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Chart Listings: New Formula Theory... FIXED (Thanks Dust2!)
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Originally posted by ToxDuris
You guys acting like this is gonna messed up everything, streaming is only 20% and YouTube views are just a part of that 20%. Harlem Shake went straight to #1 because it had a solid week of digital sales and a historic YouTube traffic, actually that's the reason why Billboard decided to launch the new rule this week, if the video is not extremely massive like HS, or gets 20 million views in 3 days like Stay, then it's not gonna do much damage.
And personally, I found that it was a change that needed to happen, I think the majority of the times, Youtube traffic of a song is way more representative than radio airplay with their radio deals/payola, and I think the % that they gave it it's also fair.
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You do realize that any video that's released on iTunes, Amazon, Rhapsody, and elsewhere could get a top 10 debut if the video gets enough views? If The Loney Island's YOLO video got Stay's views within three days, they would probably have a top 10/20 debut, even though they had like 10,000 sales for an entire week and it dropped out of the iTunes charts right after
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Originally posted by Brando
2 billion points for #1... with more than 1 billion gap between #1 and #2? Hmm.. I don't think so.
I think #1 & #2 would be pretty close together despite the massive YT advantage for HS. TS got radio and more sales. There's no way HS outcharts it more than 2:1.
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Nope, Billboard confirmed that HS had 3.5x the points TS had.
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Originally posted by Genocide
You do realize that any video that's released on iTunes, Amazon, Rhapsody, and elsewhere could get a top 10 debut if the video gets enough views? If The Loney Island's YOLO video got Stay's views within three days, they would probably have a top 10/20 debut, even though they had like 10,000 sales for an entire week and it dropped out of the iTunes charts right after
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You don't know what you're talking about. Rihanna got only 70.000 points from streaming and that's not all from youtube. It includes on demand streaming too.
Let's assume she got 65.000 from youtube. Look at the no10 song. It has more than 300k points. Even if you get Rihanna;s massive views, which is VERY difficult, you cannot get a top20.
Plus, if you get so many views there's no way your sales are going to be zero., The effect on the chart is not that huge. Streaming doesn't even count for 20-25%. It's just Harlem Shake that has made you all freak out. Harlem shake type of events happen rarely...
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Originally posted by Brando
2 billion points for #1... with more than 1 billion gap between #1 and #2? Hmm.. I don't think so.
I think #1 & #2 would be pretty close together despite the massive YT advantage for HS. TS got radio and more sales. There's no way HS outcharts it more than 2:1.
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Billboard confirmed that Harlem Shake had like 3 1/2 times Thrift Shop's points. Those 103,000,000 views on YT are a massive amount of points.
BB also said that HS would've only been #15 without the addition of YT views.
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Originally posted by MusicTalker
Billboard confirmed that Harlem Shake had like 3 1/2 times Thrift Shop's points. Those 103,000,000 views on YT are a massive amount of points.
BB also said that HS would've only been #15 without the addition of YT views.
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Right. Not only did YouTube push the song from 15 to 1, but it did that with a lead of 3.5x the amount of points.
Clearly for HS, streaming takes up a HUGE percentage, far more than 20%. Which is pretty ridiculous, considering it's only 30 seconds of the song, but I digress.
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Originally posted by Deny
I will agree if they did the change before Gangnam Style.
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If memory serves correctly, there was talk of adding Youtube views in around the time of GS because of how big it was, but they weren't sure how to add it in at that point in time. I think it took them a few months to work in the formula. Which makes sense, when you're using a formula, you can't always just implement it overnight. (They don't have to tell us about it till the night before though), but with things like the BB200, they can make changes easy because its a simple chart method. Sales and sales only. So that random last minute change of including Walmart only albums that blocked Britney from #1 was easy to do. They already had the sales data, they just weren't including it at the time.
This was a little more tricky. They had to figure out the perfect ratio to make it fair and balanced (at least by their standards) before just throwing it in there. Which they probably implemented a few different methods into each week since the idea came about before making an official change.
