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Discussion: Did Christina wait too long?
Member Since: 8/13/2012
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Originally posted by Mastamaind
Yeah, I mean a lot of people here love 'Back To Basics' but I think it was a step back, too oldish material, she could have had like a couple of oldie tracks but not the whole album!
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Yes! Stripped and B2B were HUGE risks that she took. Each album appeals to different ages and groups so people can't really grab a hold on Christina b/c her music is not consistent musically
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Member Since: 9/3/2010
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1999: Christina Aguilera
2000: A reedition or a similar album
2001: Christmas and Mi Reflejo
2002: Stripped
2004: Back to Basics
2007: Bionic
2008: The GH
2009: Burlesque
2010: Lotus
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Something similar to this would have worked.
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Member Since: 8/22/2010
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Originally posted by Guernica
The mistake break was the one after Back to Basics. Lots of new popstars rose up during 2007-2010, like Gaga, Rihanna, Katy Perry, etc. They took her spot because she didn't release anything to compete with them and show people she was still around. Then when she did release Bionic, people were preoccupied with other girls and she didn't even come up with strong material (NMT anyway). She should've released her fourth album in early-mid 2009 instead of a Greatest Hits, then put out a greatest hits in 2010. And Bionic's imagery should've been more like Keeps Gettin' Better's, which was more colorful and pop-artish instead of the black, white and red minimalist photoshoot for Bionic.
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Really agree with this. She had already started talking about doing electronic music in 2007 too. So its not like she was following trends like some many people like to say she did. I just don't know why it took the album 3 years to come out And yeah we really had an uprising of new pop girls within that year. And yeah, the label wanting that GH in 2008 really messed things up
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Originally posted by Mastamaind
Yeah, I mean a lot of people here love 'Back To Basics' but I think it was a step back, too oldish material, she could have had like a couple of oldie tracks but not the whole album!
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Yeah, it was such an extreme album in terms of how deep it went into R&B/Soul/Jazz. Not even core R&B artists go that far! And Christina's audience is more pop, so it was very alienating for people who wanted more pop or crossover songs like Dirrty. And there was a shift on pop by that time, so the songs were either too R&B for pop radio or the ballads were too orchestral (like Hurt and The Right Man) and those kinds of songs have never done well on pop. Most pop ballads that did well before that were more AC or they had an urban beat on it. She went hardcore and released songs that sound like they came straight out of a movie soundtrack lol.
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Member Since: 12/4/2008
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Originally posted by atrlster
I don't know if that particular time was a mistake. I wouldn't rule it out completely, but she did have the Spanish album, Christmas album, Nobody Wants To Be Lonely, and Lady Marmalade in between.
Waiting 4 years after Stripped for B2B was a mistake though. And then another 4 years for Bionic. Way too big of a gap
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The gap between Stripped and B2B was fine. The gap to Bionic was the problem. Worse, she did absolutely nothing in between to keep herself relevant to the public.
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Member Since: 12/7/2011
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I think she got too confident, and also the fact that Lotus cover was kind of a turn off for people.
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Member Since: 8/22/2010
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Originally posted by Mong Mong
I think she got too confident, and also the fact that Lotus cover was kind of a turn off for people.
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What do you mean too confident? You mean in taking long breaks?
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Member Since: 10/28/2011
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As already stated, the mistake occur between Back to Basics and Bionic. The time Keeps Getting Better was released should've been the time Bionic was released. And the fact that the original concept of Bionic was scrapped in favor for songs like NMT didn't help either; it made the album sound quite dated.
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Member Since: 8/13/2012
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^Ikr I love the urban songs on Bionic but I would love to hear the original Bionic that had more songs like Birds of Prey, Monday Morning etc
Christina should either release an EP (mixtape) with unreleased songs from previous albums or re-release Lotus next year with at least 6-7 new songs!
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Member Since: 8/15/2012
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Christina should also lose some weight, she is definitely NOT pulling an Adele.
Edit: (Hey, sorry Xtina stans , didn't mean it in a bad way, but I think she is keeping her weight like that because she wants to emulate/channel Adele in a poppier version.
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Member Since: 2/17/2012
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Yes, her career is pretty much over.
