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Discussion: What Makes Christina A Legend?
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Originally posted by Satellites
To be fair, NONE of the girls from our generation are legends YET (regardless of what Britney fans think). First of all, 20 years in the game is a must, they're all on their way. Christina has already started to fade so she won't make it unless she has a comeback like Mariah. Beyonce is in the lead and I'm not saying it because I'm a stan, i'm saying it because it's true. Legends are not made from album sales and costumes. Legends are made from performances, critical acclaim, awards, music, talent, and etc.... Being a legend and an icon are two very different things that simpletons on ATRL can't seem to grasp. Tina Turner is a legend, Marilyn Monroe is an icon.
See the difference.
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Is the middle GaGa shade? She has everything else you listed as well: performance, critical acclaim, awards, talent, etc. Plus more. If any two artists from our generation become future legends it will be GaGa & Bey.
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Originally posted by Jewfro
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Originally posted by carlos_2003
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Cos her opinion counts.
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Originally posted by Jewfro
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And Xtina isn't a legend, but that much is obvious.
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Britney will probably earn legend status soon as well. She is an icon at the very least. A very important pop icon, she's shaped pop to be how it is today.
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Originally posted by MusicTalker
Is the middle GaGa shade? She has everything else you listed as well: performance, critical acclaim, awards, talent, etc. Plus more. If any two artists from our generation become future legends it will be GaGa & Bey.
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You don't think Britney will go down as a legend?
EDIT: nevermind, you just answered
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Originally posted by PopBoi
Cos her opinion counts.
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well, step said nobody answer the question here in ATRL, maybe there she/he can get what she/he wants
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Originally posted by Kunt
The legendary failure of Bionic.
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Member Since: 10/28/2009
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Originally posted by MusicTalker
Is the middle GaGa shade? She has everything else you listed as well: performance, critical acclaim, awards, talent, etc. Plus more. If any two artists from our generation become future legends it will be GaGa & Bey.
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I don't think he's saying Gaga lacks those things. I think he's saying costumes/imagery alone won't make you a legend. That includes stuff like Xtina's "reinventions," Britney's red jumpsuit, schoolgirl outfit, etc. not just Gaga.
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She has a legendary voice but nothing about her as a star/musician/performer makes her a legend.
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Originally posted by MusicTalker
Is the middle GaGa shade? She has everything else you listed as well: performance, critical acclaim, awards, talent, etc. Plus more. If any two artists from our generation become future legends it will be GaGa & Bey.
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britney and gaga are the closest to being on the road to legenddom.
Beyonce, sorry but she didn't have such a huge impact on pop culture. She has the awards but not the same impact. Even though i can see her having a long and huge career like Tina Turner, but for me Tina Turner is not a legend. Rihanna was on her way in 2007-08, she was the hugest and even though i wasn't a fan back then i could not turn TV or radio without seeing her, but then we know what happened and it derailed her. Christina was overshadowed by Britney, even though she was very close to her especially with Stripped.
Whitney and Mariah i don't know, they ruled for about 10 years each but did they leave such an impact on pop culture to be called legends? I guess they did but I'm not sure yet
This is the true tea, deal with it
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Originally posted by Satellites
To be fair, NONE of the girls from our generation are legends YET (regardless of what Britney fans think). First of all, 20 years in the game is a must, they're all on their way. Christina has already started to fade so she won't make it unless she has a comeback like Mariah. Beyonce is in the lead and I'm not saying it because I'm a stan, i'm saying it because it's true. Legends are not made from album sales and costumes. Legends are made from performances, critical acclaim, awards, music, talent, and etc.... Being a legend and an icon are two very different things that simpletons on ATRL can't seem to grasp. Tina Turner is a legend, Marilyn Monroe is an icon.
See the difference.
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To be honest, in order to consider someone a legend, the singer/band should be very well remembered by most of the people or at least by two or more generations. That is why I still consider 00's artists --like the ones you mentioned-- have a very long way to go, let me explain you why.
First, Michael Jackson and The Beatles, for instance, have been known by more than one generation. sons/daughters, parents, and even grandparents know them!!. That is, in my opinnion, the first goal a person/group should accomplish in order to be a legend.
