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News: John Kerry rebukes Israel; Netanyahu slams him
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Originally posted by MrDeeds
Kerry: "Israel can be Jewish or democratic. It cannot be both."
WTF
Thank God he's fired
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The Obama administration has been a true enemy to Israel and Jews worldwide
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Originally posted by Darren-5-08
The Obama administration has been a true enemy to Israel and Jews worldwide
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Yeah that's why they've provided Israel with more aid then any other administration
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Anyways...the US would be doing their own citizens a world of good if they would put their foot down with Israel and stop letting Netenyahu get what he wants after throwing his usual bitch fits
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Originally posted by Teezy
This would've had so much more impact if the Obama administration had the courage to be this outspoken against the Israeli govt. for his whole 2nd term. It means next to nothing with neocons and Israel lapdogs in control in a couple months.
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I agree.
Too little, too late. They should have been this outspoken 8 years ago. Maybe we'd be closer to a solution. Israel would have felt some pressure to change it's radical right wing ways and Palestinians would be one step closer to independence.
I know Obama has not been on the best terms with Israel, but his political stance was not this transparent.
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"Israel can be Jewish or democratic. It cannot be both."
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This is not entirely true, but I think he meant to say "Zionist" instead of Jewish. Israel can be Jewish (observe Jewish customs, traditions, holidays) but it cannot be Zionist and democratic. It just doesn't make sense. The region is full of Muslims and Christians, Druze and a few hundred Samaritans (Palestinian Jews). That's 4 other religions that consider Israel/palestine HOME. They deserve all the same rights and freedom as Israelis.
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Originally posted by RihRihGirrrl
Yeah that's why they've provided Israel with more aid then any other administration
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Quick reminder of the anti-Israel hatred of the Obama administration, courtesy of the wonderful Ben Shapiro
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February 2008: Obama rips the Likud Party, even though the Kadima Party is in power attempting to negotiate peace with the Palestinians.
June 2008: Obama reverses himself on whether Jerusalem should remain undivided.
March 2009: The Obama administration rejoins the anti-Semitic UN Human Rights Council, fully acknowledging its anti-Semitism.
May 2009: Obama tells Netanyahu that “settlements have to be stopped in order for us to move forward.” Netanyahu complies. Obama slams Israel anyway.
June 2009: Obama says Israel was only founded because of the Holocaust, then compares Palestinian treatment at Jewish hands to Jewish suffering at the hands of the Nazis: “They endure the daily humiliations – large and small – that come with occupation. So let there be no doubt: the situation for the Palestinian people is intolerable. America will not turn our backs on the legitimate Palestinian aspiration for dignity, opportunity, and a state of their own.”
July 2009: Obama threatens to put “daylight” between the United States and Israel.
September 2009: Obama says “America does not accept the legitimacy of continued Israeli settlements.”
March 2010: Vice President Joe Biden visits Israel and rips Netanyahu for allowing Jews to build bathrooms in their homes in Jerusalem. Hillary screams at Netanyahu for an hour on the phone. When Netanyahu visits the White House, Obama makes him leave through the side door.
June 2010: A “US defense source” leaks and kills Israel’s plans to work with Saudi Arabia to strike the Iranian nuclear facilities.
May 2011: The State Department labels Jerusalem not a part of Israel. Obama says all negotiations must begin with the pre-1967 borders.
November 2011: French President Nicholas Sarkozy tells Obama on an open mic, “I can’t stand him, he’s a liar,” and Obama replying, “You’re tired of him? What about me? I have to deal with him every day.”
December 2011: Hillary compares Israel to Iran.
February 2012: Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta kills a potential Israeli strike on Iran by talking about it openly with the Washington Post.
March 2012: The Obama administration repeatedly leaks Israeli plans to strike Iran’s nuclear facilities, including a nascent deal with Azerbaijan to use an airbase.
June 2012: The Obama administration leaks Israel’s involvement in the Stuxnet virus, which was designed to cripple Iran’s nuclear ambitions.
December 2012: Hillary says that Israelis have a “lack of empathy” for Palestinians, calling the Palestinians an “oppressed people.”