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Originally posted by Doc
Right. Not only did YouTube push the song from 15 to 1, but it did that with a lead of 3.5x the amount of points.
Clearly for HS, streaming takes up a HUGE percentage, far more than 20%. Which is pretty ridiculous, considering it's only 30 seconds of the song, but I digress.
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That's why I think the formula in the OP is close to accurate. Will be tweaked these next few weeks but it worked perfectly for this particular week.
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Wait, why are we trying to come up with a new formula. Isn't the formula exactly the same except with Youtuve added into streaming?
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1 Harlem Shake 262000 + 2000 + 2060000 = 2324000
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****ing insane.
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Originally posted by rawwritsmikey
Wait, why are we trying to come up with a new formula. Isn't the formula exactly the same except with Youtuve added into streaming?
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Before the change today, airplay #s were inflated by approx. 1.6. Now, they either decreased the amount of inflation or the #s or no longer inflated at all.
And the formula for digital & YT streams in the OP is correct & confirmed by Billboard (they confirmed Baauer got 2 million points from his 103,000,000 views). All I need to figure out is airplay.
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Viral hits aren't really that rare. The two most prominent from last year (CMM, GS) would have easily ruled the chart for half a year+ with this formula. A song wouldn't even have to be 1/3 as big on Youtube as HS to mercilessly dominate the #1 spot on streaming points alone right now.
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Originally posted by Witness
Viral hits aren't really that rare. The two most prominent from last year (CMM, GS) would have easily ruled the chart for half a year+ with this formula. A song wouldn't even have to be 1/3 as big on Youtube as HS to mercilessly dominate the #1 spot on streaming points alone right now.
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I wonder how long HS will hold the top spot - less than CMM would have with this formula, considering its nonexistent radio play, but maybe for a very long time regardless.
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Someone posted this on another forum.....is this legit? It looks like the HS/TS ratio is exactly 3.5, but does it work for other songs?
Harlem Shake:
Streaming 103 million /325 = 316,923
Radio 2 million /7500 = 267
OD 309k /125 = 2,472
Sales 262k /12 = 21,833
Harlem Shake total = 341,495
Thrift Shop:
Streaming 10.1 million/325 = 31,077
Radio 111 million/7500 = 14,800
OD 2 million/125 = 16,000
Sales 412k/12 = 34,333
Thrift Shop total = 96,210
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They are making funny of this rule on TMZ (TV show).
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Originally posted by tle2000
Someone posted this on another forum.....is this legit? It looks like the HS/TS ratio is exactly 3.5, but does it work for other songs?
Harlem Shake:
Streaming 103 million /325 = 316,923
Radio 2 million /7500 = 267
OD 309k /125 = 2,472
Sales 262k /12 = 21,833
Harlem Shake total = 341,495
Thrift Shop:
Streaming 10.1 million/325 = 31,077
Radio 111 million/7500 = 14,800
OD 2 million/125 = 16,000
Sales 412k/12 = 34,333
Thrift Shop total = 96,210
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What is OD?
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Originally posted by MusicTalker
What is OD?
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On-Demand.
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Did Billboard reveal any of the on-demand #s this week? If I have them I can check to see if it works for the entire Top 10.
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Sales + (Airplay/625) + (Total Streaming/37.5)
1 Harlem Shake 262000 + 3000 + 2747000 = 3012000
2 Thrift Shop 412000 + 179000 + 269000 = 860000
3 Stay 306000 + 40000 + 104000 = 450000
4 Scream & Shout 158000 + 158000 + 128000 = 444000
5 I Knew You Were Trouble 149000 + 219000 + 75000 = 443000
6 Ho Hey
7 Locked Out of Heaven
8 When I Was Your Man 217000 + 88000 + 69000 = 374000
9 Suit & Tie 201000 + 117000 + 53000 = 371000
10 Started from the Bottom 168000 + 48000 + 147000 = 363000
Remember, BB confirmed HS had like 3.5 as many points as TS, which is a humungous hit in its own right with huge airplay, sales & streaming.
Credit to Dust2 for figuring this out!
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