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Discussion: Do black artists have equal opportunity?
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Well Rihanna dethroned Madonna as the Queen of Pop, so yes.
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Of course they do, Beyoncé and Rihanna are just two examples and they're doing well for themselves. Kanye, Jay-Z, Drake, Lil Wayne and countless others are also successful. Look at history and think of the countless famous black artists - Whitney, Michael, Janet, Stevie, Aretha, Tina. All legends and all black. Now don't get me wrong, I'm sure there are are many racist and discriminatory people in the industry (just like there is in most walks of life) but lots of black artists are treated equal and do get their music heard. As for pop selling more than urban, that's just because pop is currently the type of music that the GP likes best, it's nothing to do with racism. You could just as easily say that rock music or classical musical isn't as popular as pop and that has nothing to do with racism.
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I don't think they're equal but I think they are a lot closer to equality than a lot of other professions. Black people have always been a huge part of pop music since it's earliest days. That's not to say that they have been treated equally behind-the-scenes, but as far as the public accepting their work, if they're talented then there really isn't racism against their work. (It should be said though that I think it's much easier to be a talentless popstar if you're white).
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Nope. The buying audience is unfortunately dominated by white people and they tend to go for their own.
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No. The biggest issue is lack of exposure. A black person with a R&B or rap song is not going to get major airplay unless they are already popular and/or have a white artist on the song. But artists such as JT and Eminem get airplay with their R&B and rap songs because thy are white. Less exposure leads to smaller audiences and less sales.
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Originally posted by Rihhyonce
No.
That's what the J. Cole line in the OP is referring to.
Adele, Eminem, Justin Timberlake, are all making music whose genre is dominated by black artists, but because they have "crossover appeal" (i.e. they're white), they are making the big bucks.
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but I find this argument so narrow minded. Like no where is their a law saying that those types of music are for black artists only. And let's not even bring Adele into the convo. No one expected 21 to have that level of success. Plus for eminem there's even several more black rappers who are just as good as him. Sure eminem might have the sales to his name, but people like Lil Wayne, Kanye, Jayz, Drake, etc. who are out there having just as much success as he is right now.
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Originally posted by swissman
I don't think they're equal but I think they are a lot closer to equality than a lot of other professions. Black people have always been a huge part of pop music since it's earliest days. That's not to say that they have been treated equally behind-the-scenes, but as far as the public accepting their work, if they're talented then there really isn't racism against their work. (It should be said though that I think it's much easier to be a talentless popstar if you're white).
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Than how are they equally as accepted by the public? 
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Originally posted by BrittRihanna134
No. The biggest issue is lack of exposure. A black person with a R&B or rap song is not going to get major airplay unless they are already popular and/or have a white artist on the song. But artists such as JT and Eminem get airplay with their R&B and rap songs because thy are white. Less exposure leads to smaller audiences and less sales.
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disagree. Have you seen JT and Em's recent song history on radio? Berserk, TBTN, all underperformed where as songs like Just Hold On Were Going Home is a multi format smash. Other songs like We Belong Together, Be Without You, Irreplaceable, etc. still hold AI records for being some on the most played songs on radio. If anything they have an advantage.
Pop is much more likely to play a black artists song, than urban/r&b playing a white artists song.
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Originally posted by Luke Brooks
Miley is urban and kinda black and she sells her songs like hot cakes, so failed logic
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what the f*** is wrong with you
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no look at the iggy and azealia situation iggy clearly being promoted and getting deals because of these sellout black men i.e; T.I flocking to her because of her skin color and my poor bb having to fend for herself yet still slaying the game  relying on pure talent
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Originally posted by Javan
Than how are they equally as accepted by the public? |
My first sentence started with the words, " I don't think they're equal.".
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Originally posted by FatShady
No but thats because a lot of black people are talented and very few white people are naturally gifted musically.
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You sound so dumb.
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Originally posted by shinjiikari
no look at the iggy and azealia situation iggy clearly being promoted and getting deals because of these sellout black men i.e; T.I flocking to her because of her skin color and my poor bb having to fend for herself yet still slaying the game relying on pure talent |
none of them have honestly really had any level of success. Just yet. I wouldn't bring them into it. Nicki still reigns supreme on that.
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Originally posted by shinjiikari
no look at the iggy and azealia situation iggy clearly being promoted and getting deals because of these sellout black men i.e; T.I flocking to her because of her skin color and my poor bb having to fend for herself yet still slaying the game relying on pure talent |
You may have a point if Azalea didn't have such a bad attitude overall and I think that people don't generally flock to people with this characteristic.
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Originally posted by Bdawg
but I find this argument so narrow minded. Like no where is their a law saying that those types of music are for black artists only. And let's not even bring Adele into the convo. No one expected 21 to have that level of success. Plus for eminem there's even several more black rappers who are just as good as him. Sure eminem might have the sales to his name, but people like Lil Wayne, Kanye, Jayz, Drake, etc. who are out there having just as much success as he is right now.
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I have absolutely no issue with white artists making "black" music. I just feel like it's still harder for a black artist to be as successful as their white peers, even in 2013 (although I do agree with swissman that the music industry is a lot more equal than other fields). And I think it's very fishy that Adele and Justin Timberlake are cited for bringing "real music" back when there are artists like Jill Scott and R. Kelly who have been making the same kind of music for years.
I dunno, I can't be mad at Adele or Eminem or JT for making their money. That's great for them. It just kinda sucks for black artists. But this is nothing new. Artists like James Brown and Little Richard had a hand in creating like six different genres of music, but I have to hear about Elvis and the Beatles every day...
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Originally posted by Bdawg
disagree. Have you seen JT and Em's recent song history on radio? Berserk, TBTN, all underperformed where as songs like Just Hold On Were Going Home is a multi format smash. Other songs like We Belong Together, Be Without You, Irreplaceable, etc. still hold AI records for being some on the most played songs on radio. If anything they have an advantage.
Pop is much more likely to play a black artists song, than urban/r&b playing a white artists song.
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All the songs you mentioned are by artists who were well established. Singers like Fantasia Elle Varner heck even Ciara get hardly if any play on major stations. Also on the R&B/ rap station in my area they play these type of artists plus JT and Eminem since they are R&B rap.
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Originally posted by shinjiikari
no look at the iggy and azealia situation iggy clearly being promoted and getting deals because of these sellout black men i.e; T.I flocking to her because of her skin color and my poor bb having to fend for herself yet still slaying the game relying on pure talent |
iggy's success is moderate right now though, and the industry definitely didn't embrace her with open arms right off the bat
azealia's lack of success is completely her fault, she has no one to blame but herself and her horrid attitude and work ethic
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Black artist are selling better than white artist though.
Album wise at least. Whites can have them quick little singles.
I say blacks are at an advantage they can EASILY crossover to pop whereas whites have a harder time crossing over to urban outlets.
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Lets not make everything about race. It has more to do with pop being POPULAR.
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Originally posted by Cyclops
gurl... do u want a hit thread or why are u going in that direction?
i mean
then the question should be why is it that more people like pop than urban.
it has nothing to do with race at all, as if every urban artist was black.
I know everyone knows but just let me mention a few of the biggest names in the industry: Michael Jackson, Whitney Houston, Beyonce and many others.
Being black didn't stop them from being successful. Talent is talent, and it has nothing to do with the color of your skin.
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They have UNDENIABLE talent. you cant ignore MJ, Whitney or Bey, you just cant.
Would a black Katy Perry be successful?
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