March 2013: Obama forces Netanyahu to call Islamist Turkish Prime Minister Tayyip Erdogan to apologize for stopping a terrorist flotilla from entering the Gaza Strip.
June 2013: The Obama administration leaks specific information regarding Israeli Arrow 3 anti-ballistic missile sites. That information had been classified.
June 2014: Three Jewish teenagers are kidnapped, including an American, and murdered by Hamas. The Obama administration immediately calls on Israel for restraint, and says it will continue to work with a Palestinian unity government including Hamas.
August 2014: In the middle of a shooting war, Obama personally stepped in and blocked the shipments of weapons to Israel.
October 2014: Jeffrey Goldberg, lackey for Obama on Israel, releases an article in The Atlantic quoting Obama officials calling Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu a “chickenshit.” Goldberg, naturally, blames Netanyahu.
January 2015: Obama deploys his campaign team to defeat Netanyahu in Israel.
Finally, of course, the Obama administration rammed through an Iran deal that will endanger millions of Jewish lives both in Israel and around the world, elevating terrorist, genocidal mullahs to regional power.
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What kinda Zionist bs ^lol...the absolute entitlement by some folks who support Israel is absolutely astounding. Disagreeing with the settlements makes u an enemy?? Rightly acknowledging that Jerusalem is NOT Israel's land makes u an enemy lol. All despite giving them 38 billions dollars to bolster their defense. This is why the US needs to cut ties with Israel because all they do is push the boundaries and expect the US to provide cover no matter how provocative their actions are
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Even in the United States folks on the right and left criticized the Iraq war they criticized the Vietnam war. The media scrutinized the Bush aministration for their wreck less choice to invade Iraq but that's all good and well because that's democracy but dare to criticize Israel's illegal settlements and continued efforts to occupy Palestinian land and you are deemed an enemy, a Nazi lol
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Originally posted by RihRihGirrrl
What kinda Zionist bs ^lol...the absolute entitlement by some folks who support Israel is absolutely astounding. Disagreeing with the settlements makes u an enemy?? Rightly acknowledging that Jerusalem is NOT Israel's land makes u an enemy lol. All despite giving them 38 billions dollars to bolster their defense. This is why the US needs to cut ties with Israel because all they do is push the boundaries and expect the US to provide cover no matter how provocative their actions are
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Clearly you didn't read what was said. Ben Shapiro is a Jewish American from California who has written both in favour and in criticism of the Israeli government. But he is consistent in his opinion that the Obama administration is Jew-hating.
Also, if you think the US should cut ties with Israel, you would pretty much be advocating the destruction of the only free democracy in the US and the only Jewish state in the world. How anti-Semitic
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Originally posted by Darren-5-08
Clearly you didn't read what was said. Ben Shapiro is a Jewish American from California who has written both in favour and in criticism of the Israeli government. But he is consistent in his opinion that the Obama administration is Jew-hating.
Also, if you think the US should cut ties with Israel, you would pretty much be advocating the destruction of the only free democracy in the US and the only Jewish state in the world. How anti-Semitic
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Haha I'm anti-Semitic because I don't want my country beholden to a state run by an extreme party that advocates for more and more illegal occupation lol
So amazing how a state that apparently can't exist on its own can show so much entitlement and lack of appreciation after being handed 38B by damn near the only alli they have
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Originally posted by RihRihGirrrl
Haha I'm anti-Semitic because I don't want my country beholden to a state run by an extreme party that advocates for more and more illegal occupation lol
So amazing how a state that apparently can't exist on its own can show so much entitlement and lack of appreciation after being handed 38B by damn near the only alli they have
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No, you are showing aspects of anti-Semitism by refusing to acknowledge that the relationship between the US and Israel is mutually beneficial, due to significant technological advances made by the country and shared information in the fight against terrorism by a country who knows more about it than any other western nation.
Israel is an ally of the US, surrounded by numerous Muslim countries who seek its complete obliteration. As an ally of the west, and a free democracy, it deserves our protection from complete annihilation.
