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Discussion: Can we talk about this? (The Trinity)
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Originally posted by ifyouseekLEM
Very true. RTW rebounded strong last night from a 2 minute music video preview.....people who say promotion doesn't matter are naive.
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FF is the first Britney album I liked the majority of.
And shes basically thrown that all away because of her fear of promoting.
Its quite sad to be honest.
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But being dark for the sake of being dark is stupid. Rihanna is obviously NOT this dark, edgy girl (look at her in 2005) and to see her try to be emotional and non-commercial...it's laughable.
And people have always looked down on pop stars and even more so on pop stars who try to be something they're not.
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Member Since: 8/22/2009
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Originally posted by Haus Of Navin
Gaga is doing decently but her album is too "out there" to be as big as a smash as her debut to be honest. I honestly cant even picture the publics reactions to her future singles and to be honest I dont really want to.
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I think she shell shocked her fans when they heard the album and realized there isnt even one pop song on it. Everything can be considered rock or alternative which is a turn off for the 'casual fans'. I think there are some stand outs, but these children arent going to give her the time of day unless they hear something generic and radio friendly. We have to face one fact that we all ignore, 'stans' are not enough, they ALL need 'casual buyers' to survive. And the amount of people who bought Single Ladies, Poker Face, and Womanizer (since its her closest to 4 million) are not the same amount of people who are buying the new songs.
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Member Since: 9/23/2009
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Originally posted by ashuduff
But being dark for the sake of being dark is stupid. Rihanna is obviously NOT this dark, edgy girl (look at her in 2005) and to see her try to be emotional and non-commercial...it's laughable.
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Rihanna wasn't that dark, edgy girl in 2005 because Chris didn't pound her head into two until 09. I thought Rated R was very natural given everything she went through.
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Originally posted by ifyouseekLEM
This era is VERY out of character for Beyonce. Openly cussing, baring her chest....it might be putting people off. Same for Lady GaGa, the general public is like 100 million Nicole's begging for 'The Fame' GaGa back.....and as for Britney, her mental stability keeps getting thrown into question. Everyone is just not themselves tonight.
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Your right because all I see on the RTW video is comments like "This isn't Beyonce" and "We want the old Beyonce" and I'm just like what? Same for Gaga. i will admit I wanted The Fame Gaga back but after listening to born this way minus the everything released before. It's amazing and it shows huge growth on her part. Beyonce & Gaga are really going through the same thing it's just Beyonce is suffering a little more due to the fact that instead of trying to change dance pop she tried to change and went a whole different genre of music all together. Britney just needs to perform on one award show. I'm sure she can rebound.
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Member Since: 9/23/2009
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Originally posted by Haus Of Navin
FF is the first Britney album I liked the majority of.
And shes basically thrown that all away because of her fear of promoting.
Its quite sad to be honest.
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Yeah it really is tbh....and don't get me wrong, Britney did promote a bit by doing magazines, etc...but promotion was too far in between eachother and the exposure was weak.
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Member Since: 9/23/2009
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Originally posted by iBeyoncé.
Your right because all I see on the RTW video is comments like "This isn't Beyonce" and "We want the old Beyonce" and I'm just like what? Same for Gaga. i will admit I wanted The Fame Gaga back but after listening to born this way minus the everything released before. It's amazing and it shows huge growth on her part. Beyonce & Gaga are really going through the same thing it's just Beyonce is suffering a little more due to the fact that instead of trying to change dance pop she tried to change and went a whole different genre of music all together. Britney just needs to perform on one award show. I'm sure she can rebound.
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I totally agree boo.
Honestly, the general public is ALWAYS late when it comes to things....the music we stan for today is often what the general public will catch onto in 5 years.
It only means that we have a good feel music and what's next.
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Member Since: 10/5/2006
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Originally posted by ifyouseekLEM
Rihanna wasn't that dark, edgy girl in 2005 because Chris didn't pound her head into two until 09. I thought Rated R was very natural given everything she went through.
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To you it may have seemed natural, but to everybody else it was a hilarious attempt by a pop star to be edgy.
