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Discussion: Pollstar: "Rihanna grosses false; Team refused to cooperate"
Member Since: 10/29/2010
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Originally posted by Schoolin' Life
I mean, this is Atrl, logic is almost mon existent here. People were celebrating Beyonce Antwerp gross reported by Billboard when it was obviously half of what is should be with only one date reported out of two  |
They seem to have selective memory.
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They cooperated with the promoters etc and that's the numbers they have for her. It stands. If Def Jam wasn't so sneaky and weren't obviously trying to cover up something, then I could see the Navy's point.
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Member Since: 10/13/2009
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Pollstar went by what was given to them by the promoters and venues. Her team didnt give up any info because they are clearly ashamed of something. If the tour was so huge then why not provide the receipts? OH.
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Member Since: 3/4/2012
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Seems like they're ashamed 
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Member Since: 8/9/2012
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Originally posted by DG1
They seem to have selective memory. |
Billboard gets their numbers from an Artist's team. Pollstar makes theirs up.
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ATRL Senior Member
Member Since: 3/22/2012
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I'm not saying her gross would be lower - it could easily and likely have been higher, I know - but it seems strange to me that her team didn't cooperate. Hopefully everything is straightened up and we get her more solid, official numbers at some point.
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ATRL Senior Member
Member Since: 3/22/2012
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Originally posted by RudeBoyy
Billboard gets their numbers from an Artist's team. Pollstar makes theirs up.
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I think you're misrepresenting the situation - Pollstar estimated (not made up) the numbers for one star because her team refused to supply all the dates; other stars are accurate as their teams supplied full information.
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Member Since: 4/29/2012
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Rihanna's team is just a mess and always has been, it's this surprising?
They even said Rihanna made $23M in the US when we have confirmation she did $31M they said 308K in attendance when it's actually ~410K.
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Member Since: 8/16/2011
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So her gross is probably actually lower? 
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Member Since: 3/15/2013
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The self-drag
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Member Since: 12/5/2011
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Waiting for Billboard tbh.
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Member Since: 1/6/2012
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Originally posted by Sunshine.
So her gross is probably actually lower? |
Navy ignoring this side of the story and already celebrating that her gross could make it to top 10. 
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Member Since: 12/4/2011
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Billboard reported boxscores:
March 8, 2013 Buffalo First Niagara Center 15,614 / 15,614 $1,117,147
March 14, 2013 Philadelphia Wells Fargo Center 15,095 / 15,095 $1,080,298
March 15, 2013 Hartford XL Center 10,985 / 10,985 $842,941
March 17, 2013 Montreal Canada Bell Centre 16,054 / 16,054 $1,278,497
March 18, 2013 & March 19, 2013 Toronto Air Canada Centre 32,038 / 32,038 $2,498,532 (2/2)
March 21, 2013 Detroit United States Joe Louis Arena 15,349 / 15,349 $937,674
March 22, 2013 Chicago United Center 15,902 / 15,902 $1,234,380
March 24, 2013 St. Paul Xcel Energy Center 10,929 / 10,929 $780,143
March 25, 2013 Winnipeg Canada MTS Centre 10,649 / 10,649 $880,893
March 27, 2013 Edmonton Rexall Place 13,133 / 13,133 $1,008,532
March 30, 2013 Calgary Scotiabank Saddledome 13,495 / 13,495 $1,012,286
April 1, 2013 Vancouver Rogers Arena 14,879 / 14,879 $1,153,688
April 3, 2013 Seattle United States KeyArena 10,906 / 10,906 $782,027
April 6, 2013 San Jose HP Pavilion 14,027 / 14,027 $1,047,778
April 8, 2013 Los Angeles Staples Center 14,882 / 14,882 $1,297,755
April 9, 2013 Anaheim Honda Center 11,050 / 11,050 $950,442
April 11, 2013 San Diego Valley View Casino Center 11,831 / 11,831 $899,782
April 12, 2013 Las Vegas Mandalay Bay 8,861 / 8,861 $1,047,675
