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Discussion: Why's no one trying to be iconic anymore?
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Originally posted by alestevens
Ariana, Selena and Demi sell a lot of singles, get played on radio a lot, get a lot of streams and most importantly, they sell them tickets to their tours. Not sure if you gave the best of examples on your post!
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All three are beyond mediocre and aren't on the level of Gaga, Beyoncé, Rihanna, Katy etc.
They're always gonna be second tier B listers they're just not good or exciting enough
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The new batch seems afraid and frankly, just not creative
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Originally posted by musicgirl224
It's just a reflection of the current state the industry is in. Labels have been signing semi-good looking kids with absolutely no musical talent because they're popular on social media. What they don't understand, is social media followers are NOT a buying fan base. How come Ariana Grande has like 293838833828 followers and can't even go platinum in the US? Even with all those hits? How come Austin Mahone could get like 10 million views on his covers yet he's the definition of a flop? How come Shawn Mendes has like a massive array of fan girls following him on vine, YouTube, etc. and his album hasn't even sold 200k?? Selena Gomez and Demi Lovato are the most famous Disney girls at this point (behind Miley Cyrus obviously) and have MILLIONS upon MILLIONS following them on the Internet. Yet, their music flops every time.
The people that the industry are pushing are the absolute definition of mediocre. I personally think it's a HUGE reason why sales have dropped. The new "artists" are merely half-assed manufactured teenagers or young 20 somethings that don't have any star power or talent.
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Originally posted by musicgirl224
It's just a reflection of the current state the industry is in. Labels have been signing semi-good looking kids with absolutely no musical talent because they're popular on social media. What they don't understand, is social media followers are NOT a buying fan base. How come Ariana Grande has like 293838833828 followers and can't even go platinum in the US? Even with all those hits? How come Austin Mahone could get like 10 million views on his covers yet he's the definition of a flop? How come Shawn Mendes has like a massive array of fan girls following him on vine, YouTube, etc. and his album hasn't even sold 200k?? Selena Gomez and Demi Lovato are the most famous Disney girls at this point (behind Miley Cyrus obviously) and have MILLIONS upon MILLIONS following them on the Internet. Yet, their music flops every time.
The people that the industry are pushing are the absolute definition of mediocre. I personally think it's a HUGE reason why sales have dropped. The new "artists" are merely half-assed manufactured teenagers or young 20 somethings that don't have any star power or talent.
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Hit the nail on the head. As much as I love some, they're basic, generic, and do not have the full package, discipline, creativity, and worth ethic to be true pop stars. It's actually sad to watch people freak out over nothing vs. the stuff I saw growing up.
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Rather make history than some fedora
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Originally posted by musicgirl224
It's just a reflection of the current state the industry is in. Labels have been signing semi-good looking kids with absolutely no musical talent because they're popular on social media. What they don't understand, is social media followers are NOT a buying fan base. How come Ariana Grande has like 293838833828 followers and can't even go platinum in the US? Even with all those hits? How come Austin Mahone could get like 10 million views on his covers yet he's the definition of a flop? How come Shawn Mendes has like a massive array of fan girls following him on vine, YouTube, etc. and his album hasn't even sold 200k?? Selena Gomez and Demi Lovato are the most famous Disney girls at this point (behind Miley Cyrus obviously) and have MILLIONS upon MILLIONS following them on the Internet. Yet, their music flops every time.
The people that the industry are pushing are the absolute definition of mediocre. I personally think it's a HUGE reason why sales have dropped. The new "artists" are merely half-assed manufactured teenagers or young 20 somethings that don't have any star power or talent.
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Because most (if not all) of today's pop stars are always so transparent when they try to be "set apart" and it's cringe-worthy. They even try their hardest to emulate past pop stars such as Madonna, MJ, Whitney, etc.
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In order to be iconic you have to controversial (Miley's VMA's performance) and that turns the public off.
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Originally posted by musicgirl224
It's just a reflection of the current state the industry is in. Labels have been signing semi-good looking kids with absolutely no musical talent because they're popular on social media. What they don't understand, is social media followers are NOT a buying fan base. How come Ariana Grande has like 293838833828 followers and can't even go platinum in the US? Even with all those hits? How come Austin Mahone could get like 10 million views on his covers yet he's the definition of a flop? How come Shawn Mendes has like a massive array of fan girls following him on vine, YouTube, etc. and his album hasn't even sold 200k?? Selena Gomez and Demi Lovato are the most famous Disney girls at this point (behind Miley Cyrus obviously) and have MILLIONS upon MILLIONS following them on the Internet. Yet, their music flops every time.
