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ATRL: Has Britney's Artistic Merit Gradually Declined?
Member Since: 3/15/2011
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Originally posted by Vin
The same argument, though? Because Britney Spears doesn't write her
songs, she has no artistic merit? Let's be a little more creative, ya'll.
...Vin
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Tour - Album - Music - Choreography
Look at her tour DVD this year. She looks so disconnected, she says exactly the same thing in every show, she keeps her distance from fans and the whoel thing lip synced.
Where is the artistic merit in that? Honestly.
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ATRL Moderator
Member Since: 11/1/2010
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She's still involved, just not as much. I don't give damn who does what as long as the output is good.
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Member Since: 6/17/2011
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Originally posted by Gui Blackout
Indeed, but she still made millions with it.
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So you agree, her latest tour was her most criticized.
The OP must be on to something.
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Member Since: 9/18/2011
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ARTISTIC merit?
Yep, I checked. 28th has come and gone already, stop jocking.
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Member Since: 6/24/2011
Posts: 3,599
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Originally posted by Duca
POPJUSTICE: Do you lead or follow? How do you define success now? For example, with the dubstep breakdown in ‘Hold It Against Me,’ it was something that a global pop performer hadn’t yet done, and it felt like an instance of you pushing things a bit... but I wasn’t sure if that was you who were doing that pushing.
BRITNEY: I definitely lead. I love to strive to do things differently. I feel my world is different, even from other people who lead. I define success now just by feeling accomplished in what I’ve done, you know? In the art that we’ve done. That’s part of why I love what I do - being in this industry because you can, you know, do so many different things and that makes you who you are. At this point in my career, I am making the music that I enjoy and the music I know my fans will love. 'Hold It Against Me?' I had a definite idea in my head for the sound and direction and I think we nailed it. As time goes by, I tend to want to outdo myself, which, I guess, is a good thing.
ROLLING STONE: How has your involvement in the record-making process changed over the years? You hear traces of some real cutting-edge dance music on the album – for instance, the dubstep break on “Hold It Against Me." How do you find new sounds?
BRITNEY: Because my music - especially my live stuff - is very showy, a lot of people don't respect it as art. Because I'm soft-spoken and nice to people, they go ahead and assume things. But everything I have ever done - even my movie - I helped to write. I have always been heavily involved in every album I have ever made. I'm very stubborn when it comes to recording and will only record songs I love. I have to feel connected before I record and the song has to spark something inside me. Very few songs do that. I guess it's a good process because I love all of my music. I know there are a lot of artists that hate songs they recorded. I don’t feel that way. I wanted to make a fresh-sounding album for the clubs or something that you play in your car when you're going out at night that gets you excited but I wanted it to sound different from everything else out right now. I also wanted to experiment with all the different types of music I love which is why you hear a mixture of pop, hip-hop and dance throughout the album. I also really wanted to play with my voice and change up my sound here and there which was really fun. I listen to a lot of different music from all over the world and I guess I just gravitate towards what sounds fresh and what makes me want to move. I really didn’t want to record anything on this album that could be mistaken for anyone else out there. I think “Hold It Against Me” sounds completely different from anything else and I think when my fans hear the rest of "Femme Fatale" they'll see how fresh every song is.
You tried.
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basically this
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Member Since: 4/17/2011
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Declined?
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Member Since: 3/9/2011
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Just stop. Just because she used to be limited from her label doesn't mean she decline's in her artistic ability. It will always be there. It's whether or not she gets to show it without someone else scrapping her work. And since she hasn't signed a contract yet with a label, she probably wont be limited anymore when she choose which ever label she decides to go with.
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Member Since: 3/21/2010
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Originally posted by JeremyALD
Tour - Album - Music - Choreography
Look at her tour DVD this year. She looks so disconnected, she says exactly the same thing in every show, she keeps her distance from fans and the whoel thing lip synced.
Where is the artistic merit in that? Honestly.
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well she does say different stuff in some concerts. But what she says in concert says nothing about Artistic Merit. It just means she sticks to the Setlist. There's nothing wrong with that. Madonna does that. Even Janet. Let's not on the fan connection. The lap dance... The IWG dancing... She has fan connection.
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Member Since: 10/24/2010
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There was some interview the past year where someone said Britney didn't put her name on some of the songs from Femme Fatale or something? idk I forget.
Britney's always involved in everything she does. What kind of artist isn't? It may not show, but she clearly is.
And who tried it with the Circus tour? The final result was not what was BRITNEY'S original idea.
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Member Since: 3/30/2009
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Originally posted by Bdawg
that's completely false. The first song recorded for the album was Trouble For Me. Some fake BH "exclusive" from some Stan made that up months ago. If the album was all supposed to be mid tempos and such, TFM would've never been recorded.
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Nope. She recorded 'I Wanna Go,' 'Criminal,' and 'Up N' Down' in summer 2009 in Sweden, at the same time as '3.'
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Member Since: 10/24/2010
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Originally posted by Duca
Nope. She recorded 'I Wanna Go,' 'Criminal,' and 'Up N' Down' in summer 2009 in Sweden, at the same time as '3.'
