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Discussion: A gay religious person; how does it work exactly?
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I'm Catholic and I believe God loves all his children. Don't give a **** about what priests have to say about LGBT community.
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Originally posted by masc4masc
I'm Catholic and I believe God loves all his children. Don't give a **** about what priests have to say about LGBT community.
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Do you believe that the bible, like every other holy book, has been modified to fit medieval values?
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There are few religions that are "Anti gay". And some are constantly evolving....it just takes time for something as traditional and serious as religion.
Some, like Catholicism, may not be 100% accepting of gays yet, but they are far more accepting than they used to be and that will only get better. You just place value in the main core aspects of that religion.
Things in religion are very traditional and people want to hold on to those things, they're afraid to change...but in my opinion, God is still speaking. Our society is evolving and I believe there are certain parts of our society that are still evolving to what he wants for us. He loves all of his children, and being gay is something you're born with...it isn't something you can change. He made us that way, and it must have been for a reason.
I mean:
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-po..._medium=Social
Things are still making progress.
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Originally posted by RudeBoyy
On the first hand, if you honestly believe that every single romantic relationship you could ever have is morally wrong and you must abstain you must be terribly self hating.
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While I do agree that this is the (general) vibe I get from these types, I disagree that the idea on which it's based is inherently self-hating.
Though I think this largely will come down to differing ideas of what it means to genuinely hate oneself.
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On the other side, if God is real and all knowing, and he sees that his word is being misinterpreted to abuse, discriminate against and even kill a minority group all across the world yet does nothing then it's safe to say he really doesn't care that much.
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Not sure I agree with your premise. Does failure to act necessarily mean that he doesn't care? Perhaps his end goal for humanity requires he maintain a certain amount of freedom among his children.
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Originally posted by MissedTheTrain
There are few religions that are "Anti gay". And some are constantly evolving....it just takes time for something as traditional and serious as religion.
Some, like Catholicism, may not be 100% accepting of gays yet, but they are far more accepting than they used to be and that will only get better. You just place value in the main core aspects of that religion.
Things in religion are very traditional and people want to hold on to those things, they're afraid to change...but in my opinion, God is still speaking. Our society is evolving and I believe there are certain parts of our society that are still evolving to what he wants for us. He loves all of his children, and being gay is something you're born with...it isn't something you can change. He made us that way, and it must have been for a reason.
I mean:
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-po..._medium=Social
Things are still making progress.
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So basically certain aspects of religion become outdated and it's perfectly okay to ignore them?
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Long story short, I'm gay and a Christian and I believe that the passages concerning homosexuality have been wrongly misinterpreted throughout the years. I'm not a die-hard, reads the Bible 24/7, Bible thumping of Christian, but I do believe in God, which comes from my own personal experiences growing up. Personally, I connect more with the spirituality side of it then I do the actual scripture. I know some people who find faith in the actual book, but for me, I feel it more in my every day life and from just examining the world around me.
Everybody non-heterosexual Christian is different, though. Don't believe everything you read on the internet or assume that all gay Christians are self hating celibates. Or that all gays go to gay churches. There are more and more younger churches growing that don't consider homosexuality a sin and preach acceptance and equality.
I've started recently going to a new church (the first I've been too independently) and I believe they are accepting of homosexuality. They have said nothing but kind words about the community and are on a week-to-week basis preaching love to all, no exceptions. I still need to make sure though that my church is 100% behind gay rights as I don't want to be attending somewhere that thinks lesser of those who don't identify as the majority.
But, I don't need a church to continue my faith. I know God is real and in my life and wants me to continue spreading love, peace and acceptance to the world.
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Originally posted by Goaty
While I do agree that this is the (general) vibe I get from these types, I disagree that the idea on which it's based is inherently self-hating.
Though I think this largely will come down to differing ideas of what it means to genuinely hate oneself.
Not sure I agree with your premise. Does failure to act necessarily mean that he doesn't care? Perhaps his end goal for humanity requires he maintain a certain amount of freedom among his children.
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I think the reason inherently self hating is because if you believe homosexual love is a sin and you're gay, that means that you think the natural state of yourself and the relationships you're inclined to are wrong. Your attractions are wrong. The way you feel is wrong. You might not legitimately hate yourself, but you certainly see yourself as less than your heterosexual counterparts.
As for the other part, If God knows the past/present/future (in christian religions) then he most definitely knew that his words would be interpreted as being against gay people yet he said them anyway knowing the effects and influence they would have. I think that he must be at the very least indifferent to the plight of gays. If not, I'm not sure why he'd consciously contribute to it.
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It's not that hard to be gay and believe in God.
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Because god loves us, no matter what sin we commit.
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Originally posted by RudeBoyy
that means that you think the natural state of yourself [is] wrong.
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Would this same line of reasoning extend to someone interested in, say, makeup? Someone who has braces? Someone who takes medication to alter the body's natural chemistry?
If so, perhaps self-hate isn't so bad in certain contexts.
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As for the other part, If God knows the past/present/future (in christian religions) then he most definitely knew that his words would be interpreted as being against gay people yet he said them anyway knowing the effects and influence they would have. I think that he must be at the very least indifferent to the plight of gays. If not, I'm not sure why he'd consciously contribute to it.
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Gays aren't the only people who have fallen victim to Christian doctrine -- misinterpreted or otherwise. Suffering seems to be a key point of human existence, regardless of who you are. I don't think his failure to remedy this is evidence that he doesn't care.
We're talking about a God whose doctrine mentions the eternity of life. In that sense even eighty years of constant suffering is a mere speck in the grand scheme of things. Maybe God has a use for it -- like the uncomfortable (yet transient) pinch before the injection of antibiotics.
