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Video Clip: Caitlyn Jenner's speech at the ESPYs.
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I actually liked the speech. I'm glad she mentioned a trans woman of color who committed suicide. Real issues here. Also stop the transphobia. Educate yourselves please. Trans people don't need additional negativity within the "community".
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If we ever discover a psychiatric treatment to cure gender dysphoria. We are going to look back at moments like these with such embarrassment. While listening to this born male talking about being a woman so earnestly, on a huge platform as the audience docilely absorb his spiel, I can't help but think - What if we are just enablers?
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Originally posted by Javan
If we ever discover a psychiatric treatment to cure gender dysmorphia. We are going to look back at moments like these with such embarrassment. While listening to this born male talking about being a woman so earnestly, on a huge platform as the audience docilely absorb his spiel, I can't help but think - What if we are just enablers?
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Hihi, I love the smell of someone who isn't happy with their own life.
Keep on slaying, Caitlyn.
EDIT: Btw, it's dysphoria, not dysmorphia, dummy.
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She looked so good and spoke so well
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Great speech.
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Originally posted by Javan
If we ever discover a psychiatric treatment to cure gender dysphoria. We are going to look back at moments like these with such embarrassment. While listening to this born male talking about being a woman so earnestly, on a huge platform as the audience docilely absorb his spiel, I can't help but think - What if we are just enablers?
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The remedy for the dysphoria is gender reassignment surgery. That is the 'cure'. Don't be obtuse.
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Amazing speech and amazing woman.
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Originally posted by Javan
If we ever discover a psychiatric treatment to cure gender dysphoria. We are going to look back at moments like these with such embarrassment. While listening to this born male talking about being a woman so earnestly, on a huge platform as the audience docilely absorb his spiel, I can't help but think - What if we are just enablers?
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Why do you have an issue with someone else's gender identity?
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Member Since: 11/28/2011
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Originally posted by Su-Barbie-A
Hihi, I love the smell of someone who isn't happy with their own life.
Keep on slaying, Caitlyn.
EDIT: Btw, it's dysphoria, not dysmorphia, dummy.
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Fixed. And no. I detested the transracial, transpecies/tigerman comparisons. But only out of sympathy of the community. But maybe this really is no different to any other mental illness. I thought since they weren't hurting anyone, why does it matter. But that was until I was exposed to the unacknowledged group of trans who hated themselves more after surgery. Just swept under the rug like that. But would you like to explain your rationale in separating trans from Tigerman? Because I am at a loss.
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Originally posted by Javan
If we ever discover a psychiatric treatment to cure gender dysphoria. We are going to look back at moments like these with such embarrassment. While listening to this born male talking about being a woman so earnestly, on a huge platform as the audience docilely absorb his spiel, I can't help but think - What if we are just enablers?
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Why not just let people be who they want to be? Why does it matter to you? How does it effect your life? Live and let live. Let the light in.
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I nearly cried, **** the haters, so glad that she is doing this, I hope every kid that is seeing this and is confused about who they are has felt like they deserve respect and to live.
I saw some pressed people in the audience tho whatever she is a queen
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Member Since: 11/28/2011
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Originally posted by bowdown
Great speech.
The remedy for the dysphoria is gender reassignment surgery. That is the 'cure'. Don't be obtuse.
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Originally posted by Jack!
Why do you have an issue with someone else's gender identity?
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I never did b4. Because I figured they aren't hurting anyone, or even themselves. But I can't help but wonder, is it morally acceptable to support and encourage those who are not in the right state of mind to dismember themselves in such a way? This become apparent after the story of the depressed woman who wanted to be euthanised. How can we advocate these permanent decisions when the person making them are not in the right frame of mind? Sounds like enabling tbh. And we may very well see it that way in decades time.
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Javan is such a closet case.
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I shed a tear.
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Member Since: 11/28/2011
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Originally posted by Cap10Planet
Javan is such a closet case.
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a closet trans?
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Originally posted by Speezy
this is the first time im hearing her speak
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Man, it was wtf at first, but I got used to it.
What a beautiful speech.
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She's such an inspiration
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Originally posted by Javan
I never did b4. Because I figured they aren't hurting anyone, or even themselves. But I can't help but wonder, is it morally acceptable to support and encourage those who are not in the right state of mind to dismember themselves in such a way? This become apparent after the story of the depressed woman who wanted to be euthanised. How can we advocate these permanent decisions when the person making them are not in the right frame of mind? Sounds like enabling tbh. And we may very well see it that way in decades time.
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Most of the depression stems from gender dysphoria. Once the gender reassignment surgery takes place, the depression generally goes away. People get surgery all the time to cure illnesses, is getting a tumour removed surgically 'dismembering" the patient?
If there was another "cure" that "fixed" the gender dysphoria, then so be it - but I think it's a much more complicated neurological situation than a simple pill would ever be able to fix.
I'm sure a lot of the depression Trans people experience is due to the way people in society ostracize them. Perhaps when they become less stigmatized by society, the negative psychological aspects will lessen.
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Originally posted by bowdown
Most of the depression stems from gender dysphoria. Once the gender reassignment surgery takes place, the depression generally goes away. People get surgery all the time to cure illnesses, is getting a tumour removed surgically 'dismembering" the patient?
If there was another "cure" that "fixed" the gender dysphoria, then so be it - but I think it's a much more complicated neurological situation than a simple pill would ever be able to fix.
I'm sure a lot of the depression Trans people experience is due to the way people in society ostracize them. Perhaps when they become less stigmatized by society, the negative psychological aspects will lessen.
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That's actually not true...there's been research that shows the suicide rate goes up after the surgery because they continue being unhappy with the results and realize that there's so much they have to change to feel ok
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Originally posted by GanjaSebert
That's actually not true...there's been research that shows the suicide rate goes up after the surgery because they continue being unhappy with the results and realize that there's so much they have to change to feel ok
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I wouldn't take your word for it but if that's true. That's crazy. No one talks about this
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Originally posted by bowdown
Most of the depression stems from gender dysphoria. Once the gender reassignment surgery takes place, the depression generally goes away. People get surgery all the time to cure illnesses, is getting a tumour removed surgically 'dismembering" the patient?
I'm sure a lot of the depression Trans people experience is due to the way people in society ostracize them. Perhaps when they become less stigmatized by society, the negative psychological aspects will lessen.
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Hollup. Did you really just compare GRS to a tumor removal?
Tumors can be deadly na?
But I mean, they're minds are telling them something that's not true. That's alarming. How is this any different to the man who believes he is a cat?
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