Second, although artists now are having more success than 80's and older artists, I believe they haven't had the impact of those "old" artists, basically because pop music is now divided into trends, it isn't like an ARTIST make a definite trend anymore . My clearest example, the current pop/dance or autotune songs trend, is there an artist who we can say STARTED that trend on the current pop music? I believe there wasn't.
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Originally posted by Satellites
To be fair, NONE of the girls from our generation are legends YET (regardless of what Britney fans think). First of all, 20 years in the game is a must, they're all on their way. Christina has already started to fade so she won't make it unless she has a comeback like Mariah. Beyonce is in the lead and I'm not saying it because I'm a stan, i'm saying it because it's true. Legends are not made from album sales and costumes. Legends are made from performances, critical acclaim, awards, music, talent, and etc.... Being a legend and an icon are two very different things that simpletons on ATRL can't seem to grasp. Tina Turner is a legend, Marilyn Monroe is an icon.
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Marilyn is a legend.
She was probably not all that talented, but the sheer FORCE of her personality and star presence made up for that. When the names of the more talented are forgotten, hers will live on. She had that undefinable IT which people with 100 times her talent lack. Decades after her death, she's still a household name, her name and image appearing in songs, movies, TV shows, posters, key chains, purses, T-shirts, etc. To have had such a small body of work, to have died so young and so long ago, and to still be remembered and loved by so many, and to still be such an inspiration to so many...surely that's the stuff of legends. And if not, then I don't know what is.
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Originally posted by Haus_of_Nicole
Marilyn is a legend.
She was probably not all that talented, but the sheer FORCE of her personality and star presence made up for that. When the names of the more talented are forgotten, hers will live on. She had that undefinable IT which people with 100 times her talent lack. Decades after her death, she's still a household name, her name and image appearing in songs, movies, posters, key chains, purses, T-shirts, etc. To have had such a small body of work, to have died so young and so long ago, and to still be remembered and loved by so many, and to still be such an inspiration to so many...surely that's the stuff of legends. And if not, then I don't know what is.
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marylin is a legend and she was an amazing actress, her prowess was overshadowed by her beauty but she was an amazing talent
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Originally posted by Haus_of_Nicole
Marilyn is a legend.
She was probably not all that talented, but the sheer FORCE of her personality and star presence made up for that. When the names of the more talented are forgotten, hers will live on. She had that undefinable IT which people with 100 times her talent lack. Decades after her death, she's still a household name, her name and image appearing in songs, movies, TV shows, posters, key chains, purses, T-shirts, etc. To have had such a small body of work, to have died so young and so long ago, and to still be remembered and loved by so many, and to still be such an inspiration to so many...surely that's the stuff of legends. And if not, then I don't know what is.
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He's saying the image = icon, influence = legend.
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Originally posted by ririlurker
marylin is a legend and she was an amazing actress, her prowess was overshadowed by her beauty but she was an amazing talent
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She was a funny, vivacious comedienne. It helps that she appeared in what many consider the greatest comedy of all time (Some Like it Hot) and had one of the most iconic moments in the history of cinema (her skirt being blown in The Seven Year Itch), but she was by no means an amazing actress. Or maybe she never had the chance to prove it.
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It's possible to be both.
Michael and The Beatles could be viewed as both iconic and legendary.
BTW, check out my new thread.
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Originally posted by GeezusHaberdash
He's saying the image = icon, influence = legend.
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You can see Marilyn's direct influence on Madonna, and you can see Madonna's influence on almost everyone else. And so in that regard, Marilyn is influencing almost all our faves.
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Originally posted by ririlurker
britney and gaga are the closest to being on the road to legenddom.
Beyonce, sorry but she didn't have such a huge impact on pop culture. She has the awards but not the same impact. Even though i can see her having a long and huge career like Tina Turner, but for me Tina Turner is not a legend. Rihanna was on her way in 2007-08, she was the hugest and even though i wasn't a fan back then i could not turn TV or radio without seeing her, but then we know what happened and it derailed her. Christina was overshadowed by Britney, even though she was very close to her especially with Stripped.
Whitney and Mariah i don't know, they ruled for about 10 years each but did they leave such an impact on pop culture to be called legends? I guess they did but I'm not sure yet
This is the true tea, deal with it
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Tina Turner can just about out-tour all of our faves- in stadiums at that. Not a legend? Rihanna was on her way to being a legend because of one big album that has dwindled in comparison to The Fame [Monster]?
Your tea smells like piss.
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