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Poll: Whitney vs Celine : More global at their peak?
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Originally posted by iamnotprude
global perception in 2000s (non caucasian non english 3rd world gp with limited acess /interest in english music)
1.MJ .. is a god of dance , actor-dancer also sings
2.Maddonna .. is any wannabe starlet
3. Britt - the oops girl
4. shakira shakira with the hips
5. Lady singing in the drowing ship movie video
6. ughh ... Bieber - Baby boy
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what? 
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The answer is Whitney. She was the global superstar IT girl of 1992. She was the leading actress of the second biggest movie of the year WW and she sang the biggest song of the year (and one of the biggest of all-time). Celine was very successful too but Titanic was never HER moment. The movie was iconic, Rose and Jack were iconic, My Heart Will Go On was a monster, but CELINE was never the center of the attention in 1997/1998.
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Celine is the definition of International act. So I'm gonna pick her.
Their peaks were impressive 
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Whitney appealed to young and old, western and non-western because she had more pop hits. Stuff you could dance to, sing along to, etc. She was also a bit more fashion forward, especially in the 80s, so Whitney was as a beauty icon. People looked up to her in more ways than one.
Celine never really reached that icon status during her prime. She was always a respected balladeer, but she wasn't an MTV icon, if you will. I think, despite her huge sales, she was very one-note and so her audience was always the same. Mostly a mature crowd, which is why she was able to sustain.
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Originally posted by Ressti
Whitney appealed to young and old, western and non-western because she had more pop hits. Stuff you could dance to, sing along to, etc. She was also a bit more fashion forward, especially in the 80s, so Whitney was as a beauty icon. People looked up to her in more ways than one.
Celine never really reached that icon status during her prime. She was always a respected balladeer, but she wasn't an MTV icon, if you will. I think, despite her huge sales, she was very one-note and so her audience was always the same. Mostly a mature crowd, which is why she was able to sustain.
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That's tea, Celine ha globalness is undeniable but Whitney's music is more universal, her bops are still being played all around teh werld. I dunno about y'all but i hear IWALY on radio/tv wayyyy more than MHWGO for example.
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Céline obviously 
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Originally posted by Kula
Whitney.
I Will Always Love You made The Body Guard famous
Titanic made My Heart Will Go On famous
So, Whitney alone made the movie famous, while Celine is unknown to be honest most people dont even know Celine sings the song...
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I'm sorry this is stupid 
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Originally posted by Humoresque
Whitney always skewed younger and had a larger youth audience so naturally there was a greater interest in her as a person, so she was a much bigger media celebrity. Celine never had that kind of delirium around her.
But what did Celine sell between like 1995 and 2000? 100 million records? More?
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albums released 1995-2000
Mariah:
1995 - 21m - Daydream
1997 - 11m - Butterfly
1998 - 16m - #1's
1999 - 8m - Rainbow
= 56 million
Whitney:
1996 - 6,5m - The Preacher's Wife
1998 - 14m - My Love is your Love
2000 - 13m - Greatest Hits
= 33,5 million
Céline Dion:
1995 - 9,5m - D'eux
1996 - 32m - Falling Into you
1996 - 1,5m - Live a Paris
1997 - 31m - Let's Talk about Love
1998 - 12,5m - These are special Times
1998 - 3,5m - S'il Suffisait D'aimer
1999 - 1,5m - Au coeur du stade
1999 - 23m - All The Way
= 114,5 million
Madonna:
1995 - 8,5m - Something to Remember
1996 - 9m - EVITA
1998 - 16m - Ray of Light
2000 - 11m - Music
= 44,5 million
Whitney had a quiet late 1990's. Céline was THE queen back in those years. But she had a quieter start to the decade.
