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Discussion: Will the Electoral College Block a Trump Presidency?
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I don't see it happening.
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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Originally posted by Jack. Bauer
Yeah it's shocking how few people know that it's basically illegal for electoral college voters to vote against whoever won the state.
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No it's not In almost half they states electors can vote for whoever they want and in some others they just have to pay a fine (which the people of the US would happily reimburse)
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Member Since: 8/27/2011
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Originally posted by Jackson
No it's not In almost half they states electors can vote for whoever they want and in some others they just have to pay a fine (which the people of the US would happily reimburse)
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Like the elector who was supposed to vote for Nixon but changed his vote to a Libertarian
I mean, if that's possible, then changing your vote from Republican to Democrat (or vice versa) should be a breeze
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Member Since: 4/26/2010
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Originally posted by Jan
Very frankly: no, that's an untrue analogy. They could have chosen it as a lesser evil and I think most people did so. Hillary Clinton doesn't have the legitimacy to be the president. The majority of states, which is the way the president is chosen in the US, voted for Donald Trump.
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It's not untrue. I know how the system works girl, and it does NOT justify votes for Trump. People voted for Trump KNOWING he had rape charges pending, he was in court for Fraud, that he encouraged racism, violence, and xenophobia, that he was sexist and admitted to sexual assault in a casual manner. I am sorry if it hurts you when I call you out on your endorsement, but I'm not going to stop doing it. Frankly it is what it is, if you endorse Trump you have allowed and endorsed his actions. I am sorry to say but by association you are a racist, you are homophobic, and you are xenophobic. If you were not, you would have opened your mind, and thought about your fellow brothers and sisters who were hurt, distraught, and frankly scared by his campaign run. Endorsing him, just demonstrates you have no empathetic feelings to them, why would their feelings matter? America has a very sad illness growing in it. It's dying from the inside out. I cannot believe 60 million people voted for this man. It's a truly symbolic testament to the countries hatred for anything non-male, non-white. I feel sorry for its citizens. I feel sorry for Hillary for being classed worse than Donald, when she is clearly not, for the people that believed the fake accusations and press, because America could not, and would not have a woman as their president. Hate crimes are on the increase, hurting fellow American brother's and sisters who are scared to leave their home. An endorsement for Trump caused that. So don't casually deny what a vote for Trump has caused. A vote for Clinton, was a vote for functionality of the country. She wasn't perfect, but she would have worked. It would have worked. Trump does not work.
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Member Since: 4/26/2010
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Originally posted by rihannabiggestfan
Like the elector who was supposed to vote for Nixon but changed his vote to a Libertarian
I mean, if that's possible, then changing your vote from Republican to Democrat (or vice versa) should be a breeze
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It's 100% possible. In states where it's not allowed, electors pay a small fine. In states where there's no regulations against it, electors are free to vote for who they want without any sanctions.
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Member Since: 8/17/2013
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Originally posted by -Lewymocha-
It's not untrue. I know how the system works girl, and it does NOT justify votes for Trump. People voted for Trump KNOWING he had rape charges pending, he was in court for Fraud, that he encouraged racism, violence, and xenophobia, that he was sexist and admitted to sexual assault in a casual manner. I am sorry if it hurts you when I call you out on your endorsement, but I'm not going to stop doing it. Frankly it is what it is, if you endorse Trump you have allowed and endorsed his actions. I am sorry to say but by association you are a racist, you are homophobic, and you are xenophobic. If you were not, you would have opened your mind, and thought about your fellow brothers and sisters who were hurt, distraught, and frankly scared by his campaign run. Endorsing him, just demonstrates you have no empathetic feelings to them, why would their feelings matter? America has a very sad illness growing in it. It's dying from the inside out. I cannot believe 60 million people voted for this man. It's a truly symbolic testament to the countries hatred for anything non-male, non-white. I feel sorry for its citizens. I feel sorry for Hillary for being classed worse than Donald, when she is clearly not, for the people that believed the fake accusations and press, because America could not, and would not have a woman as their president. Hate crimes are on the increase, hurting fellow American brother's and sisters who are scared to leave their home. An endorsement for Trump caused that. So don't casually deny what a vote for Trump has caused. A vote for Clinton, was a vote for functionality of the country. She wasn't perfect, but she would have worked. It would have worked. Trump does not work.
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Drag iT!
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I hope that something does happen, though. Our country is headed down a dangerous path.