Obama is NOT an ally of Israel. Obama is an enemy of Israel who maintains funding because it would be politically unwise not to. Fear not, however, Obama makes up for this by ensuring to give copious amounts of money to terrorist organisations (such as Hamas) who want to see Israel destroyed.
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We have given Israel over 130B since 2001 and our aid to their defense accounts for approximately 1/3 of our own defense budget. That is not mutual, that's one sided. And don't kid yourself, the US does not need Israel, we stand by them because of an unwavering obligation. And no saying the US doesn't have to rely on Israel for their existence is not being anti-Semitic
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Originally posted by RihRihGirrrl
We have given Israel over 130B since 2001 and our aid to their defense accounts for approximately 1/3 of our own defense budget. That is not mutual, that's one sided. And don't kid yourself, the US does not need Israel, we stand by them because of an unwavering obligation. And no saying the US doesn't have to rely on Israel for their existence is not being anti-Semitic
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You cannot be serious. You are saying the US has given Israel $130B since 2001 and this is 1/3 of the US military budget? Meaning the US military budget has been $390B from 2001-2016 combined? Laughable! The US military budget in 2015 was around $600B. The $38B aid package accounts for just over 6% of the US military budget.
Given that it is one of the closest allies of the US and provides huge amounts of technology and information to the west.
Answer me this. Do you think Israel has the right to exist? Would you be happy to see the deaths of all Jews in Israel?
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Originally posted by Darren-5-08
You cannot be serious. You are saying the US has given Israel $130B since 2001 and this is 1/3 of the US military budget? Meaning the US military budget has been $390B from 2001-2016 combined? Laughable! The US military budget in 2015 was around $600B. The $38B aid package accounts for just over 6% of the US military budget.
Given that it is one of the closest allies of the US and provides huge amounts of technology and information to the west.
Answer me this. Do you think Israel has the right to exist? Would you be happy to see the deaths of all Jews in Israel?
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My mistake I meant it accounts for 1/3 of our foreign aid budget which is a hefty amount
Answer me this, do u think that a 2 state solution is possible with Israel continuing to build illegal settlements? Something that no country in the world agrees with?
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Lol good, it is about time america stuck up to that maniac country. And to think they are making all this fuss just because the world wants them to stop building illegal settlements on other peoples land, heaven forbid we try to uphold international law.
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Originally posted by RihRihGirrrl
My mistake I meant it accounts for 1/3 of our foreign aid budget which is a hefty amount
Answer me this, do u think that a 2 state solution is possible with Israel continuing to build illegal settlements? Something that no country in the world agrees with?
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I think a 2 state solution is possible.
But NOT while there are terrorist organisations (Hamas) in the Palestinian unity government. As long as countries continue to fund the Palestinian unity government, they are funding terrorists.
Mark my words, though, the Israel will disarm when its enemies do. But if Israel disarmed first, its enemies would destroy it. That should tell you all you need to know about who we should be protecting.
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Originally posted by PoKiTaurus
This will only make things worse if they make this 2 countries thing. Israel will NOT give up on its land.
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......whose land?
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Originally posted by CakeLike
Lol good, it is about time america stuck up to that maniac country. And to think they are making all this fuss just because the world wants them to stop building illegal settlements on other peoples land, heaven forbid we try to uphold international law.
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Before describing settlements as illegal, you should bear in mind that Palestine isn't, nor has ever been, a state. The State of Palestine can only come to being through direct negotiations with Israel. This resolution makes negotiations, and thus a Palestinian State, less likely.
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Originally posted by Communion
......whose land?
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The cultural, spiritual and religious homeland of the JEWS, of course.
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Originally posted by Darren-5-08
Before describing settlements as illegal, you should bear in mind that Palestine isn't, nor has ever been, a state. The State of Palestine can only come to being through direct negotiations with Israel. This resolution makes negotiations, and thus a Palestinian State, less likely.
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They are illegal according to international law, unless you think israel is somehow special and except from this. There is lots of things that can be argued however this is not one of them. But if you are in favour of them then i have nothing more to say to you
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