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Music News: JANET JACKSON Has Left IDJ
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The LA and Vegas shows were sold out
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I think Janet did what she could to help "Discipline", but I'm also not really sure the blame should be put on her label either even though they didn't promote her well after "Feedback". I don't want to make any enemies, cause I really do like Janet, but could it just be there isn't much demand for Janet anymore?
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Originally posted by Patrick
I think Janet did what she could to help "Discipline", but I'm also not really sure the blame should be put on her label either even though they didn't promote her well after "Feedback". I don't want to make any enemies, cause I really do like Janet, but could it just be there isn't much demand for Janet anymore?
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There is plenty much demand for Janet it's the the fact that she's "Migrated" to a new sort of style displayin no vision of roots from where she came from...i love Janet to death cuz i wanna dance for her eventually one day but i think if she'd give us classic Janet with a twist that she can adapt (cause lord knows she can) then i think we'll see her back in rare form
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Originally posted by eli's_rhythm
I would agree with you, but in this case it's the label. She wanted LUV, but they made her do Rock With U Idiots.
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But I bet if "Luv" would have flopped, she would have also blamed it on the label. The problem is Janet herself, and Discipline isn't very good. I honestly don't know how IDJ expected it to sell as good or better than 20 Y.O.
In any case, Live Nation is only investing money into the really BIG artists right now like Madonna, U2, Nickelback, Shakira, and Jay-Z. I doubt they're going to want to spend the money on Janet, or if they do, she's only going to get a very modest deal compared to the rest because she just doesn't have any draw anymore. Her albums aren't selling very much anymore and her latest tour is only getting a lackluster response. Live Nation only wants the artists that will rake in blockbuster numbers.
Maybe Janet can be an indie artist for a while?
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Originally posted by bobbymfw
But I bet if "Luv" would have flopped, she would have also blamed it on the label. The problem is Janet herself, and Discipline isn't very good. I honestly don't know how IDJ expected it to sell as good or better than 20 Y.O.
In any case, Live Nation is only investing money into the really BIG artists right now like Madonna, U2, Nickelback, Shakira, and Jay-Z. I doubt they're going to want to spend the money on Janet, or if they do, she's only going to get a very modest deal compared to the rest because she just doesn't have any draw anymore. Her albums aren't selling very much anymore and her latest tour is only getting a lackluster response. Live Nation only wants the artists that will rake in blockbuster numbers.
Maybe Janet can be an indie artist for a while?
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Oh please. Don't even insult Goddess Jan like that. Any label would kill to be responsible for her comeback. Trust she can find a label offer rather easily, Live Nation is no exception.
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Originally posted by bobbymfw
But I bet if "Luv" would have flopped, she would have also blamed it on the label. The problem is Janet herself, and Discipline isn't very good. I honestly don't know how IDJ expected it to sell as good or better than 20 Y.O.
In any case, Live Nation is only investing money into the really BIG artists right now like Madonna, U2, Nickelback, Shakira, and Jay-Z. I doubt they're going to want to spend the money on Janet, or if they do, she's only going to get a very modest deal compared to the rest because she just doesn't have any draw anymore. Her albums aren't selling very much anymore and her latest tour is only getting a lackluster response. Live Nation only wants the artists that will rake in blockbuster numbers.
Maybe Janet can be an indie artist for a while?
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Did you just say Nickelback and Shakira are bigger than Janet Jackson!!!
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Originally posted by dussymob
Did you just say Nickelback and Shakira are bigger than Janet Jackson!!!
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exactly.
some people here are just haterz
Janet will go to live nation who is very willing to sign her because janet can tour and make amazing tours!!
live nation is all about tours more so than everthing else!
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Originally posted by 1-N-Only21
I'm starting to think the problem isn't the label, it's her!
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YESSS.
I don't think it's only her single choice.
Everyone knows she alienated a lot of people with that Super Bowl Performance, and as a result, radio stations don't want to play her.
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Originally posted by bobbymfw
But I bet if "Luv" would have flopped, she would have also blamed it on the label.
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Perhaps. However, after "Feedback" was a minor hit, "LUV" could have done just as well if not better, because it is a better song for the US.
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The problem is Janet herself, and Discipline isn't very good. I honestly don't know how IDJ expected it to sell as good or better than 20 Y.O.
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I don't think Discipline is very good either, it's not very cohesive as whole. The ballads are both annoying and sound the same, "Curtains" and "Discipline" are useless, and "The 1" and "Rollercoaster" are just filler. The rest of the songs I love, though.
