatever the troops are fighting for, it has absolutely nothing to do with me. It is brave to do what they do but that is where it begins and ends. My respect is reserved for people who deserve it, such as teachers, parents, social activists, and Lady Gaga.
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Agreed! Especially the last part!
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Originally posted by Reza
although people do volunteer to be in the army I cant even imagine all of the horrible things they see and experience when they fight in war
if army veterans aren't heroes then who is?
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people who actually make positive, nonviolent changes in the world. people who are independent thinkers and influence people to question things.
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Gross. I understand where the author is coming from, but what is the point of heaping blame on the soliders? That doesn't change anything. Regardless of whether or not they are fighting for our literal freedom, they take a terrifying, traumatizing job that most of us do not want, and even if they aren't heroes, they deserve some respect. I mean, y'all realize if people didn't sign up that we would just be drafted, right? War is a lose-lose situation for all involved, so blame the people who start it.
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All of these people sitting comfortably behind their keyboards and criticizing army veterans disgust me my uncle was a veteran in the Vietnam war and was wounded. I swear if I saw any of you in real life I would spit on you.
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Originally posted by Reza
although people do volunteer to be in the army I cant even imagine all of the horrible things they see and experience when they fight in war
if army veterans aren't heroes then who is?
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I support the veterans who fought in WWI, WWII, Vietnam, etc. because they didn't have a choice with the draft in place and they were truly fighting for our country. Like, the soldiers who helped defeat Hitler? Amazing. The wars of today are nothing in comparison. The wars we fight today are simply for oil, power, and money. Nothing else. If we we were not in Afghanistan and Iraq, nothing would change. We've accomplished hardly anything in those countries as it is and, what do you know, nothing in this country has changed.
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Originally posted by Reza
All of these people sitting comfortably behind their keyboards and criticizing army veterans disgust me my uncle was a veteran in the Vietnam war and was wounded. I swear if I saw any of you in real life I would spit on you.
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Such a disgusting and insensitive thread to those who have lost people.
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Whoever wrote this article is dumb as ****. These veterans are the reasons you're not in a dictatorship and being governed by authorianism. No respect for those who believe otherwise.
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Originally posted by Goosey
Nonsense, he's a raving hippy who claims the brave men and women protecting America's freedoms 24/7 "aren't heros". If he doesn't love the nation, why doesn't he leave?
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I cannot take you seriously. "raving hippy." You sound like my Grandfather.
I for one agree with him and have MANY problems with how our country is and was founded on/by... however, the past is the past. No one can change it. That being said, I have faith that the United States of America will become a great nation one day. The U.S. has never been "The greatest country in the world" for many reasons. It's always been a work in progress. But people like us do want it to be.
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Originally posted by FOCK
I agree completely.
I have no respect for war or anybody that wilfully engages in it, if it includes the death of innocent people & then the expectation to be proclaimed a "hero".
You're a murderer. But whatever helps you sleep at night.
And this isn't regarding America only - but war in general. It's such an outdated concept - We live in a world where we can now speak and act like civil beings. Anybody who seeks war as an answer is behind in my eyes.
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YES! But if only the world worked like that...
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Y'all need to READ. We are talking about present day soldiers not veterans. Not your uncle or your pappy that served in Vietnam.
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Originally posted by King B
Whoever wrote this article is dumb as ****. These veterans are the reasons you're not in a dictatorship and being governed by authorianism. No respect for those who believe otherwise.
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But... we do live in a dictatorship. Our "freedom" is nothing more than a facade that we believe exists. At any moment for any reason, your rights can be taken away from you and you can be thrown in jail for the rest of your life.
No one is criticizing veterans, calling them names, or desecrating their sacrifices, we're just saying that people who fight in war don't automatically deserve respect.
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Originally posted by Giliap
Y'all need to READ. We are talking about present day soldiers not veterans. Not your uncle or your pappy that served in Vietnam.
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Yes, thank you. The brave men and women who were forced into war and had to bravely fight against actual evil, such as Hitler, and people who wanted to kill us and had the power to do so, are amazing and deserve respect. Before the World Wars, America did not have the power it has today, we were actually kind of weak and vulnerable. Nowadays with us having more nuclear bombs than any other country and the biggest military in the world, we have nothing to be afraid of. We're not fighting for our lives.
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Originally posted by Bang Up
I support the veterans who fought in WWI, WWII, Vietnam, etc. because they didn't have a choice with the draft in place and they were truly fighting for our country. Like, the soldiers who helped defeat Hitler? Amazing. The wars of today are nothing in comparison. The wars we fight today are simply for oil, power, and money. Nothing else. If we we were not in Afghanistan and Iraq, nothing would change. We've accomplished hardly anything in those countries as it is and, what do you know, nothing in this country has changed.
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you mean a war that America initiated themselves and lost???
why do you respect those soldiers when they were fighting for a faulty cause???
I'm sorry but it's either you respect them all or you respect none
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Originally posted by Sinister
you mean a war that America initiated themselves and lost???
why do you respect those soldiers when they were fighting for a faulty cause???
I'm sorry but it's either you respect them all or you respect none
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They were drafted and forced.
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Some of you are disgusting
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Originally posted by Ari Auris
Some of you are disgusting
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Nah, what's disgusting is that people continue to support America forcing its way into countries it doesn't belong and killing millions for the sake of power.
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Originally posted by Sinister
you mean a war that America initiated themselves and lost???
why do you respect those soldiers when they were fighting for a faulty cause???
I'm sorry but it's either you respect them all or you respect none
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Originally posted by Meowster
They were drafted and forced.
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Ding, ding. I have to respect people who were forced to do it, it's just a given. I don't support those wars, just the people who bravely fought because they simply had no choice.
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Originally posted by Goosey
Wow, just... no words vile! Salon.com? How unexpected. Miss Masciotra is a freedom-hating commie and she should go back to Europe.
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Care to elaborate on how advocating for the criticism of the government and its troops is a freedom-hating or Communist belief?
I mean, I know you're a troll, but at least be smart about it.
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If the Soldiers of today didn't do what they do, then the terror groups would've been trying to terrorize us more than ever. Some of you guys don't even realize that.
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