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Chart Listings: Billboard explains recent changes
Member Since: 11/7/2011
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Originally posted by americanshameless
Billboard is now definitely one of the the worst charting systems in the world.
Especially for a country where music sales are the highest.
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This is a mess.
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I can't take them serious anymore. 
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Baauer is cute though 
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If 20-30% streaming is the target then they shouldnt allow a song to blow up to 90% streaming points, trebling the points of #2 in the chart.
It shows that the formula just sucks. It IS the parody videos which has messed this up.
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Werde specifically addressed 30-second memes as they relate to measuring fans' engagement with songs on the Hot 100. I.e., if people take the time to record a video featuring a song, doesn't that clearly reflect a level of interest in that song, perhaps regardless of the length of the song used? "Some ask why we would include the 30 seconds of 'Shake' as a play that should count. There is some technological logic, such as the already existent inclusion of Spotify streams or radio mixshow plays that all can count with much less than the full song.
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This argument is complete crap. It takes about 30 seconds to crop some audio and apply it into a video. People do it for youtube VIEWS. They couldn't care less about the song. It's just jumping on a meme.
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i think the youtube rule is good ONLY TILL they incluse the official audios and video of the song!! not every single relevant or irrelevant parody video made off of the song...!!!
just cuz people are now making goat versions of Trouble and dozens of different songs doesnt mean they like the song.. neither does it mean that all the people viewing it are cuz they like the song!! 
it a HUGELY flawed theory!!!! like its a great factor to include while computing the popularity of the song, but they have spread it out so much its got a dozen holes in it!! 
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They just need to give steaming like half the power and weight it has now and everything will be fine.
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Member Since: 3/6/2011
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Well to an extent, being popular and liked are two different things. Hot 100 is a popularity chart, so parodies still show how popular a song is, regardless of the fact that the creator of the video likes the song or not.
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Originally posted by theREALslimSHADY
i think the youtube rule is good ONLY TILL they incluse the official audios and video of the song!! not every single relevant or irrelevant parody video made off of the song...!!!
just cuz people are now making goat versions of Trouble and dozens of different songs doesnt mean they like the song.. neither does it mean that all the people viewing it are cuz they like the song!!
it a HUGELY flawed theory!!!! like its a great factor to include while computing the popularity of the song, but they have spread it out so much its got a dozen holes in it!! |
This. It needs to be official videos and official audio videos ONLY. Otherwise it's way too messy.
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It made sense to include OFFICIAL videos, but including parody videos is just asking for a mess.
The huge hole in the reasoning is that Harlem Shake is a meme for the dance, not the song, and you can't presume that people making these videos care about the song over the views or 'joining in'.
Billboard, you're a music chart, not a measurer of pop culture.
Just wait till labels/PR get to grips with this change and start to play the game.
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What kind of failed excuses? This new formula is horrible and should be stopped. 
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Member Since: 5/4/2011
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Originally posted by toanythingtaboo
It made sense to include OFFICIAL videos, but including parody videos is just asking for a mess.
The huge hole in the reasoning is that Harlem Shake is a meme for the dance, not the song, and you can't presume that people making these videos care about the song over the views or 'joining in'.
Billboard, you're a music chart, not a measurer of pop culture.
Just wait till labels/PR get to grips with this change and start to play the game.
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I enjoyed reading this because I can't help but think ATRL's overall view on this (not yours) would be different if Billboard were including all the short videos of people doing the "Single Ladies" dance a couple of years back. Sometimes it's actually relevant to include viral videos/memes in music because even if people are only watching for a dance, they're still enjoying a direct product from the song itself, if that makes sense.
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Member Since: 11/16/2011
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Originally posted by H-I-M
So if a video goes viral for example in Europe, but not in the US (=0 sales and 0 airplay), it could still go #1 on the Hot100 ?
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The decision to add YouTube streaming data (from users only in the U.S.) into the Hot 100's formula hasn't been without controversy. But, I think few would argue, as you concede, that YouTube is clearly a key indicator of music popularity now.
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It's only counted if you're from US sis.
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Let's be honest Harlem shake is the most popular song in the country.Isn't it?When Britney and Gaga first singles are number ones because of digital sales in first week,and no one except their fans knows it it's normal?And this is not?Isn't charts all about the most popular songs?
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This new rule is a mess and not really thought out (as is just about every other rule Billboard has come up with in recent years), but I wonder how many people here are sincerely against the rule and how many are against the rule only until it benefits their favorite artists. This is how it usually works here on ATRL.
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Member Since: 3/16/2012
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Well, the song itself has triggered one of biggest dance crazes in recent memory, whether people listen to it for 30 seconds or longer. It is the most popular song right now, there's no arguing that.
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Originally posted by JungleDisturbia
I enjoyed reading this because I can't help but think ATRL's overall view on this (not yours) would be different if Billboard were including all the short videos of people doing the "Single Ladies" dance a couple of years back. Sometimes it's actually relevant to include viral videos/memes in music because even if people are only watching for a dance, they're still enjoying a direct product from the song itself, if that makes sense.
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I agree 100%, with Single Ladies, there were thousands and thousands of videos of people doing the dance, that was a direct product of the song. Those videos pushed the song to even higher success.
The only thing is, it poses an issue when we consistently have these viral songs that are low in quality (Rebecca Black - Friday) and are only viewed as a joke. We'll also have an influx of people creating videos for their fave's new single to help it reach a higher standpoint on Hot 100. Theoretically, anyone can sing a HORRIBLE song, dance in their underwear in their bedroom and become a Hot 100 hit.. The system is flawed.
I DO agree 'Harlem Shake' deserves to reap the benefits of it's success, it's a relevant piece of music.
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This man is so ****ing stupid. He's so god damn annoying
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Originally posted by Lose My Breath
I agree 100%, with Single Ladies, there were thousands and thousands of videos of people doing the dance, that was a direct product of the song. Those videos pushed the song to even higher success.
The only thing is, it poses an issue when we consistently have these viral songs that are low in quality (Rebecca Black - Friday) and are only viewed as a joke. We'll also have an influx of people creating videos for their fave's new single to help it reach a higher standpoint on Hot 100. Theoretically, anyone can sing a HORRIBLE song, dance in their underwear in their bedroom and become a Hot 100 hit.. The system is flawed.
I DO agree 'Harlem Shake' deserves to reap the benefits of it's success, it's a relevant piece of music.
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Yes, what you're saying is correct. But a song is a song, no matter if you believe it's a joke or "low quality". I do agree with what you're saying but looking at it in the most objective way possible, "Friday" was still extremely popular despite everyone hating it. People were checking it out and talking about it, even if it's just a "joke song", you know? A song is a song and if it manages to get people talking and becomes the most talked about / imitated / parodied in a single week, then they still deserve that success whether we feel they "deserve" it or not.
It's a weird system that definitely has it's kinks and needs to be sorted out but the actual idea and overall standpoint of Billboard isn't one that is deserving of this "backlash" on ATRL.
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Billboard explains recent changes
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