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Discussion: Pokemon Cultural Appropriation Problematic?
Member Since: 11/10/2011
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Originally posted by AALIYAH DANA
Brock is clearly Asian. I'm talking about other POC like Blacks
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OK well yeah there are no clearly black characters in the game. To be honest though, the characters aren't clearly of any race (they have light skin and straight hair, but that doesn't necessarily mean they're white because some arabs and most South-East asians have light skin and straight hair as well).
But this isn't racist, because it's impossible for POC to be racist. Japanese people are victims of discrimination and oppression in the US.
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Member Since: 6/25/2012
Posts: 41,860
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Originally posted by AALIYAH DANA
So "anime style" is a excuse for erasing my blackness? What black people/ POC you know who look like the characters in "diverse skin tone selection"
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what people do you know that have eyes that big? none? cause its a cartoon
this is a nonissue
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Member Since: 8/6/2015
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You're such a troll ![toofunny3](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/korn0818/ATRL_Smilies_All/faces/toofunny3_zps08814413.gif)
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Member Since: 6/25/2012
Posts: 41,860
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Originally posted by Yndda
jinx is NOT blackface, it's actually a pokémon based off of ganguro, which is a type japanese street fashion.
ganguro is supposed to be people challenging japanese society's general concept of beauty, that is; black hair, pale skin, neutral makeup. ganguro instead had bleached their hair to white or blonde, applied fake tan to their skin, and use colourful makeup.
it has nothing to do with black people or blackface ![rip](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/korn0818/ATRLSmilies/rip_zpsec10ede9.gif)
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Member Since: 8/20/2011
Posts: 8,848
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Originally posted by AALIYAH DANA
And when they introduced POC characters they were in stereotypical roles. Like basketball players, football players, break dancer. one of the gym leaders in 5th gen literally looks like Aunt Jemima ![](https://tse1.mm.bing.net/th?&id=OIP.M689b06660342a8b4178fa29388fad604H0&w=300&h=238&c=0&pid=1.9&rs=0&p=0&r=0)
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The champion of that gen was a woman of color.
![](http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/thumb/d/d0/Black_2_White_2_Iris.png/275px-Black_2_White_2_Iris.png)
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Member Since: 5/6/2012
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Fight real racial issues please. They're anime characters. I'm a poc and I've only seen Pokemon bring people together. And from what I've seen by your posts, i'm sure nothing Nintendo could do would make you happy.
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
Posts: 26,488
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Originally posted by AALIYAH DANA
And when they introduced POC characters they were in stereotypical roles. Like basketball players, football players, break dancer. one of the gym leaders in 5th gen literally looks like Aunt Jemima ![](https://tse1.mm.bing.net/th?&id=OIP.M689b06660342a8b4178fa29388fad604H0&w=300&h=238&c=0&pid=1.9&rs=0&p=0&r=0)
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Yet she's the curator of a museum and is in an interracial relationship #stereotypes
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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Why cant this thread be reported when it's an obvious trolling attempt. ![confused](http://www.atrl.net/forums/images/smilies/images/smilies/confused.gif)
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Member Since: 5/27/2016
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Originally posted by jpow
Yet she's the curator of a museum and is in an interracial relationship #stereotypes
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Didn't they introduced a black basketball player trainer class and a break dancing black trainer class that spoke in broken English ![huh?](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/korn0818/7be5c36a.gif)
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Member Since: 9/1/2013
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So your argument is that they introduced black characters too late in their franchise, and that there is a lack of black features, thus you're upset they're introducing a black hairstyle? ![confused](http://www.atrl.net/forums/images/smilies/images/smilies/confused.gif)
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Member Since: 8/7/2015
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Shut up and stop complaining.
It's a ****ing video game.
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Member Since: 8/7/2015
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Originally posted by Yndda
jinx is NOT blackface, it's actually a pokémon based off of ganguro, which is a type japanese street fashion.
ganguro is supposed to be people challenging japanese society's general concept of beauty, that is; black hair, pale skin, neutral makeup. ganguro instead had bleached their hair to white or blonde, applied fake tan to their skin, and use colourful makeup.
it has nothing to do with black people or blackface ![rip](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/korn0818/ATRLSmilies/rip_zpsec10ede9.gif)
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Yesssss clock these brain dead fools. ![clap3](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/korn0818/67d90ee8.gif)
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Member Since: 1/4/2014
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Stop. ![Bibliotheque](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/korn0818/ATRL_Smilies_All/atrlers/biblio_zps23dff242.gif)
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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They have normal chibi anime features.
