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Poll: Hillary vs. Bernie: Who Lost More?
View Poll Results: Who lost more?
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Bernie LOST more
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28 |
27.72% |
Hillary LOST more
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72.28% |
Member Since: 8/18/2013
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I'm pretty sure people are never gonna forget Hillary's loss anytime soon which makes it a bigger loss.
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Member Since: 6/20/2012
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Originally posted by BobBertran1992
Being in debt >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not showing his taxes for twenty years.
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Except Trump has more tax returns out than Bernie does.
We have a couple of years of Trump from the 1970's and a 108-pages financial document.
With Bernie we only have his '14 returns (which showed hypocrisy, getting tax deductions for charity work, and playing with loopholes)
Yikes.
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Member Since: 4/6/2011
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Bernie. His voters turned on him the moment he endorsed Hillary
Also Hillary got almost 3 million more votes than T. She might be "hated" by America but she is also very loved and every single person that voted for her still supports her.
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Member Since: 6/20/2012
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Originally posted by Fans
I'm pretty sure people are never gonna forget Hillary's loss anytime soon which makes it a bigger loss.
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This just means that she's a more memorable, more influential, more iconic leader who had a 3M popular vote lead and still lost, not that she lost more.
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Member Since: 3/15/2013
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Originally posted by heckinglovato
Except Trump has more tax returns out than Bernie does.
We have a couple of years of Trump from the 1970's and a 108-pages financial document.
With Bernie we only have his '14 returns (which showed hypocrisy, getting tax deductions for charity work, and playing with loopholes)
Yikes.
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So do you think that deduction for charity work is a bad thing?
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Member Since: 6/20/2012
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Originally posted by BobBertran1992
So do you think that deduction for charity work is a bad thing?
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It's hypocritical. If you're someone who wants to close the loopholes that rich people take advantage of all the time, you should walk the walk and not talk the talk.
If $5K more for HIV patients means $5K less for veterans, schools, road & infrastructure, healthcare, food stamps, CHIP, social security, defense, etc. then keep it, and Bernie agrees on that.
And since you criticized Trump for not releasing 20+ years of tax returns, where are you Bernie's criticism, anyway?
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Member Since: 3/15/2013
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Originally posted by heckinglovato
It's hypocritical. If you're someone who wants to close the loopholes that rich people take advantage of all the time, you should walk the walk and not talk the talk.
If $5K more for HIV patients means $5K less for veterans, schools, road & infrastructure, healthcare, food stamps, CHIP, social security, defense, etc. then keep it, and Bernie agrees on that.
And since you criticized Trump for not releasing 20+ years of tax returns, where are you Bernie's criticism, anyway?
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Bernie is not a business owner like Trump, he's one of the poorest policital figures in a while who is using his voice to change the political landscape.
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Member Since: 12/22/2011
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Originally posted by heckinglovato
Bernie:
— Lost the United States Senate election in 1972 at 2.2% of the vote.
— Lost the Vermont gubernatorial election in 1972 at 1.1% of the vote.
— Lost the United States Senate election in 1974 at 4.13% of the vote.
— Lost the Vermont gubernatorial election in 1976 at 6.1% of the vote.
— Lost the Vermont gubernatorial election in 1986 at 14.4% of the vote.
— Lost the United States House election in 1988 at 37.5% of the vote.
— Lost the United States D Primary for the House election in 1990.
— Lost the United States D Primary for the House election in 2000.
— Lost the United States D Primary for the House election in 2004.
— Lost the United States D Primary for the U.S. Presidential Election to Hillary Clinton with a 3,700,000 votes deficit.
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Hillary:
— Lost the D Primary for the U.S. Presidential Election to Barack Obama despite having a lead of a quarter million votes.
— Lost The United States Presidential Election despite having a lead of 3,000,000 votes
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A lead of 2.8M in fact. Let's not oversell it...
Your comments for Hillary start off with fact and then state "despite" to counter it with a reason for the loss
While your comments for Bernie just state the facts
It makes me wonder if you have already taken a position on this question you pose to ATRL
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Member Since: 8/16/2011
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bernie won because he is a good person. contrary to popular belief, being a good person is its own reward
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Hillary Clinton is a sore loser. Her own party had to come up with stuff to undermine Bernie Sanders so that she secured the nomination. She also lost the 2008 primaries to Barack Obama. The American people rejected her twice. Moreover, in spite of being very well qualified to become president, she lost to a person who never held a public office before.
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by BobBertran1992
Being in debt >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not showing his taxes for twenty years.
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He showed one year of tax returns and it revealed that he's still making a lot of money off of poisoning a poor Latino Neighborhood at Sierra Blanca with nuclear waste nnn. God knows what 20 years would show
Also, he does zero charity.