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Member Since: 8/7/2015
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Originally posted by -Lewymocha-
It's not untrue. I know how the system works girl, and it does NOT justify votes for Trump. People voted for Trump KNOWING he had rape charges pending, he was in court for Fraud, that he encouraged racism, violence, and xenophobia, that he was sexist and admitted to sexual assault in a casual manner. I am sorry if it hurts you when I call you out on your endorsement, but I'm not going to stop doing it. Frankly it is what it is, if you endorse Trump you have allowed and endorsed his actions. I am sorry to say but by association you are a racist, you are homophobic, and you are xenophobic. If you were not, you would have opened your mind, and thought about your fellow brothers and sisters who were hurt, distraught, and frankly scared by his campaign run. Endorsing him, just demonstrates you have no empathetic feelings to them, why would their feelings matter? America has a very sad illness growing in it. It's dying from the inside out. I cannot believe 60 million people voted for this man. It's a truly symbolic testament to the countries hatred for anything non-male, non-white. I feel sorry for its citizens. I feel sorry for Hillary for being classed worse than Donald, when she is clearly not, for the people that believed the fake accusations and press, because America could not, and would not have a woman as their president. Hate crimes are on the increase, hurting fellow American brother's and sisters who are scared to leave their home. An endorsement for Trump caused that. So don't casually deny what a vote for Trump has caused. A vote for Clinton, was a vote for functionality of the country. She wasn't perfect, but she would have worked. It would have worked. Trump does not work.
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Well, ok. You're entitled to this opinion. I'm a right-winger and most people that discussed with me know it. I'm never sold on Republicans or Democrats in my mind, I'm not even an American, however Hillary Clinton was an unacceptable candidate for me. But that's not relevant to the topic of this discussion.
What I'm going to say is: good luck persuading the undecided people with this rhetoric. Shaming people for their opinions only causes division and hatred, the latter you allegedly fight against. It's mostly angry/irritated, silenced whites pissed off about being demonised by the media who chose Donald Trump in a conservative backlash. If you want to win an election in the future, bear this in mind.
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Member Since: 9/13/2012
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If the shitstorm continues, I can a few changing their vote.
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Member Since: 9/13/2012
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Originally posted by Jan
Very frankly: no, that's an untrue analogy. They could have chosen it as a lesser evil and I think most people did so. Hillary Clinton doesn't have the legitimacy to be the president. The majority of states, which is the way the president is chosen in the US, voted for Donald Trump.
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Very frankly, no, that's an untrue analogy. They could have chosen it as a lesser evil and I think most people did so. Donald Trump doesn't have the legitimacy to be the president. The majority of the people, which is the way the president is chosen in a democracy, voted for Hillary Clinton.
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Member Since: 4/26/2010
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Originally posted by Jan
Well, ok. You're entitled to this opinion. I'm a right-winger and most people that discussed with me know it. I'm never sold on Republicans or Democrats in my mind, I'm not even an American, however Hillary Clinton was an unacceptable candidate for me. But that's not relevant to the topic of this discussion.
What I'm going to say is: good luck persuading the undecided people with this rhetoric. Shaming people for their opinions only causes division and hatred, the latter you allegedly fight against. It's mostly angry/irritated, silenced whites pissed off about being demonised by the media who chose Donald Trump in a conservative backlash. If you want to win an election in the future, bear this in mind.
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People who endorse Trump deserve to be shamed. Because racism, homophobia, sexual assault, xenophobia, and rape ARE shameful. Shame!
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by -Lewymocha-
It's not untrue. I know how the system works girl, and it does NOT justify votes for Trump. People voted for Trump KNOWING he had rape charges pending, he was in court for Fraud, that he encouraged racism, violence, and xenophobia, that he was sexist and admitted to sexual assault in a casual manner. I am sorry if it hurts you when I call you out on your endorsement, but I'm not going to stop doing it. Frankly it is what it is, if you endorse Trump you have allowed and endorsed his actions. I am sorry to say but by association you are a racist, you are homophobic, and you are xenophobic. If you were not, you would have opened your mind, and thought about your fellow brothers and sisters who were hurt, distraught, and frankly scared by his campaign run. Endorsing him, just demonstrates you have no empathetic feelings to them, why would their feelings matter? America has a very sad illness growing in it. It's dying from the inside out. I cannot believe 60 million people voted for this man. It's a truly symbolic testament to the countries hatred for anything non-male, non-white. I feel sorry for its citizens. I feel sorry for Hillary for being classed worse than Donald, when she is clearly not, for the people that believed the fake accusations and press, because America could not, and would not have a woman as their president. Hate crimes are on the increase, hurting fellow American brother's and sisters who are scared to leave their home. An endorsement for Trump caused that. So don't casually deny what a vote for Trump has caused. A vote for Clinton, was a vote for functionality of the country. She wasn't perfect, but she would have worked. It would have worked. Trump does not work.
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Bingo
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Member Since: 8/7/2015
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Originally posted by -Lewymocha-
People who endorse Trump deserve to be shamed. Because racism, homophobia, sexual assault, xenophobia, and rape ARE shameful. Shame!
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You've taken out absolutely nothing from what I said. Your choice, I guess, I don't think the white Trump voters will care more if their shaming continues. I didn't say it to show my views are superior in any way, I just told the truth and you've chosen to deny it.
