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Discussion: Your thoughts on the "Ground Zero Mosque"
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What is their reason for wanting to put the Mosque/Cultural Center right next to Ground Zero?
Why does the guy in charge of it not see Hamas as a terrorist organization?
Ground Zero is an ultimate reminder to the American people of the horrible tragedy that occurred on 9/11. Not that Muslims in the US are associated with it, but everyone knows that every terrorist practiced Islam. Ground Zero and the surrounding area should be a site of peace, Americanism, and Patriotism, all as reminder of the thousands of people who died that day.
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There is a small open space for development in Manhattan that happens to be a few blocks away from the WTC site.
Muslims ≠ terrorists. There is religious freedom in this country. This will not affect your life, or the life of anyone else who does not want to visit this place, in any way. Stop worrying about it.
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REALLY? Not affecting my life or victims of the attack? I personally know SEVERAL people whose parents or family members died in the attack. How do you think they feel? The TRUTH is....this is a big **** YOU to the victims and families of victims of the attacks, THAT IS ALL
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See, you're getting yourself all mad and all worked up over something that really doesn't affect you at all. The victims' families won't be affected either unless they also manage to convince themselves that it means anything, when it doesn't.
Take a step back, chill out and ask yourself if the existence of that little cultural center on Park Place is really gonna make your life any worse. What will it take away from you that you have now? I think you'll be fine. Give it a rest.
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like i said, it's just a big **** YOU. I am a proud American and I know what's right for the victims.
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I have nothing against people of the Muslim faith. I know, being an informed person, that not all Muslims are terrorists. In fact, very few of them are. However, this construction seems so very deliberate it's almost like they are ASKING for people to have a problem with it. 9/11 is a tragedy that upset everyone, across the board. It is better to keep the area around it a memorial to those who were lost that day.
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I don't see a reason as to why they can't build it there.....
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Originally posted by GaGaFan
I have nothing against people of the Muslim faith. I know, being an informed person, that not all Muslims are terrorists. In fact, very few of them are. However, this construction seems so very deliberate it's almost like they are ASKING for people to have a problem with it. 9/11 is a tragedy that upset everyone, across the board. It is better to keep the area around it a memorial to those who were lost that day.
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THANK YOU! FINALLY SOMEBODY GETS IT!
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Originally posted by Aliens & Rainbows
I don't see a reason as to why they can't build it there.....
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I don't see a reason as to why they should build it there...
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QUESTION: Considering that this little building isn't even visible from the WTC site, what do you believe is the radius (in miles) from the WTC site that the government should ban the construction of any religious cultural centers?
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We have religious freedom in America. They have a right to worship wherever they like. I work in Manhattan and this is a complete non-issue to me. It is private land so as long as the regulations of New York City are adhered to, anyone can purchase it and use it for any legal means. Case closed.
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Originally posted by TC
QUESTION: Considering that this little building isn't even visible from the WTC site, what do you believe is the radius (in miles) from the WTC site that the government should ban the construction of any religious cultural centers?
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The building it is planned was actually destroyed on 9/11...so anywhere that is out of the radius of destruction is fine with me
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Originally posted by TC
QUESTION: Considering that this little building isn't even visible from the WTC site, what do you believe is the radius (in miles) from the WTC site that the government should ban the construction of any religious cultural centers?
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Okay I understand what you mean, but that's not really even the point. The fact of the matter is that when people hear about it from ANY news station, they do get the wrong impression about what exactly is being built. The fact that this center-thingy is being built even remotely close to the site of one of the most significantly horrifying and devastating tragedies in the past 50 years which was instigated by radicals who share the same Islamic faith. Of course the people building the center and going to worship there will not be radicals like the 9/11 attackers. However, the public response and controversy is inevitable.
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Originally posted by discostickk23
I don't see a reason as to why they should build it there...
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Exactly, it's like they are asking for troubles, imo.
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Originally posted by yankee04
We have religious freedom in America. They have a right to worship wherever they like. I work in Manhattan and this is a complete non-issue to me. It is private land so as long as the regulations of New York City are adhered to, anyone can purchase it and use it for any legal means. Case closed.
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Bingo.
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Originally posted by GaGaFan
The fact of the matter is that when people hear about it from ANY news station, they do get the wrong impression about what exactly is being built.