![](http://jennytrout.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/oprah-is-not-buying-it.gif)
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Member Since: 5/27/2016
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Quote:
Originally posted by Yndda
jinx is NOT blackface, it's actually a pokémon based off of ganguro, which is a type japanese street fashion.
ganguro is supposed to be people challenging japanese society's general concept of beauty, that is; black hair, pale skin, neutral makeup. ganguro instead had bleached their hair to white or blonde, applied fake tan to their skin, and use colourful makeup.
it has nothing to do with black people or blackface ![rip](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/korn0818/ATRLSmilies/rip_zpsec10ede9.gif)
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But she's 500 shades darker, and her lips look nothing like that and are way more exaggerated than that.
Did the "creator" or whatever actually say this or was this an excused made by their fanbase? Irregardless, black face or not, it's not hard to make the connection especially when:
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“Even Jynx’s name—a variation on the term ‘jinx,’ which means a bearer of bad luck-has negative connotations,” Weatherford wrote. “In addition, the name Jynx suggests a link with witch doctors and voodoo, practices rooted in African religion but often ridiculed by Western culture.”
The problematic nature of Jynx’s aesthetic is made that much worse when you take into account the Pokémon’s unique traits. Most of Jynx’s mannerisms and attacks revolve around concepts of love, sensuality, and attraction. What’s more, a number of Pokédex entries use the same type of racist language historically used to describe black women as simple-minded, preternaturally sensual beings.
“It seductively wiggles its hips as it walks,” the 1997 Pokémon Red Pokédex described. “It can cause people to dance in unison with it.”
Pokémon Stadium, a follow-up Nintendo 64 game to the Pokémon series described Jynx as speaking in a “strange, incomprehensible language” and noting that the species “is known for its weird wiggling that causes people to dance.”
Remember that Jynx, like all Pokémon, is only capable of saying its own name; its language shouldn’t be any more incomprehensible than a Pikachu’s. Later games describe Jynx’s language as “[sounding] like human speech,” while nothing that “it is impossible to tell what it is trying to say.”
These descriptions all bear a striking resemblance to traditional racist characterizations of different African languages as being difficult to understand.
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![@michael.](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/korn0818/ATRL_Smilies_All/atrlers/micheal_zps45ccf519.gif) You can't really blame people for thinking so
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Member Since: 5/27/2016
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Originally posted by Ryanicorn
But she's 500 shades darker, and her lips look nothing like that.
Did the "creator" or whatever actually say this or was this an excused made by their fanbase? Irregardless, black face or not, it's not hard to make the connection especially when:
![@michael.](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/korn0818/ATRL_Smilies_All/atrlers/micheal_zps45ccf519.gif) You can't really blame people for thinking so
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! Not to mention if it wasn't a issue they would had NOT changed jynx to be purple! Jynx literally looks like those sambo racist characters from those old cartoons ![Bibliotheque](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/korn0818/ATRL_Smilies_All/atrlers/biblio_zps23dff242.gif)
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Member Since: 5/27/2016
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Originally posted by Pavement Princess
So your argument is that they introduced black characters too late in their franchise, and that there is a lack of black features, thus you're upset they're introducing a black hairstyle? ![confused](http://www.atrl.net/forums/images/smilies/images/smilies/confused.gif)
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My issue is that the game is trying to profit off black culture with little to none black people in their game
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
Posts: 26,488
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#stereotypes
Veteran
Artist
Rising Star
Schoolgirl
Ranger
Stop handpicking characters and things from the games to be mad about.
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Quote:
Originally posted by AALIYAH DANA
! Not to mention if it wasn't a issue they would had NOT changed jynx to be purple! Jynx literally looks like those sambo racist characters from those old cartoons ![Bibliotheque](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/korn0818/ATRL_Smilies_All/atrlers/biblio_zps23dff242.gif)
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I've noticed that too and have others ![JonnyϟLightning](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/korn0818/ATRL_Smilies_All/atrlers/jonny_zpsc73391c5.png) Like, if this is something in Japanese culture that's "normal", then...great? But you can't deny how it'll look to western audiences, especially when there are people who still think blackface is ok.
Slay @ your report getting cleared btw ![clap3](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/korn0818/67d90ee8.gif)
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