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Member Since: 8/22/2009
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Originally posted by ifyouseekLEM
Britney comes out with Hold It Against Me -- the first American artist to really take on dubstep and release it into top 40 radio....the single falls like a rock and doesn't self-sustain. Britney releases Till the World Ends, a fun and catchy yet generic song -- and it's her biggest radio hit of all-time.
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Which I find to be a hot mess, how the hell is 'Till The World Ends her biggest radio hit to date? And what makes it worse is that Ke$ha wrote it, meaning it was written specifically to be a radio hit and it happened.
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Beyonce tries something new with Run the World, mixing club beats and traditional African influences with a universal female empowerment concept yet the single has a tough time taking off. Beyonce's most commercial, safer and pop-ish album, IA...SF takes off -- Single Ladies is a MAJOR hit.
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Another mess, 'Single Ladies' has nothing on 'Run The World' as a song, video, or piece of music.
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Lady GaGa's most radio friendly hit Born This Way finds massive success, but the quasi radio friendly, yet the dark grunge pop single Judas fails to make any major impact.
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The gays ate Born This Way up because American is very gay friendly at the moment with all the recent suicides due to bullying and etc... however, after listening and deciphering Judas it has mades its way into my soul. The theme and message behind that song ***** on everything else found on the Hot 100 at the moment in my honest opinion. She used Judas as a metaphor for all the 'wordly' things that are keeping us from worshipping Jesus 100% and I found that to be genius.
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Why is it that the general public keeps clinging to basic pop tracks when artists are out there trying to progress the music industry away from the status quo?
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I love Katy Perry, Ke$ha, etc....but I totally agree with sats in saying that the less commercial, original and risky stuff is by far the more engaging piece of music. I would easily take something less safe like Run the World over something generic like Teenage Dream. Rated R was a flawless album with deep, emotional and engaging tracks but it was Rude Boy that became the hit track.
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Another mess, when she sang about her pain she was ignored, but as soon as she sang about penis and ***** the world was all for it.
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Sadly, I find that the general public isn't here for new and original. While there are many stans out there, we still make up the minority of sales and control when it comes to the success of a song or album. Example: Katy Perry, she has a small stanbase yet her singles light up radio and iTunes -- the general public eats up her safe radio hits because they aren't into music like we are. They don't analyze every word, or nuance in the production like we do. They are unaware of receipts like we are.....they just want to gobble up the carefree stuff. It's a hooks and chorus world right now.
It takes decades for music to migrate into the next big thing and the trinity are testing the waters a bit too early with new sounds when it comes to singles.
On another note, Britney, Beyonce and GaGa are at the point in their careers where they can afford to be risky, against the common sounds on the radio unlike someone like Katy or K$ who have to lean on the side of generic to keep their young careers thriving (and yes, GaGa is young too but she just out-seated Oprah, nuff said).
I don't know if it makes since or not, all I know is that the trinity better get it together.
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Member Since: 9/23/2009
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Originally posted by ashuduff
To you it may have seemed natural, but to everybody else it was a hilarious attempt by a pop star to be edgy.
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Right, and if Rihanna came out acting like nothing happen -- she would have been bashed.
I could NOT be a celebrity, because of regardless of what you do - you will always be the wrong one.
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Originally posted by satellites™
Yeah, it is kinda of unexpected to be honest. I fully expect Beyonce to make a recovery before i'm forced to call the entire world racist.
Britney is actually to blame for her album failing, because she refuses to promote. (look what idol did for RTW).
And Gaga cursed herself kind of, I KNEW KNEW KNEW releasing The Fame Monster was a bad idea. That is an album that comes like 6 years into your career, it was groundbreaking. She released is as a ****ing EP and ruined her chances of surpassing it the next time round.
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I still ruefully regret the fact that TFM didn't have at least six singles - not since Thriller or 1999 has a pop album been so RACKED with singles.
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Member Since: 8/22/2009
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Originally posted by iBeyoncé.