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In any case, Live Nation is only investing money into the really BIG artists right now like Madonna, U2, Nickelback, Shakira, and Jay-Z. I doubt they're going to want to spend the money on Janet, or if they do, she's only going to get a very modest deal compared to the rest because she just doesn't have any draw anymore. Her albums aren't selling very much anymore and her latest tour is only getting a lackluster response. Live Nation only wants the artists that will rake in blockbuster numbers.
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As little as Janet is selling right now she is still a huge name and I think Live Nation would jump at the chance to have her.
As for the tour... What are you talking about? It's gotten fantastic reviews, the only negative point being her hairdo. I think it's her best yet.
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Maybe Janet can be an indie artist for a while?
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LOL. If it meant she went back to her old ways, then maybe.
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Originally posted by havoc47
YESSS.
I don't think it's only her single choice.
Everyone knows she alienated a lot of people with that Super Bowl Performance, and as a result, radio stations don't want to play her.
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Exactly, so how is that her fault? She's not the one who took the boob thing off is she?
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i hope she finds a better label
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JANET JACKSON Has Left IDJ: Billboard Article
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After just 14 months on Island Def Jam, Janet Jackson announced today (Sept. 22) her departure from the label. According to Jackson's publicist, the label agreed to dissolve their relationship with the artist at her request.
After a long stint with Virgin, Jackson inked a deal with Island in July 2007 and released her label debut, "Discipline," in February. When album sales failed to meet expectations, the singer expressed dissatisfaction with IDJ, first telling SOHH.com that the label "stopped all promotion whatsoever on the album" after releasing the first single, "Feedback."
Earlier this month, she hinted about potentially severing ties with IDJ to Billboard, stating, "I can't say if we'll be working with them in the future. I don't know what the future holds between the two of us."
Executive produced by Jackson and her boyfriend, Island Urban president Jermaine Dupri, "Discipline" debuted at No. 1 on The Billboard 200 in March with 181,000 copies sold. But it has shifted only 415,000 copies in the United States so far, according to Nielsen SoundScan, and spent just 14 weeks on the chart.
Now, Jackson "will have autonomy over her career, without the restrictions of a label system," reads a statement from her team. "Always known to break new ground and set trends, Janet's departure from Island makes her one of the first superstar artists to have the individual freedom to promote their work through a variety of avenues such as iTunes, mobile carriers and other diverse and innovative channels."
Jackson is currently on the road with her first tour in seven years, "Rock Witchu," with support form LL Cool J and Donnie Klang. The Live Nation-promoted outing began Sept. 10 in Vancouver and runs through Oct. 22 in Dallas.
Moving forward, Jackson would seem to be a natural fit at Live Nation Artists, which is already home to Jay-Z, Nickelback and Shakira. A Live Nation spokesperson was unavailable for comment on the subject.
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Originally posted by dussymob
Did you just say Nickelback and Shakira are bigger than Janet Jackson!!!
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These days Nickelback and Shakira ARE bigger than Janet, unfortunately. Numbers don't lie. I can understand if Janet had released one bum album, but she's released 3 in a row and lost nearly all of her momentum in less than a decade's time.
By the way, thank you Eli for backing me up. I know Janet's tour has been getting good reviews but it hasn't had the attendance they were hoping for--that's what I meant by underwhelming. But from the YT clips you posted I think she's still bringing her A-game. Maybe Live Nation will take her up and help reform her career, who knows? But I think LN has already spent too much $ and is going to wait to recover some of that money before they sign anyone else.
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Originally posted by bobbymfw
I know Janet's tour has been getting good reviews but it hasn't had the attendance they were hoping for--that's what I meant by underwhelming.
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Did you not see my post at the top of the page? LN announced that the LA and Vegas shows were both sold out
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Originally posted by eli's_rhythm
Did you not see my post at the top of the page? LN announced that the LA and Vegas shows were both sold out
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I'm not surprised that they're sold out in the most populous US cities, but according to Rolling Stone magazine, her overall Rock Witchu tour ticket sales have been sluggish.
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Originally posted by bobbymfw
These days Nickelback and Shakira ARE bigger than Janet, unfortunately. Numbers don't lie. I can understand if Janet had released one bum album, but she's released 3 in a row and lost nearly all of her momentum in less than a decade's time.
By the way, thank you Eli for backing me up. I know Janet's tour has been getting good reviews but it hasn't had the attendance they were hoping for--that's what I meant by underwhelming. But from the YT clips you posted I think she's still bringing her A-game. Maybe Live Nation will take her up and help reform her career, who knows? But I think LN has already spent too much $ and is going to wait to recover some of that money before they sign anyone else.
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Um she didn't release three bum albums in a row. Damita Jo did very, very, very well and was not a commercial disappointment by any means, it just had no hit single becuase radio stopped supporting her, kinda like a backlisting.
