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Discussion: Producers getting feature credits.
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On a shallow note, it looks really ugly to drag the title down like that.
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"We Found Love" was written and produced by Calvin, but it's on Rihanna's album. And the song wouldn't have even hit the top 40 in America if Rihanna wasn't singing it. Yes, Calvin is an artist as well, but he gave the song to Rihanna. What about the pop stars in the 80s and 90s that didn't write or produce a single note of their music, yet their producers (even the extremely famous ones) weren't credited on the song?
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When people here are saying that they are artists themselves, I don't think they're suggesting that what Dr. Luke and co. do isn't art. But, people like Calvin Harris and David Guetta literally release commercial music under their name, and expect the same recognition from a collaboration that any other commercial artist would receive.
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Originally posted by ManDown
"We Found Love" was written and produced by Calvin, but it's on Rihanna's album. And the song wouldn't have even hit the top 40 in America if Rihanna wasn't singing it. Yes, Calvin is an artist as well, but he gave the song to Rihanna. What about the pop stars in the 80s and 90s that didn't write or produce a single note of their music, yet their producers (even the extremely famous ones) weren't credited on the song?
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He's on the credits because Rihanna wanted a easy no,1 in the uk
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Originally posted by RatedG²
They should get credit if they are actual artists too and not solely producers.
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But by that logic, every artist that produces music on the side would be receiving feature credits, even if they don't utter a single word on the song.
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If I was a producer, I'd love it, so I don't mind it occasionally. If Gaga ever did that though... Hahaha.
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Originally posted by MonsterRoco
He's on the credits because Rihanna wanted a easy no,1 in the uk
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And he wanted a hit in America and other countries.
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Originally posted by ManDown
"We Found Love" was written and produced by Calvin, but it's on Rihanna's album. And the song wouldn't have even hit the top 40 in America if Rihanna wasn't singing it. Yes, Calvin is an artist as well, but he gave the song to Rihanna. What about the pop stars in the 80s and 90s that didn't write or produce a single note of their music, yet their producers (even the extremely famous ones) weren't credited on the song?
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How many 80's and 90's producers have their own albums? Calvin does, he's an artist by his own right.
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I would understand it more if Where Have You Been was a (feat. Calvin Harris) too. But since it's only WFL they did that with, it seems to me like Calvin's U.S. team is trying to spark his U.S. recording career.
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Originally posted by ManDown
But by that logic, every artist that produces music on the side would be receiving feature credits, even if they don't utter a single word on the song.
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Hmm...well it depends on how much they add to the song.
For Calvin Harris, he wrote AND produced the song, so obvious credit should be given to him unless he gave the song to Rihanna completely. If he like loaned her the song with some credit to him (which I think he did) then he should get credit, but if he gave it away he shouldn't get anything.
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Originally posted by RobynYoBank
When people here are saying that they are artists themselves, I don't think they're suggesting that what Dr. Luke and co. do isn't art. But, people like Calvin Harris and David Guetta literally release commercial music under their name, and expect the same recognition from a collaboration that any other commercial artist would receive.
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It's not like will.i.am (in producer mode) asks for credit on every single thing he produces; he only gets featured on the stuff he puts vocals on. Otherwise, he is just a producer.
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Originally posted by RobynYoBank
When people here are saying that they are artists themselves, I don't think they're suggesting that what Dr. Luke and co. do isn't art. But, people like Calvin Harris and David Guetta literally release commercial music under their name, and expect the same recognition from a collaboration that any other commercial artist would receive.
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What about songwriting? If Kesha writes a song for someone, should she get a feature?
Sorry, just don't really understand this. I've always been under the impression that it's only a feature if you're an additional vocalist (more than just backing vocals).
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Originally posted by GRADUAT10N
I would understand it more if Where Have You Been was a (feat. Calvin Harris) too. But since it's only WFL they did that with, it seems to me like Calvin's U.S. team is trying to spark his U.S. recording career.
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Calvin Harris produced Where Have You Been? Then he seems like he is riding on Rihanna's hype in the US
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Originally posted by RobynYoBank
people like Calvin Harris and David Guetta
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... create their own albums.
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Originally posted by GRADUAT10N
I would understand it more if Where Have You Been was a (feat. Calvin Harris) too. But since it's only WFL they did that with, it seems to me like Calvin's U.S. team is trying to spark his U.S. recording career.
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Well he produced it along with Dr. Luke & Cirkut and had other co-writers unlike We Found Love which was his work completely.
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What confuses me are the times when a producer takes the song for their own, and then other times is on labeled as a featured artist. Like what is the difference between these songs?:
David Guetta f/ Kelly Rowland - When Love Takes Over
Kelly Rowland f/ David Guetta - Commander
Flo Rida f/ David Guetta - Club Can't Handle Me
David Guetta f/ Flo Rida & Nicki Minaj - Where Them Girls At
Both songs feature Kelly and both songs feature Flo Rida. I just find it to be confusing and rather just based on semantics...
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Originally posted by ManDown
Yes. It's really ****ing stupid. If every producer requests a feature credit now, then all of our favorite artists will look like idiots on Billboard and in the record books.
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SAY that!
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OBVIOUSLY people in this thread can't tell the difference between a ARTIST/PRODUCER and a PRODUCER.
Calvin Harris & Afrojack & deadmau5 & David G ALL RELEASE THEIR OWN MUSIC. THEY'RE SIGNED AS ARTISTS TO THEIR LABELS.
Red One is a in house PRODUCER.
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Originally posted by crazyinlovejr
What confuses me are the times when a producer takes the song for their own, and then other times is on labeled as a featured artist. Like what is the difference between these songs?:
David Guetta f/ Kelly Rowland - When Love Takes Over
Kelly Rowland f/ David Guetta - Commander
Flo Rida f/ David Guetta - Club Can't Handle Me
David Guetta f/ Flo Rida & Nicki Minaj - Where Them Girls At
Both songs feature Kelly and both songs feature Flo Rida. I just find it to be confusing and rather just based on semantics...
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Me too...that's confusing
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If Dr Luke did an album himself, he would get (ft Dr Luke) on songs he did afterwards.
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