Beyonce on the other hand most likely won't stay on this Revolution tip even though I wish she'd stay on it, but I just don't see her keeping up with it. Beyonce gets lazy after she gets alot of success under her belt, but then again one of the descriptions from those 5 songs from her album makes it seem like she's going a dark route what with words like mad scientist being thrown around.
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Im also afraid she might turn this era around into something totally different if she thinks people arent responding the way she expected. I prefer her to stay on the 'Revolution' tip because 10 years from now people will be praising it in high regard.
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Member Since: 3/4/2011
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Originally posted by iBeyoncé.
Your right because all I see on the RTW video is comments like "This isn't Beyonce" and "We want the old Beyonce" and I'm just like what? Same for Gaga. i will admit I wanted The Fame Gaga back but after listening to born this way minus the everything released before. It's amazing and it shows huge growth on her part. Beyonce & Gaga are really going through the same thing it's just Beyonce is suffering a little more due to the fact that instead of trying to change dance pop she tried to change and went a whole different genre of music all together. Britney just needs to perform on one award show. I'm sure she can rebound.
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Agree!
I also like to point out that Bey was gone for too long, the void was filled by "safe" music. Bey came out with something that wasnt being played on the radio. Lady Gaga will suffer from this later(more so later), unless she manages to change peoples perspective of whats cool. Britney suffers from lack of promo.
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Member Since: 8/22/2009
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Originally posted by ashuduff
But being dark for the sake of being dark is stupid. Rihanna is obviously NOT this dark, edgy girl (look at her in 2005) and to see her try to be emotional and non-commercial...it's laughable.
And people have always looked down on pop stars and even more so on pop stars who try to be something they're not.
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I don't think anyone is or ever was faking it. Rihanna was in a dark time in her life and wanted to express herself through dark imagery and darker than pop music, and that is what she did. No one even talks about the best tracks on 'Rated R' because most people skipped over them. Notice how she had writing credits for filth on her last album and this era she has none because it's all about the fluff and the success.
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Originally posted by iBeyoncé.
I can't speak for Britney. I don't know what's up with that. I'm shocked to be honest cause even though she had more energy last era and was way prettier it seems like she's doing more so I don't get why she is in a rut since Til The World Ends isn't really what you'd call dark and edgy.
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TTWE is NOT a single that sells albums, if Britney wants to sell albums she needs to release something like Criminal or He About To Lose me and PROMOTE
But like I've said before she doesn't care about being a huge superstar anymore or try to compete with Adele or Katy Perry for the #1 on Itunes
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Member Since: 8/22/2009
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Originally posted by Haus Of Navin
FF is the first Britney album I liked the majority of.
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Yo Tambien.
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Member Since: 8/22/2009
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Originally posted by Ace Reject
I still ruefully regret the fact that TFM didn't have at least six singles - not since Thriller or 1999 has a pop album been so RACKED with singles.
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Single Ladies
If I Were A Boy
Halo
Sweet Dreams
Radio
Ego
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Member Since: 6/10/2009
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Interesting point, yet I doubt people are really that into the whole Illuminati business. At the end of the day, the radio will play the same boring songs over and over, while envelope pushers will be left out in the cold. It's why I barely listen to the radio. There's only so many times one can listen to meaningless crap in a day.
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Member Since: 8/24/2008
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Originally posted by satellites™
Im also afraid she might turn this era around into something totally different if she thinks people rent responding the way she expected. I prefer her to stay on the 'Revolution' tip because 10 years from now people will be praising it in high regard.
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I'm glad you brought that up. Someone on BWB said something that got overlooked but it made me wonder. Remember how the teasers for RTW had the girls doing nazi walks and had nazi looking posters everywhere and those tanks with her face on them, where did all of those go? Remember Bee went back and edited the video. What if the video was MUCH more controversial but Beyonce went back and edited all that stuff out. I'm praying for a directors cut.
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Better question, since this is turning out to be more of a thread on the state of mainstream pop in 2011 - HOW is Adele doing this much damage?
Is Adele the new Sade? I think she/they were the last time Americans took to a British non-rock act this vociferously.
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