Still it sold over 300K first week and certified platinum in less than two months in the USA.
"20 Y.O" was a disappointment in sales but had one minor hit.
"Discipline" marked her return to radio, and MTV as well as having her biggest hit in years. However the album had no hype, nor any major promotion. Therefore, it failed.
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I'm so glad she left those idiots. I hope she gets a label that supports her!
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Originally posted by Afterglow
Um she didn't release three bum albums in a row.
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You're in denial. Please get help immediately.
Damita Jo was received poorly by both fans and critics alike and she only sold 1 million of it because of the momentum behind her. She had maybe 3 decent tracks on it and the rest was smutty garbage, and stop blaming the radio or the labels for Janet's subpar material please.
I still buy Alanis Morissette albums even though no one else does, I'm not going to start blaming anyone else for her poor cd sales when I know the blame rests primarily with her. Don't follow Janet in such a blind faith that you can't discern good music from bad music please.
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Originally posted by bobbymfw
You're in denial. Please get help immediately.
Damita Jo was received poorly by both fans and critics alike and she only sold 1 million of it because of the momentum behind her. She had maybe 3 decent tracks on it and the rest was smutty garbage, and stop blaming the radio or the labels for Janet's subpar material please.
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I completely agree with this one, AFY was a big hit not to mention the publicity surrounding her at this time, so it was a no-brainer that Damita Jo was going to do well. The album was complete and utter trash, easily my least favorite of all of them, including the two pre- Control.
However, I wouldn't be so quick to place the blame on Janet for Discipline. The album is by no means a masterpiece but it's far better than her last two efforts, having about a half-dozen standout tracks as opposed to one or two. I think it would've been much better if she had written it and wasn't rushed into making it by IDJ. So, yeah, it all comes full-circle--when IDJ makes her do an album quickly, it comes out half-baked with poor single choices by IDJ and doesn't sell well, so it's really the label's fault.
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Billboard have released the list of Hot 100 All-Time Top Artists. Consisting of stats and chartings from all of Billboard's charts :
now we see who is a legend and who is not a legend.
1 The Beatles
2 Madonna
3 Elton John
4 Elvis Presley
5 Stevie Wonder
6 Mariah Carey
7 Janet Jackson
8 Michael Jackson
9 Whitney Houston
10 The Rolling Stones
11 Paul McCartney/Wings
12 Bee Gees
13 Chicago
14 The Supremes
15 Daryl Hall & John Oates
16 Prince
17 Rod Stewart
18 Olivia Newton-John
19 Aretha Franklin
20 Marvin Gaye
21 Usher
22 Phil Collins
23 Billy Joel
24 Donna Summer
25 Diana Ross
26 Frankie Valli & The 4 Seasons
27 The Temptations
28 The Beach Boys
29 Lionel Richie
30 Neil Diamond
31 Carpenters
32 Boyz II Men
33 The Jackson 5/The Jacksons
34 Connie Francis
35 Brenda Lee
36 Barbra Streisand
37 Kenny Rogers
38 Bryan Adams
39 Cher
40 George Michael
41 Bobby Vinton
42 John Mellencamp
43 Three Dog Night
44 Huey Lewis & The News
45 Gloria Estefan/Miami Sound Machine
46 Bon Jovi
47 Ray Charles
48 Chubby Checker
49 Foreigner
50 Kool & The Gang
51 Ricky Nelson
52 Duran Duran
53 Commodores
54 Eagles
55 Paul Anka
56 TLC
57 Barry Manilow
58 Dionne Warwick
59 Gladys Knight & The Pips
60 Heart
61 The Everly Brothers
62 R. Kelly
63 Bobby Darin
64 James Brown
65 Paula Abdul
66 Richard Marx
67 Jefferson Airplane/Jefferson Starship/Starship
68 Destiny's Child
69 Linda Ronstadt
70 Celine Dion
71 Smokey Robinson & The Miracles
72 Bob Seger & The Silver Bullet Band
73 Fleetwood Mac
74 Bruce Springsteen
75 The Pointer Sisters
76 John Denver
77 Four Tops
78 Tony Orlando & Dawn
79 The 5th Dimension
80 Alicia Keys
81 Captain & Tennille
82 Andy Gibb
83 Air Supply
84 Nelly
85 Roy Orbison
86 The Spinners
87 Queen
88 50 Cent
89 Dion
90 Aerosmith
91 Billy Ocean
92 Tommy James
93 Earth, Wind & Fire
94 Brook Benton
95 Michael Bolton
96 Styx
97 Toni Braxton
98 Neil Sedaka
99 Herman's Hermits
100 Simon & Garfunkel
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