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Member Since: 3/13/2011
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I think her breaks were fine until Back To Basics. Stripped had enough success to tide her over for awhile. She didn't need to instantly release something then. The problem with her break with Back to Basics was that it wasn't anywhere near as successful but she took the same amount of time to release her upcoming album and by that point the anticipation was gone. People were not feeling Back To Basics enough to wait 4 years for another album from her. They just weren't. Keeps Getting Better didn't help anything either.
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Member Since: 4/7/2012
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The break between Back to Basics and Bionic was what really hurt her.
She should have released Bionic either fall 2008 or early 2009 instead of releasing that greatest hits album.
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Member Since: 10/14/2008
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No, not really. Like you said, J.Lo didn't wait like Xtina - she released album after album - and (overlooking OTF) her career is irrelevant today.
Britney waited 4 years - the exact length between B2B and Bionic, and she damaged her image in these 4 years, unlike Xtina who remained classy, yet Britney managed to have a top 3 hit and a platinum album.
It all comes down to the fact that Xtina didn't know how to treat her fame. She's too bossy and demanding. Mary J Blige once said in an interview that Britney would last longer than 10 years and not Christina because Britney is sweet, humble and likable, and that's what it takes in the industry to last.
Well said, Mary, well said.
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Member Since: 10/14/2008
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Originally posted by Rolland
Something similar to this would have worked.
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Even at that order, I think Bionic and Lotus would have each earned a 100k bonus. And that's only because they were released 2 years earlier, benefiting from how albums sold better in '08 and '10 than in '10 and '12.
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Member Since: 8/22/2010
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Originally posted by Louie
No, not really. Like you said, J.Lo didn't wait like Xtina - she released album after album - and (overlooking OTF) her career is irrelevant today.
Britney waited 4 years - the exact length between B2B and Bionic, and she damaged her image in these 4 years, unlike Xtina who remained classy, yet Britney managed to have a top 3 hit and a platinum album.
It all comes down to the fact that Xtina didn't know how to treat her fame. She's too bossy and demanding. Mary J Blige once said in an interview that Britney would last longer than 10 years and not Christina because Britney is sweet, humble and likable, and that's what it takes in the industry to last.
Well said, Mary, well said.
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This couldn't be further from reality
The difference with Britney is that she released twice the amount of albums in the same span as Christina did
And Britney's image was already pretty damaged by the time. Her break just sealed the deal in ruining her reputation for good, but yet, at the same time, it kept her in the spotlight. She had more publicity and media attention in that time than most people who release albums.
Britney didn't recover because she was "sweet". She recovered because she basically never left the exposure of the public eye. Britney supposedly being "sweet" has nothing to do with this :lmao
And that thing about Mary J Blige is when she was still severely mentally messed up and on drugs/alcohol. She misinterpreted something, and Christina and her are fine now. She even asked Christina to perform at her charity benefits.
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Member Since: 2/16/2012
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I dunno. I always feel like her image is one of the reasons she flopped now. People got used to seeing her old image for a long time. She can't pull another Adele because Adele has been like that from the beginning.
Ofc hardcore fans wouldn't mind about it, but I guess lots of people got turned off by it.
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Member Since: 8/13/2012
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Originally posted by Louie
No, not really. Like you said, J.Lo didn't wait like Xtina - she released album after album - and (overlooking OTF) her career is irrelevant today.
Britney waited 4 years - the exact length between B2B and Bionic, and she damaged her image in these 4 years, unlike Xtina who remained classy, yet Britney managed to have a top 3 hit and a platinum album.
It all comes down to the fact that Xtina didn't know how to treat her fame. She's too bossy and demanding. Mary J Blige once said in an interview that Britney would last longer than 10 years and not Christina because Britney is sweet, humble and likable, and that's what it takes in the industry to last.
Well said, Mary, well said.
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Was all that necessary? your whole post is off topic!
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Member Since: 2/24/2012
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Yes, I believe so.
It's also the same case for Avril & Nelly.
I hope Katy won't wait too long until her next era
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Member Since: 8/3/2012
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I always felt she could've done better. Cuz this is a messy release schedule
1999: Debut Album
2002: Stripped
2006: Back To Basics
2010: Bionic
Who waits that long?
Did she think she could afford to take MJ style breaks and everyone will be waiting for her
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ATRL Contributor
Member Since: 8/11/2007
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Well Christina is smart not to destroy herself with records i mean Rihanna & Beyonce don't stop and they are huge so its possible.
But i adore Christina i think she's beautiful, has a amazing voice and good songs I still don't know why she flops?
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