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Discussion: What's your stance on...? #46: Organ Donation
Member Since: 9/12/2010
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Pro-choice. Why should anyone tell a woman what to or what not to do. And what if a woman gets raped? Why should she have to keep a child that she did not want and was not ready for? But thats just my opinion.
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Member Since: 10/3/2010
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Originally posted by supaspaz
I've never really understood this argument. A fetus barely begins to develop until week 9 and its vital organs come much later -- after the first trimester, when an abortion is legal. It is not a human life yet, so why should this fetus take precedence over the mother?
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Perfectly executed response... The baby will become a person through time.... it doesn't really matter when people think an appropriate time to kill something is. Killing is wrong in all circumstances no matter what. Even if the baby isn't considered to be alive at week 9 it has been proven about 10 billion times that the fetus will develop into a living baby. Thus you are cutting that babies life short because it WILL become a baby which are considered to be alive.
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Member Since: 10/20/2008
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Originally posted by supaspaz
I'm not going to argue with you about the existence of God and what He theoretically created. But you do realize that sex is also done for pleasure, right? It is not an act purely to create a baby -- it is just the biological way in which to conceive. Also, "Why should a baby have to die because you couldn't keep your legs closed"? What a horrible thing to say. People don't enter into abortions lightly (and it's not a baby, it's a fetus).
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I'm not one of those Catholics who go, "Believe what I say or I'll hurt you!" This is a religious belief of mine, but regardless, biological need or not, children result from this act. I put fetuses and fully-developed children on the same level. Again, we're probably not going to agree on this, but it's how I've felt about it. I do know people who use abortion as a "contraceptive".
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Member Since: 3/18/2009
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Originally posted by Ustareth
I'm not one of those Catholics who go, "Believe what I say or I'll hurt you!" This is a religious belief of mine, but regardless, biological need or not, children result from this act. I put fetuses and fully-developed children on the same level. Again, we're probably not going to agree on this, but it's how I've felt about it. I do know people who use abortion as a "contraceptive".
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I understand that children result from it, but not every single time. Sex can be a purely pleasurable act, hence orgasms.
And it's too bad that there are people who use abortion as a contraceptive, especially when much safer and easier methods such as birth control and condoms exist. But they are the irresponsible few, as you find in almost any circumstance. The majority of women who have abortions do not enter into the situation lightly.
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Women should have the right to choose. As long as it isn't used as birth control I don't see the problem.
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Member Since: 8/3/2010
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Originally posted by TheGeoKing
Perfectly executed response... The baby will become a person through time.... it doesn't really matter when people think an appropriate time to kill something is. Killing is wrong in all circumstances no matter what. Even if the baby isn't considered to be alive at week 9 it has been proven about 10 billion times that the fetus will develop into a living baby. Thus you are cutting that babies life short because it WILL become a baby which are considered to be alive.
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This type of issue should be left to Women and women only to handle. Over 75% of pro-life people are males, and males have no understanding the torture, emotional stress, and physical capabilities of women and their limits. Women know what is right for them, and they should be able to say what they want, and most women are pro-choice. Pro choice is not killing a living thing, because that argument has flaws. We kill brain cells, skin cells, and other cells all the time, and they are technically alive. But you don't see angry mobs against that.
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Originally posted by TheGeoKing
Perfectly executed response... The baby will become a person through time.... it doesn't really matter when people think an appropriate time to kill something is. Killing is wrong in all circumstances no matter what. Even if the baby isn't considered to be alive at week 9 it has been proven about 10 billion times that the fetus will develop into a living baby. Thus you are cutting that babies life short because it WILL become a baby which are considered to be alive.
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True -- and that's where you enter murky moral territory, I suppose. But in the early stages of a pregnancy, the fetus has not fully developed into a human being and could not sustain on its own outside of the mother's body. It's not really alive, so you're not really killing it -- you're terminating its development process. And I understand that it has the potential to become a human life. But I think it's also important to consider what that life is. If a baby is going to live in poor conditions or if the mother is not ready to raise the baby, it is really better for it to be born?
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Member Since: 10/31/2010
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****s should keep their legs shut if they don't wanna have a baby.
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Member Since: 3/18/2009
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Originally posted by RatedGaga
We kill brain cells, skin cells, and other cells all the time, and they are technically alive. But you don't see angry mobs against that.