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Originally posted by hellocory
Very frankly, no, that's an untrue analogy. They could have chosen it as a lesser evil and I think most people did so. Donald Trump doesn't have the legitimacy to be the president. The majority of the people, which is the way the president is chosen in a democracy, voted for Hillary Clinton.
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This doesn't make any sense.
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Member Since: 4/26/2010
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Originally posted by Jan
You've taken out absolutely nothing from what I said. Your choice, I guess, I don't think the white Trump voters will care more if their shaming continues. I didn't say it to show my views are superior in any way, I just told the truth and you've chosen to deny it.
This doesn't make any sense.
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You clearly struggle to comprehend basic points. I guess I understand how you endorse Trump. You have little to no understanding what the effects of doing that are.
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Member Since: 8/7/2015
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Originally posted by -Lewymocha-
You clearly struggle to comprehend basic points. I guess I understand how you endorse Trump. You have little to no understanding what the effects of doing that are.
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Resorting to passive aggression because you're losing an argument. Disgusting, however very consistent when compared to your previous posts. I'm done talking politics on this site, stay in your liberal bubbles while President Trump makes America great again.
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Member Since: 3/25/2012
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Originally posted by -Lewymocha-
They'll be voting as part of the electoral college on December 19th.
It's not our votes. It's the electoral college votes on December 19th.
I realise you don't understand the process though from your post.
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Give me a break, I didn't know they were voting as part of the electoral college because the quote only mentioned that they were some "nerdy guys from silicon valley". Anyway, I think you're misunderstanding my comment.
I'm very aware that the electoral college casts final votes on the 19th. What I was referring to was the fact that Trump already won the electoral college once. So what makes people think that they're going to vote any differently on the 19th? Even with him losing the popular vote, it's unlikely that they will change their vote to someone else even if it is another republican. Our votes don't really matter in the end because the electoral college makes the final decision and they will vote based on what works best for them and the people that influence their lives.
It's highly unlikely to see the electoral college pick someone else after a candidate has already been declared the winner, and I definitely don't see a majority of them writing in another candidate.
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Member Since: 4/26/2010
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Originally posted by Jan
Resorting to passive aggression because you're losing an argument. Disgusting, however very consistent when compared to your previous posts. I'm done talking politics on this site, stay in your liberal bubbles while President Trump makes America great again.
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That wasn't passive or aggressive. More assertive, and direct. You're the one leaving, and have no response. Sounds like you're losing the argument. Though to be fair, when you're completely immoral, unjust, people hating, racist endorsing... it's pretty easy to lose an argument. Bye.
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Member Since: 5/15/2009
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Originally posted by Jan
Resorting to passive aggression because you're losing an argument. Disgusting, however very consistent when compared to your previous posts. I'm done talking politics on this site, stay in your liberal bubbles while President Trump makes America great again.
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It really is a waste to even bring up the valid points and facts because it's like talking to a brick wall. They need to experience reality and real struggles to understand why Hillary lost.
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Member Since: 4/26/2010
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Originally posted by cloudinthesky
Give me a break, I didn't know they were voting as part of the electoral college because the quote only mentioned that they were some guys from silicon valley. I think you're misunderstanding my comment.
I'm very aware that the electoral college votes on the 19th. What I was referring to was the fact that Trump losing the popular vote didn't stop the electoral college from giving him the win as president-elect initially. So what makes people think that they're going to vote any differently on the 19th?
Even if some of them, like these guys, want to replace Trump with a different republican, I doubt they will go through with it. It's highly unlikely to see the electoral college pick someone else after a candidate has already been declared the winner.
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The popular vote only PROJECTS what the electoral college will vote on December 19th. The electoral college did NOT vote on November 8th. Instead the people voted on how their states should USE their electoral college votes. However, the electoral college is given time to reflect on the results, and they will hold all the power on December 19th to vote for the president of their choosing. Although in all cases in history, have respected and followed through with their states' votes.
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Member Since: 8/7/2015
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Originally posted by -Lewymocha-
That wasn't passive or aggressive. More assertive, and direct. You're the one leaving, and have no response. Sounds like you're losing the argument. Though to be fair, when you're completely immoral, unjust, people hating, racist endorsing... it's pretty easy to lose an argument. Bye.
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You clearly struggle to comprehend basic points. I guess I understand how you endorse Trump.
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So this is an 'assertive' opinion, without any hidden passive aggression? I brought up valid points and you said nothing to contradict them and then bring up something like this and claim you've won? I'm not going to talk to someone whose only argument is a bunch of insults. Literally bye.
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Member Since: 8/18/2013
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I think the last time we had a faithless elector was in 2000... and in that case the elector was supposed to vote for Al Gore and he abstained
in other words: it doesn't look good
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