April 19, 2013 Tampa Tampa Bay Times Forum 11,705 / 11,705 $901,024
April 20, 2013 Fort Lauderdale BankAtlantic Center 13,959 / 13,959 $1,042,363
April 22, 2013 Atlanta Philips Arena 13,233 / 13,233 $924,581
April 24, 2013 Baltimore 1st Mariner Arena 11,002 / 11,002 $788,340
April 26, 2013 Atlantic City Revel Resort 4,391 /4,391 $515,641
April 28, 2013 Newark Prudential Center 13,999 / 13,999 $1,215,879
April 29, 2013 Washington, D.C. Verizon Center 14,339 / 14,339 $1,185,020
May 1, 2013 Montreal Canada Bell Centre 14,028 / 14,028 $1,190,028
May 2, 2013 Ottawa Scotiabank Place 11,990 / 11,990 $852,724
May 5, 2013 & May 7, 2013 New York City United States Barclays Center 29.072 / 29.072 $2,465,993 (2/2)
May 6, 2013 Boston TD Garden 14,083 / 14,083 $1,061,548
Total attendants: 407,480 / 407,480
Total grossing: 31,993,611 $
Is there something incredibely high??? NO.
The European Leg is doing well so shut up with "something to hide"
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Member Since: 8/9/2012
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Quote:
Originally posted by Apollō
I think you're misrepresenting the situation - Pollstar estimated (not made up) the numbers for one star because her team refused to supply all the dates; other stars are accurate as their teams supplied full information.
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Oh, I'm sorry.
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And no, the point is that her gross is probably much higher than they said.
I'd guess 60-75 million
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Member Since: 4/29/2012
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Quote:
Originally posted by Sunshine.
So her gross is probably actually lower? |
Or underestimate like they did with her US gross.
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Member Since: 5/24/2012
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Are the Navy still trying to convince themselves that the U.S shows were sold out?
There were members on this site going on ticketmaster minutes before the show and there were many seats available.
I don't know why it matters anyway! She still made number 11!
That's a great achievement for her!
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Member Since: 6/7/2011
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Originally posted by RudeBoyy
So, in order to keep the not sold out U.S dates a secret, they reported all the U.S ones to billboard and none of the European ones?
#HiveLogic
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Let's be honest, after being on sale for months, several of her dates had tickets on sale hours and minutes before the show eveb started. But, miraculously every date sold out??
Def Jam is the king of inflation and false numbers. No shade, but it's obvious, at least to me, that figures were made up or hidden to give her "sold out" shows. It is not even the gross, but they want to say that it "sold out."
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ATRL Senior Member
Member Since: 3/22/2012
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Are there any estimates for what her final gross might be when the tour is complete? 
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Member Since: 4/9/2011
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Originally posted by EdgeOfAddiction
People celebrating numbers that were tabulated with selected venues for Rihanna. 
At Rihanna actually being in the top 10 of Pollstar and kicking Beyonce down to 11 had her real numbers were added up.
#PrematureTRL |
The irony!  anywho, all this proves is that dj is trying to hide rihanna's numbers for a reason
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Member Since: 8/9/2012
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Quote:
Originally posted by simon
Let's be honest, after being on sale for months, several of her dates had tickets on sale hours and minutes before the show eveb started. But, miraculously every date sold out??
Def Jam is the king of inflation and false numbers. No shade, but it's obvious, at least to me, that figures were made up or hidden to give her "sold out" shows. It is not even the gross, but they want to say that it "sold out." |
In all honesty, It is POSSIBLE that in a situation where their are like 10.8k out of 11k sold her team (any MANY others) would just say they only put 10.8k up.
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Originally posted by Apollō
Are there any estimates for what her final gross might be when the tour is complete? |
120-140 million.
It's an extremely rough estimate because no1 will give us Europe numbers.
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Member Since: 5/8/2012
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The numbers Billboard reported were inflated. That's what this whole thing is about.
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