Early 1990's
Mariah Carey:
1990 - 13,5m - Debut
1991 - 8m - Emotions
1992 - 6m - MTV Unplugged
1993 - 27m - Music Box
1994 - 13,5m - Merry Christmas
= 68 million (+56m //124 million)
Madonna:
1990 - 30m - The Immaculate Collection
1990 - 7m - I'm Breathless
1992 - 6m - Erotica
1994 - 7m - Bedtime Stories
= 50 million (+44,5m // 94,5m)
Whitney Houston:
1990 - 9,5m - I'm your Baby Tonight
1992 - 40m - The Bodyguard
= 49,5m (+33,5m // 83m)
Céline Dion:
1990 - 3m - Unison
1991 - 1,5m - Dion chante Plamodon
1992 - 4,5m - Céline Dion
1993 - 17m - The Colour of my Love
1994 - 1,5m - A l'Olympia
1994 - 0,2m - Les premières années
1995 - 0,8m - Gold Vol. 1
1995 - 0,2m - Gold Vol. 2
= 28,7m (+114,5m // 143,2m)
Decade End:
01 - 143,2 million - Céline Dion
02 - 124 million - Mariah Carey
03 - 94,5 million - Madonna
04 - 83 million - Whitney Houston
** Mariah was the first artist in the 1990's to surpass 100m albums sold, with Céline the two are the only female recording artist to have ever sold 100 million albums during a decade**
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Since 2000:
Céline Dion:
2000 - 2m - The Collector's Series
2002 - 10m - A New Day Has Come
2003 - 4m - One Heart
2003 - 1,5m - 1 fille & 4 types
2004 - 1,5m - Miracle
2004 - 0,8m - A New Day... Live in Las Vegas
2005 - 1,5m - On ne change pas
2007 - 0,5m - D'elles
2007 - 3m - Taking Chances
2008 - 0,2m - Complete Best
2008 - 2,5m - My Love: Essential Collection
2010 - 1m - Taking Chances World Tour: The Concert
2012 - 1,5m - Sans attendre
2013 - 1,5m - Loved Me Back to Life
2013 - 0,3m - Céline une seule fois / Live 2013
= 31,8 million
Madonna:
2001 - 4,5m - GHV2
2003 - 5,5m - American Life
2005 - 9,5m - Confessions on a Dancefloor
2006 - 0,3m - I'm Going to Tell You a Secret
2007 - 1,2m - The Confessions Tour
2008 - 4m - Hard Candy
2009 - 2m - Celebration
2010 - 0,5m - Sticky & Sweet Tour
2012 - 2m - Hard Candy
2013 - 0,2m - MDNA World Tour
2015 - 1m - Rebel Heart
= 30,7m
Mariah Carey:
2001 - 2,5m - Glitter
2001 - 4,2m - Greatest Hits
2002 - 3m - Charmbracelet
2003 - 0,5m - The Remxes
2005 - 9,5m - The Emancipation of Mimi
2008 - 2,5m - E=MC²
2009 - 1m - Memoirs of an Imperfect Angel
2009 - 0,8m - The Ballads
2010 - 0,8m - Merry Christmas II You
2010 - 0,1m - Essential
2014 - 0,3m - Me. I am Mariah... The Elusive Chanteuse
2015 - 0,2m - #1 to Infinity
= 25,4 million
Whitney Houston
2001 - 0,4m - Love, Whitney
2002 - 2,5m - Just Whitney
2003 - 1,5m - One Wish: The Holiday Album
2007 - 1,8m - The Ultimate Collection
2009 - 2,8m - I Look to You
2011 - 0,2m - The Essential Whitney Houston
2012 - 0,4m - I Will Always Love You: The Very Best of Whitney Houston
2014 - 0,2m - Whitney Houston Live: Her Greatest Performances
= 9,8 million
1990-today: releases:
01 - 143,2m + 31,8m // 175 million - Céline Dion
02 - 124m + 25,4m // 149,4 million - Mariah Carey
03 - *94,5m + 30,7m // 125,2 million - Madonna
04 - **83m + 9,8m // 92,8 million - Whitney Houston
* includes Music (2000)
** includes Greatest Hits (2000)
due to inaccurancies: Whitney's total could be increased by 5m due to her death.
due to inaccurancies: Madonna's total can be increased by 3-4 million, Céline's by 2-3 million, Mariah's by 1m
1990-Today:
01 - 178 million - Céline Dion
02 - 150 million - Mariah Carey
03 - 130 million - Madonna
04 - 98 million - Whitney Houston
That's why I can come up with.
Since 1990 nobody has sold more albums than any of the 4 above. Britney comes closest with round about 82m. It's either Janet or Adele next with both over 50 mllion.
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France ... major colonial expansionist GLOBAL supower in 19th20th century ..canada , south east asia, north nd central africas
adding Celine s french music catalouge to the english one... lady easily outclasses her contemps in global reach
ditto with Shakira.
sales + chart performances,grammy recognition (rip atrl) will get you Legendary status sure ,like Adele already has with just 3 albums... but going global ...nah nah
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Originally posted by Kula
Whitney.