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Maybe it's the responsibility of "news" outlets to provide accurate information and put things in proper context, instead of trying to make people afraid and mad about things that aren't actually bad and don't really affect them?
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I think it was a stupid place to put it, but at the same time I believe most people are over reacting. Not all Islamic people are bad just like not all Christians are good.
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This article combines two of my favorite things, Sarah Palin hate and the bastardization of American principles by those that claim to best protect our rights, to perfectly sum up my thoughts on this issue.
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Suppose there were a heavily Muslim neighborhood in New York, with mosques, religious schools and shops with meat prepared according to Islamic dietary rules. Suppose an evangelical church wanted to build a chapel there. And suppose local Muslims tried to block it as a flagrant insult to them.
Would Sarah Palin urge the church to retract this "unnecessary provocation" in the "interest of healing"? Would her followers? Or would they scorn this disparagement of Christianity and champion the religious freedom on which America was built?
You know the answer. But Palin is not a slave to intellectual consistency. Change the church to a mosque, and put it a couple of blocks from the site of the World Trade Center, and she suddenly loses all patience with the rights of religious believers.
This week, she posted Twitter comments urging Muslims and New Yorkers to put a stop to a proposed Islamic community center near ground zero because the pain from the 9/11 attacks "is too raw, too real."
The people who live in the vicinity don't seem to agree. The local community board voted 29-1 to approve the project, which would include a swimming pool, gym, child-care center, performing arts space and other facilities open to the public.
No one objects to putting up other new buildings in the neighborhood. Nor is anyone trying to close down businesses that seem slightly incompatible with the horror that happened there — including a strip club and an off-track betting parlor. The only objection to the Islamic center is that it is Islamic.
For some conservatives, anything Muslim has no place there. When Tea Party Express chairman Mark Williams was forced to resign for writing a racist satire, he said he was stepping down so he could concentrate on fighting the ground zero mosque, which he says would honor "the terrorists' monkey god."
A group called the National Republican Trust Political Action Committee says that "to celebrate that murder of 3,000 Americans, they want to build a monstrous 13-story mosque at ground zero."
Of course, the "they" who planned and executed the 9/11 attacks are not the same "they" who want to erect this structure. Both groups are made up of Muslims. But associating all Muslims with al-Qaida is like equating all Christians with the Ku Klux Klan.
The number of violent extremists in the American Islamic community is microscopically small. The Federal Bureau of Investigation has reported that of terrorist attacks carried out in the United States between 1980 and 2005, only 6 percent were committed by radical Muslims.
A recent study by researchers at Duke University and the University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill, found one reason the number is so low is that "Muslim religious and community leaders … consistently condemned political violence in public sermons and private conversations."
Palin's position is hard to reconcile with the reverence she and her fans claim to hold for the framers, who gave the highest protection to religious freedom.
Anti-Muslim groups think Islam cannot be tolerated because it is inherently violent and totalitarian. Most Muslims disagree. But what if it were? The First Amendment guarantees the freedom of all faiths, not just the ones that are peaceful and tolerant.
The delegates to the Constitutional Convention had experience with people whose religions were oppressive — such as 17th-century New England Puritans, who executed Quakers for daring to preach in Massachusetts, or Catholics, who burned heretics in Europe. The framers knew religion could be dangerous, and they protected it anyway.
The First Amendment goes beyond protecting mere beliefs. It says, "Congress shall make no law ... prohibiting the free exercise" of religion.
Free exercise includes the right of the faithful to preach, to worship together and to construct buildings for those activities. If the Constitution doesn't allow a ban on churches or synagogues at ground zero, it doesn't allow a veto for mosques.
As James Madison wrote, "Whilst we assert for ourselves a freedom to embrace, to profess and to observe the religion which we believe to be of divine origin, we cannot deny an equal freedom to those whose minds have not yet yielded to the evidence which has convinced us."
Palin got grief for saying Muslims should "refudiate" the mosque, which raised questions about her command of English. But the real question is: What part of "no law" does she not understand?
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http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2...mosque-muslims
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It's a free country.
Terrorists does not equal Muslims.
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I wish I could help you all, but I can't. There are few people who see it, and then a few don't. This is an absolute intentional act by that organization and they refuse to put the mosque anywhere but 200 meters from Ground Zero. Its just really sad to see this delusion and how people don't have sympathy for those victims of 9/11.
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