The people that the industry are pushing are the absolute definition of mediocre. I personally think it's a HUGE reason why sales have dropped. The new "artists" are merely half-assed manufactured teenagers or young 20 somethings that don't have any star power or talent.
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OBSESSED with this answer.
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Originally posted by ryanpittman97
In order to be iconic you have to controversial (Miley's VMA's performance) and that turns the public off.
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Try applying that logic to Whitney Houston and Michael Jackson..
You don't HAVE to be controversial to be iconic. Obviously that's what Madonnas career was pretty much centered around but Frank Sinatra is iconic and didn't twerk his ass to jazz music. Elvis is iconic and didn't need a nude scandal to help him sell more albums. The Beatles are iconic and they never made sex tapes.
Sometimes, raw and massive talent alone is enough to make someone iconic. The only person from this current crop of stars that is ACTUALLY shaping up to be iconic is clearly Adele. Deservedly too. Being amidst a bunch of lazy uninspired peers makes it SOO much easier for her as well.
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Originally posted by musicgirl224
All three are beyond mediocre and aren't on the level of Gaga, Beyoncé, Rihanna, Katy etc.
They're always gonna be second tier B listers they're just not good or exciting enough
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Ariana is musically more interesting than Katy and Gaga at the moment.
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Originally posted by musicgirl224
Try applying that logic to Whitney Houston and Michael Jackson..
You don't HAVE to be controversial to be iconic. Obviously that's what Madonnas career was pretty much centered around but Frank Sinatra is iconic and didn't twerk his ass to jazz music. Elvis is iconic and didn't need a nude scandal to help him sell more albums. The Beatles are iconic and they never made sex tapes.
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Elvis most memorable performance was considered very risqué at the time (look it up) and MJ relied on controversy as well.
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Originally posted by ryanpittman97
Ariana is musically more interesting than Katy and Gaga at the moment.
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Ariana Grande is as manufactured and boring as they come. The sad thing is, she actually had a great voice until they told her to sing through her nose and slur her words as much as possible. She was the one that had the most potential to not be boring and bland but she took the easy road and well, she's as basic as the rest of them
Not to mention Focus is one of the worst songs I've ever heard. Ever.
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Originally posted by musicgirl224
Ariana Grande is as manufactured and boring as they come. The sad thing is, she actually had a great voice until they told her to sing through her nose and slur her words as much as possible. She was the one that had the most potential to not be boring and bland but she took the easy road and well, she's as basic as the rest of them
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Ariana isn't manufactured she's worked very hard to get to where she's gotten to today and she's released some of the best music out of the current crop of popstars not to mention she's a great vocalist. You must be a fan of "real music!!1!"
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Not everyone can be Harry styles
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Not to mention most of these new artist are only 3/4 years into their careers and still have time to grow musically.
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Originally posted by ryanpittman97
Ariana isn't manufactured she's worked very hard to get to where she's gotten to today and she's released some of the best music out of the current crop of popstars not to mention she's a great vocalist. You must be a fan of "real music!!1!"
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I'll give credit where credit is due. Her first album is actually quite good and she was shaping up to be a huge breakout star until she decided to go down the easy route and Max Martin-ify her music, and Katy Perry 2.0 her image. Sorry, at this point, there's nothing groundbreaking or special about Ariana Grande. And she is also the definition of manufactured, idk how you define that word but most people would probably consider her it..
Britney Spears is the definition of teen icon done RIGHT. Britney in her peak literally takes dumps on the current crop of tweenybop girls, such as Ariana, Demi, Selena, etc. Again, everyone nowadays is so damn half-assed and mediocre
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Originally posted by musicgirl224
I'll give credit where credit is due. Her first album is actually quite good and she was shaping up to be a huge breakout star until she decided to go down the easy route and Max Martin-ify her music, and Katy Perry 2.0 her image. Sorry, at this point, there's nothing groundbreaking or special about Ariana Grande. She's mediocre. That's the whole point of this thread.
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Katy and Ariana are nothing alike the purpose of this thread was to complain about the current state of music because YOU don't feel a connection to it.
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Comparing Ariana to Britney
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Originally posted by ryanpittman97
Katy and Ariana are nothing alike the purpose of this thread was to complain about the current state of music because YOU don't feel a connection to it.
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You're right. I don't. But based on everyone's responses in here, most don't. The mediocrity is ruining the industry
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