I Will Always Love You made The Body Guard famous
Titanic made My Heart Will Go On famous
So, Whitney alone made the movie famous, while Celine is unknown to be honest most people dont even know Celine sings the song...
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Bodyguard helped didley squat to push Whitneys rep outside N.America, sure locally cemented her position amongst ' all time' lists in USA
World came to know Celine as the voice accompaning the sweet bagpipes in the lead song in the movie which was biggest Global ever (saleswise) at dat point in history.
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Cmon now whitney before and after the bodyguard was pretty local. Her popularity was pretty concentrated on anglo countries
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Isn't Whitney's only huge album a soundtrack?
Obviously Céline, no competition. The one who sold 60 million albums in two years (90 if you count Titanic Soundtrack since it sold so well due to her song). 
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Celine.
Whitney was local. (except for The Bodyguard which isn't her album)
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Originally posted by iamnotprude
Bodyguard helped didley squat to push Whitneys rep outside N.America, sure locally cemented her position amongst ' all time' lists in USA.
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Whitney was already huge globally even before The Bodyguard. The success of the film and soundtrack only made her bigger.
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Originally posted by iamnotprude
World came to know Celine as the voice accompaning the sweet bagpipes in the lead song in the movie which was biggest Global ever (saleswise) at dat point in history.
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And that song is basically all she is known for. Aside from her monstrous sales, Whitney is known for revitalizing the power ballad through her mix of gospel and pop virtuoso.
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Originally posted by arkl
Cmon now whitney before and after the bodyguard was pretty local. Her popularity was pretty concentrated on anglo countries
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Before AND after The Bodyguard Whitney was global. She sold out stadiums and arenas on virtually every continent, had hits on every continent and most of her album sales are outside of North America. And Whitney is popular in Francophone countries as well. Especially countries in Africa.
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Originally posted by Squall
Isn't Whitney's only huge album a soundtrack?
Obviously Céline, no competition. The one who sold 60 million albums in two years (90 if you count Titanic Soundtrack since it sold so well due to her song). |
Before The Bodyguard, Whitney sold 30 million with her debut, almost 25 million with her second and 10 million with her third. Google before you make ignorant statements.
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Celine.
Whitney was local. (except for The Bodyguard which isn't her album)
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How is Whitney local when she has way more worldwide hits than Celine? And The Bodyguard IS Whitney's album. She contributed to the majority of it, therefore it's hers. Billboard, Soundscan and NARAS agrees with me.
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Originally posted by IMPACTNET.
Whitney was already huge globally even before The Bodyguard. The success of the film and soundtrack only made her bigger.
And that song is basically all she is known for. Aside from her monstrous sales, Whitney is known for revitalizing the power ballad through her mix of gospel and pop virtuoso.
Before AND after The Bodyguard Whitney was global. She sold out stadiums and arenas on virtually every continent, had hits on every continent and most of her album sales are outside of North America. And Whitney is popular in Francophone countries as well. Especially countries in Africa.
Before The Bodyguard, Whitney sold 30 million with her debut, almost 25 million with her second and 10 million with her third. Google before you make ignorant statements.
How is Whitney local when she has way more worldwide hits than Celine? And The Bodyguard IS Whitney's album. She contributed to the majority of it, therefore it's hers. Billboard, Soundscan and NARAS agrees with me.
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Isn't the Bodyguard album labeled as "Various Artists"? Not Whitney Houston.
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Originally posted by IMPACTNET.
Before The Bodyguard, Whitney sold 30 million with her debut, almost 25 million with her second and 10 million with her third. Google before you make ignorant statements.
How is Whitney local when she has way more worldwide hits than Celine? And The Bodyguard IS Whitney's album. She contributed to the majority of it, therefore it's hers. Billboard, Soundscan and NARAS agrees with me.
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Her debut album is estimated at 24 million, not 30 million. Plus, The Bodyguard is not her album. 
Céline has two consecutive 30 million sellers. They sold less than Whitney's debut in the US and yet, they sold 6 million more in total. I guess the answer is pretty clear.
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Celine was more global.
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Originally posted by IMPACTNET.
Whitney was already huge globally even before The Bodyguard.
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Before The Bodyguard, Whitney sold 30 million with her debut.
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almost 25 million with her second
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and 10 million with her third
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How is Whitney local when she has way more worldwide hits than Celine? And The Bodyguard IS Whitney's album. She contributed to the majority of it, therefore it's hers. Billboard, Soundscan and NARAS agrees with me.
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