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We also kill animals, convicted criminals and soldiers on the battlefield, but most of society seems to see no problem in that either.
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Member Since: 9/21/2010
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Im kinda on the fence.
If the baby is going to born and going to have neglectful parents and is gonna have a hard and difficult life I can agree that the mother has the decidion to prevent her child from being raised harshly.
But If the baby was birth due to bad decisions and was a mistake. then the parents (mother) should be willing to pay the price. You make your bed now lay in it. She obviously didnt have a problem laying in the bed to be pregnant. Take the responsibility and raise your child.
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Originally posted by RatedGaga
This type of issue should be left to Women and women only to handle. Over 75% of pro-life people are males, and males have no understanding the torture, emotional stress, and physical capabilities of women and their limits. Women know what is right for them, and they should be able to say what they want, and most women are pro-choice. Pro choice is not killing a living thing, because that argument has flaws. We kill brain cells, skin cells, and other cells all the time, and they are technically alive. But you don't see angry mobs against that.
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OMG, is that true?! 
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Member Since: 10/3/2010
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Originally posted by supaspaz
True -- and that's where you enter murky moral territory, I suppose. But in the early stages of a pregnancy, the fetus has not fully developed into a human being and could not sustain on its own outside of the mother's body. It's not really alive, so you're not really killing it -- you're terminating its development process. And I understand that it has the potential to become a human life. But I think it's also important to consider what that life is. If a baby is going to live in poor conditions or if the mother is not ready to raise the baby, it is really better for it to be born?
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I would say yes. Imagine if you were the baby. You were just a little organism inside your mother's body. You couldn't perhaps think or breathe or anything but your identity of who you are is being created. Everything that you will become later in your life starts there. I think most people would choose to be alive no matter what conditions.... just to be given the chance to live is such a gift I don't think people should throw away that gift. Especially when hundreds/thousands of abortions occur everyday in the US....
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Member Since: 3/18/2009
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Originally posted by deemy
But If the baby was birth due to bad decisions and was a mistake. then the parents (mother) should be willing to pay the price. You make your bed now lay in it. She obviously didnt have a problem laying in the bed to be pregnant. Take the responsibility and raise your child.
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I just find this to be a very foolish idea -- kind of like the proverb "cutting of one's nose to spite one's face." Yes, people make mistakes. But forcing them to raise a baby because of it? Forcing a baby to suffer through a potentially damaging childhood? That's some pretty serious stuff.
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Member Since: 6/4/2010
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I honestly don't know. There are so many factors.
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Member Since: 6/29/2002
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Pro-choice, but not when it's really late in the pregnancy and the fetus could already survive outside of the mother. Also it should not be covered by health insurance unless the woman is a rape victim. I believe everyone should have power over their own bodies, but as a society we should not have to pay for accidental pregnancies.
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Member Since: 8/3/2010
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Originally posted by Katie
OMG, is that true?! |
Not that much, but close enough (not really  )
The decline in support for legal abortion fell more among men than women, from 53 to 43 percent among males and from 54 to 49 percent among females.
http://erlc.com/article/majority-of-...e-gallup-says/
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ATRL Moderator
Member Since: 3/18/2009
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Originally posted by TheGeoKing
I would say yes. Imagine if you were the baby. You were just a little organism inside your mother's body. You couldn't perhaps think or breathe or anything but your identity of who you are is being created. Everything that you will become later in your life starts there. I think most people would choose to be alive no matter what conditions.... just to be given the chance to live is such a gift I don't think people should throw away that gift. Especially when hundreds/thousands of abortions occur everyday in the US....
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But the baby can't think or understand or make that decision. And when you're coming from the perspective of a safe, happy and comfortable life, it's very easy to make that judgment.
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Member Since: 11/1/2010
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Originally posted by RatedGaga
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Lol. Shows how gullible I am.
Still....pretty high....
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Member Since: 6/4/2010
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Originally posted by Hi.Ðefinitiøn
I honestly don't know. There are so many factors.
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Although if I was a woman I'd most likely not go w/ abortion.
If anything I'd go w/ adoption regardless of how I ended up pregnant (willingly, unwillingly, etc).
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Member Since: 3/18/2009
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Originally posted by RatedGaga
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Yikes, that is a frightening statistic. It probably doesn't help that the government keeps taking away sex education in schools. People just don't always know the facts anymore.
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