I guess my point is that this all rests on what God's end goal is -- assuming he has one, of course.
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Originally posted by RudeBoyy
I've also been curious on this, so i looked it up a while ago. Some religious gay folks call themselves Side A, and believe being gay is a sin so they take a vow of celibacy. Some religious gay folks call themselves Side B, and do pursue relationships regardless. Many believe that their religions anti gay stances are misinterpreted because their holy books are old and written in languages that aren't commonly used anymore.
In my opinion, both sides are full of denial. On the first hand, if you honestly believe that every single romantic relationship you could ever have is morally wrong and you must abstain you must be terribly self hating. On the other side, if God is real and all knowing, and he sees that his word is being misinterpreted to abuse, discriminate against and even kill a minority group all across the world yet does nothing then it's safe to say he really doesn't care that much. No offense to anyone that believes either or.
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So you're saying all gay people must have sex or theyre full of self hatred?? Celibacy is nothing to be ashamed of regardless of sexuality. I on the other hand chose to embrace my sexuality and also believe the bible has been misinterpreted. Because I've actually read the bible and also know that the word homosexuality wasn't even a word until the 19th century. And I also know what sodomy is and know for a fact that not only gay people perform oral and anal sex. So there was obviously mistranslation in Corinthians
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But w/ regards to the OP -- I will say that I have met a few gays like this and RudeBoyy's first post sums them up perfectly. Either they see their sexuality as some hurdle to hop over, or they believe the whole idea of homosexuality being wrong is a misunderstanding.
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A cheating religious person?
A glutenous religious person?
A prideful religious person?
A judgmental religious person?
A.. ****gasp** sinful religious person?
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Originally posted by AccioMiley
It's not that hard to be gay and believe in God.
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Believing in God does not equate to being religious/being a part of a religion. I'm gay and I believe in God and Jesus and I would commit suicide before becoming apart of any religion. I would literally take my own life first
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Originally posted by Goaty
But w/ regards to the OP -- I will say that I have met a few gays like this and RudeBoyy's first post sums them up perfectly. Either they see their sexuality as some hurdle to hop over, or they believe the whole idea of homosexuality being wrong is a misunderstanding.
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Well that's sad because I don't see how it can be a misunderstanding and I don't think anyone should have to apologize for a consensual relationship between two adults that doesn't hurt anybody else.
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Originally posted by AccioMiley
So you're saying all gay people must have sex or theyre full of self hatred?? Celibacy is nothing to be ashamed of regardless of sexuality. I on the other hand chose to embrace my sexuality and also believe the bible has been misinterpreted. Because I've actually read the bible and also know that the word homosexuality wasn't even a word until the 19th century. And I also know what sodomy is and know for a fact that not only gay people perform oral and anal sex. So there was obviously mistranslation in Corinthians
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I'm saying if you believe that if you're gay you can never ever have sex or it's wrong (while straight can have sex in the confines of marriage) then that borders self hatred/ seeing your sexuality as below that of a straight person. If you're celibate just because, or if you believe celibacy is right regardless of orientation, there is nothing wrong with that.
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Originally posted by Goaty
Would this same line of reasoning extend to someone interested in, say, makeup? Someone who has braces? Someone who takes medication to alter the body's natural chemistry?
If so, perhaps self-hate isn't so bad in certain contexts.
Gays aren't the only people who have fallen victim to Christian doctrine -- misinterpreted or otherwise. Suffering seems to be a key point of human existence, regardless of who you are. I don't think his failure to remedy this is evidence that he doesn't care.
We're talking about a God whose doctrine mentions the eternity of life. In that sense even eighty years of constant suffering is a mere speck in the grand scheme of things. Maybe God has a use for it -- like the uncomfortable (yet transient) pinch before the injection of antibiotics.
I guess my point is that this all rests on what God's end goal is -- assuming he has one, of course.
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I think romantic relationships are more important than makeup and can have a much more positive effect on a person when done right. As for the second point, I think you're right and maybe I was a bit to quick to judgement.
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Originally posted by Nemo
A cheating religious person?
A glutenous religious person?
A prideful religious person?
A judgmental religious person?
A.. ****gasp** sinful religious person?
Believing in God does not equate to being religious/being a part of a religion. I'm gay and I believe in God and Jesus and I would commit suicide before becoming apart of any religion. I would literally take my own life first
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Asa what is this?
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Originally posted by Nemo
A cheating religious person?
A glutenous religious person?
A prideful religious person?
A judgmental religious person?
A.. ****gasp** sinful religious person?
Believing in God does not equate to being religious/being a part of a religion. I'm gay and I believe in God and Jesus and I would commit suicide before becoming apart of any religion. I would literally take my own life first
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I'm the same way but still consider myself a Christian, because going to church every Sunday and reading the bible every day doesn't make you a Christian. What makes me a Christian is my belief in God. Trust me I know what it's like to not want to associate yourself with Christianity. But bigots like WBC are extremists and not Christians. They have hate in their hearts and souls. Does that sound Christ like to you?
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There's many denominations in every religion.
I'm a Christian, and the God and congregation I believe in doesn't view homosexuality as a sin, but rather, a gif from God.
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Originally posted by Lord Blackout
I'm not here to discuss the types of religions out there. Just how exactly can one be a gay Jewish/Christian/Muslim. I'm aware that there are progressive churches and synagogues that accept gay people but that's something man-made, no?
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Aren't religions man made by its very nature?
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I know many openly gay muslims who truly love their religion, it's all about interpretation really.
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