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I always thought the 7th album was going to be originally released in fall 2010 with it sounding more like the bonus tracks from Femme Fatale. That's just me though.
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Member Since: 5/25/2010
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Quote:
Originally posted by JeremyALD
Tour - Album - Music - Choreography
Look at her tour DVD this year. She looks so disconnected, she says exactly the same thing in every show, she keeps her distance from fans and the whoel thing lip synced.
Where is the artistic merit in that? Honestly.
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Yes, so you've established that she lipsyncs and doesn't
write her own songs. Groundbreaking statements.
...Vin
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Member Since: 6/9/2011
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Originally posted by Haus
I think her label is limiting her. She wrote a lot of songs after Blackout but they were basically all rejected. Femme Fatale was supposed to have songs like Criminal (slower, more soft-rockish) but then they scrapped it and threw Dr. Luke in to redo it. It's pretty obvious that she isn't a big fan of the dance music anymore (she said one of her favorite songs off FF was Criminal or HATLM or something). I'm sure if they let her do what she wanted with her music she would be a lot more into it.
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Basically this.
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Member Since: 3/30/2009
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Originally posted by waryofothers
There was some interview the past year where someone said Britney didn't put her name on some of the songs from Femme Fatale or something? idk I forget.
Britney's always involved in everything she does. What kind of artist isn't? It may not show, but she clearly is.
And who tried it with the Circus tour? The final result was not what was BRITNEY'S original idea.
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Heather Bright:
"I would just like to address one thing. The media is talking trash about how Britney didn't write any of the songs on her album… Hello! Wake up everybody! NONE OF THESE ARTISTS WRITE THEIR OWN SONGS! Anyway… here's my thing… and I feel VERY passionate about this issue. Britney could have come to me, like all these other A-list artists, and said…
"Hey, you wanna be on my album? I'm gonna need writing credit for that song AND part of your publishing even though I didn't write anything! And then I'm gonna go on tour and gross $150 million in ticket sales and not give you any of that, even though I'm performing your song!"
I could rattle off a laundry list of artists who I've had that conversation with. And I'm on the other end like… "Oh okay… so you wanna rape me, but just with the tip?!" *Prince side eye* Britney's one of the few artists I've worked with who didn't try to take something that wasn't hers. In my experience, from a business standpoint, her entire team is nothing less than a bonafide class act!"
That's a real artist.
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Member Since: 3/15/2011
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Originally posted by Bdawg
well she does say different stuff in some concerts. But what she says in concert says nothing about Artistic Merit. It just means she sticks to the Setlist. There's nothing wrong with that. Madonna does that. Even Janet. Let's not on the fan connection. The lap dance... The IWG dancing... She has fan connection.
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Yes but if she had so much influence on the tour, you think she would look a little bit more into the whole thing don't you? I could show you the tour DVD, it is obvious in some bits she doesn't look quite there or happy with the product.
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Member Since: 3/15/2011
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Originally posted by Duca
Heather Bright:
"I would just like to address one thing. The media is talking trash about how Britney didn't write any of the songs on her album… Hello! Wake up everybody! NONE OF THESE ARTISTS WRITE THEIR OWN SONGS! Anyway… here's my thing… and I feel VERY passionate about this issue. Britney could have come to me, like all these other A-list artists, and said…
"Hey, you wanna be on my album? I'm gonna need writing credit for that song AND part of your publishing even though I didn't write anything! And then I'm gonna go on tour and gross $150 million in ticket sales and not give you any of that, even though I'm performing your song!"
I could rattle off a laundry list of artists who I've had that conversation with. And I'm on the other end like… "Oh okay… so you wanna rape me, but just with the tip?!" *Prince side eye* Britney's one of the few artists I've worked with who didn't try to take something that wasn't hers. In my experience, from a business standpoint, her entire team is nothing less than a bonafide class act!"
That's a real artist.
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So she has artistic merit because she doesn't steal writing credits?
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ATRL Moderator
Member Since: 11/1/2010
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Why are you guys buying into this?
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Originally posted by JeremyALD
So she has artistic merit because she doesn't steal writing credits?
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What an excellent 1,000th post.
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Member Since: 6/9/2011
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Originally posted by JeremyALD
So she has artistic merit because she doesn't steal writing credits?
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She's involved in everything she does and has been since day one of her career. She's created the concept to most of her videos and most recently created the concept to 'Criminal'
what the hell are you even on about?
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Member Since: 3/15/2011
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Quote:
Originally posted by Vin
Yes, so you've established that she lipsyncs and doesn't
write her own songs. Groundbreaking statements.
...Vin
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She has no influence on her marketing, choreography or tour. She basically has no influence on her entire career (at the moment).
How can you realistically argue that shows strong artistic merit?
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Member Since: 3/15/2011
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Originally posted by Katie
Why are you guys buying into this?
What an excellent 1,000th post.
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That was 1001, thank you.
1000 was saved for the Stronger thread
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