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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the one who lost the US presidential election to one of the most reviled presidential candidates of all time
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by BobBertran1992
So do you think that deduction for charity work is a bad thing?
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It's a fraudulent way to get out of paying taxes. The Clintons pay 15% in charity spending AND 30% in taxes.
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Anyway, when Hillary lost the 2008 "rigged" primary, her voters acted maturely and she managed to eventually get them all to back Obama. As a result she became secretary of state and the second most powerful female politician in the world at one point.
When Bernie lost a "rigged" primary he acted like a brat and refused to concede for two months. His fans followed suit except they still refuse to concede. As a result he's out there promoting a book and rehashing his grumpy grandpa act for attention.
Talk about being a sore loser.
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Member Since: 5/2/2012
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Originally posted by heckinglovato
Contrary to common belief, Bernie is actually barely wealthy despite being in Congress for decades, and that's because he stacked up tens of thousands of dollars in credit card debt.
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"Barely wealthy" includes a $600k summer home. He'll live -- very well and privileged -- and so will Hillary.
I'm more concerned with all the L's minorities, middle/working class/poor, women, LGBT, muslims etc. are about to take.
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Member Since: 8/18/2013
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Why are we tearing each other apart? This is part of why Trump won. At the end of the day, they both agreed on at least 95% of issues so why are we doing this? Although Bernie was the better pick in my opinion and got my primary vote, Hillary was still perhaps the most progressive candidate in American history, even if it took her awhile to get where Bernie always was, and I'm proud to have voted for her in the actual election. And whether you stan for Bernie or Hillary, I think we can all agree we would rather pick one of their names out of a hat and run with whoever was picked rather than go for Trump. We need to rally together now, not squabble about our differences, especially since this man was elected.
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Member Since: 6/20/2012
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Quote:
Originally posted by BobBertran1992
Bernie is not a business owner like Trump, he's one of the poorest policital figures in a while who is using his voice to change the political landscape.
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He's the poorest because he had thousands of dollars in credit card debt, but congrats on him using his voice and stuff, he could have used it to concede in March 2016
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Originally posted by slw84
A lead of 2.8M in fact. Let's not oversell it...
Your comments for Hillary start off with fact and then state "despite" to counter it with a reason for the loss
While your comments for Bernie just state the facts
It makes me wonder if you have already taken a position on this question you pose to ATRL
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It literally says right there next to Bernie's Presidential primary the voter gap difference too
I'm having a feeling you didn't even read and just searched for a reason to be victimized. And yes, kudos on making that wild guess, it's very hard to tell what my opinion is after all my replies in this thread.
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Member Since: 12/22/2011
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Originally posted by rihannafan
bernie won because he is a good person. contrary to popular belief, being a good person is its own reward
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True.
People rightfully believe he was robbed from election rigging of Hillary and her camp.
People actually believe he would have defeated Trump.
People look at Hillary as someone that was set to make history and failed using all the celebrity endorsements at her fingertips AS WELL as wasting 1.2B for a loss.
That doesn't even go into her unwillingness to concede until the next morning or her losing more votes during the EC process
Bernie will be looked at as someone that was robbed and Hillary would be looked at as someone that was flawed and failed to make history as intended
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Member Since: 12/22/2011
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Originally posted by heckinglovato
It literally says right there next to Bernie's Presidential primary the voter gap difference too
I'm having a feeling you didn't even read and just searched for a reason to look like a victim. And yes, kudos on making that wild guess, it's very hard to tell what my opinion is after my replied in this thread.
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I did and noticed you would say despite for both of Clinton's lines when there are more than two losses to Clinton's credit and I'm not a victim.
I'm not bernie sanders so the uneven matching wasn't to make me look bad.
In the end, people will believe if Bernie wasn't cheated out of the running he would have defeated Trump.
Above all, this makes Hillary the one that loss more.
So close yet so far...
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Member Since: 6/20/2012
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Originally posted by slw84
True.
People rightfully believe he was robbed from election rigging of Hillary and her camp.
People actually believe he would have defeated Trump.
People look at Hillary as someone that was set to make history and failed using all the celebrity endorsements at her fingertips AS WELL as wasting 1.2B for a loss.
That doesn't even go into her unwillingness to concede until the next morning or her losing more votes during the EC process
Bernie will be looked at as someone that was robbed and Hillary would be looked at as someone that was flawed and failed to make history as intended
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Just because "people" look at something some way, doesn't make it factually accurate
But I'm curious, if all these people were allegedly by his side, why did he LOSE by millions of votes and hundreds of delegates even subtracting superdelegates? Even with the rigged caucus system that worked in his favor? Even with a FACTUALLY non-rigged primary process?
It seems to me that these "people" are fictional characters you created to make yourselves feel better
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