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Discussion: U.S. Election 2016: Primary Season
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Originally posted by RihsusChrist(ATG)
Carson's past comments on gay's, the Holocaust, and guns are pure insanity! 
He will never be the GOP nominee.
I've read articles where even liberal feminists are impressed with Carly Fiorina. Hillary wants to talk about history, and breaking that "glass ceiling". Having a poised, female GOP candidate who doesn't mind going toe to toe on policy would actually force Hillary to talk about the issues, and defend her record. That's the one match-up Hillary definitely doesn't want.  |
True. But I don't think there's any way America would have Fiorina and Clinton as nominees. I just don't see it. But if it were to happen then it would be a good debate and election. But still, at this moment, it's Hillary's office to lose. Let's see if she tries this time instead of tripping herself up over the emails and Benghazi scandal (which isn't anything more than a smokescreen used to puncture her poll numbers)
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My grandmother liked Trump for one week until his John McCain comment, then moved onto Carson, and now she seems to be all about that Fiorina. I don't really have as many issues with Fiorina, she's definitely the least insane, I just don't know/think she is ready for a role like President. Realistically though, I don't think a Republican should be President until they squash the Tea Party like the cockroach they are, because they are tearing this country apart more than anyone else.
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Originally posted by Chanel.
Maybe I should hope Jeb gets it. Hillary's still ahead of him head-to-head even without her recent increases in general and I'm confident he's one of the candidates she could dance around in circles during the debates.
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Not really pissed... just amused tbh. People still say that the Bernie supporters are coming up with conspiracy theories when everything is really so transparent. The power of money in politics is just
If they're sinking this low they must really see Bernie as a threat.
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Originally posted by RihsusChrist(ATG)
Carson's past comments on gay's, the Holocaust, and guns are pure insanity!
He will never be the GOP nominee.
I've read articles where even liberal feminists are impressed with Carly Fiorina. Hillary wants to talk about history, and breaking that "glass ceiling". Having a poised, female GOP candidate who doesn't mind going toe to toe on policy would actually force Hillary to talk about the issues, and defend her record. That's the one match-up Hillary definitely doesn't want. |
The fact that Carson literally said the Devil invented the theory of evolution is mindblowing.
Hillary would do fine against Carly. The woman has no political history, takes socially conservative positions on important social issues, and her record at HP has enough weight with voters to have already brought her poll numbers down to about 6% from a peak of like 15%.
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Originally posted by Vanitas
Not really pissed... just amused tbh. People still say that the Bernie supporters are coming up with conspiracy theories when everything is really so transparent.
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Both Hillary and Sanders imo are being shafted. Though I did notice a lot with Sanders in a way.
I mean, most online polls had him winning the debate but the media was only talking about Hillary winning  (imo she did but that's besides the point)
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Hillary Clinton is now re-opening the door to support President Obama's trade deal. The same deal she helped negotiate but came out against last week. "I'm against it now," Clinton said, reiterating her new position. "But we'll see whether there is any kind of significant changes."
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Originally posted by TikiMiss
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She didn't even see any substantive changes the first time. She was never against it.
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Originally posted by Chanel974
The fact that Carson literally said the Devil invented the theory of evolution is mindblowing.
Hillary would do fine against Carly. The woman has no political history, takes socially conservative positions on important social issues, and her record at HP has enough weight with voters to have already brought her poll numbers down to about 6% from a peak of like 15%.
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...and Carson continues to gain in the polls and rake in the money. 
Well...Carly does have to expouse some conservatism if she wants to be the nominee. It's a fine line to walk as to not turn off modeates in the process. Carly raised more money than Rubio this quarter. Poll #'s fluctuate, and as more people drop out, the more support Carly will gain because she is the most polished, and presidential of the so called "outsider" candidates.
Like Carly has to defend her HP record, Hillary would have to defend her political record as well.
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Originally posted by Meowster
Hillary would DESTROY Trump in the debates.  I kinda actually want to watch that too, LOL, but that's way too risky to think about. |
Yea Trump is a terrible debater, that's the reason I still don't think he'll win the GOP nom even though he's super popular now,
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Wow! now thats bad.
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In better news, I got three people to register to vote today 
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They were her darkest days yet as First Lady, though there would be far worse to come. In 1994, after her health-care-reform plan imploded and her party suffered a devastating midterm defeat, Hillary Clinton’s chief of staff, Maggie Williams, gathered 10 women whose opinion Clinton held dear. The group included Mandy Grunwald, senior media consultant to the president, whose ties to the Clintons went back to the 1992 campaign; Susan Thomases, who had worked as the Clintons’ personal lawyer during the campaign; and Patti Solis Doyle, Clinton’s scheduler and later the first head of her 2008 presidential campaign. Called the “Chix meeting” by one participant, the group had been getting together to discuss the First Lady’s agenda, and the conversations usually ranged widely—to media strategy, policy debates, political fights, personal lives. The off-the-record gatherings were an outgrowth of her regular staff meetings, which were scheduled for an hour but often went for two or three and into the evening. A few bottles of wine might be opened, and the women would talk about “who was dating whom, who was cute,” and “whose kids were going to the prom,” according to one of the Chix I spoke with recently. In the weeks after the midterm defeat, the meetings were “healing” ones and designed to be “nutrition for the soul,” this participant said.
During one such meeting, toward the end of 1994, Clinton walked into the room and the distress of the past weeks and months spilled out. She fought back tears, and was “quite emotional.” She told the group that she was sorry—sorry if she had let people down, sorry if she had contributed to the recent political losses, as indeed she had. The health-care overhaul, on which Bill Clinton had campaigned so hard, and which he’d handed over to Hillary upon his election, had failed spectacularly under her leadership—undercut by the insurance industry’s aggressive opposition to it, and by her secrecy and high-handedness. Clinton told the group that she was considering withdrawing from the kind of policy and political work that had defined her. “This was all my fault,” she said, according to the participant. She didn’t want to damage her husband’s administration.
The precise moment that Hillary Clinton decided to run for president a second time is a matter of debate. A Saturday Night Live skit in March featured a sonogram of Hillary in utero, waving a campaign sign. But people close to Hillary say that she wavered for years about the decision to run in 2016. Some of the recently released e-mails indicate that Clinton had carefully watched the political ambitions of other potential candidates, such as David Petraeus, and used her circle to gauge the political climate. After her excruciating 2008 loss to Barack Obama, she told people she would not run again. Eventually, aided by polling and research carried out by the Dewey Square Group, a political consultancy where Minyon Moore is a principal, which sketched a possible route to victory, she came around to the idea. Moore had been an assistant to Bill Clinton when he was president and grew close to Hillary. She was a senior adviser in the 2008 campaign. With roots in Chicago and an expertise in state and local affairs, Moore is a key liaison with the African-American community. When Clinton left the State Department, Moore told me, there was “an instant hue and cry from many of her supporters” for her to run for president again. “But she had not had a chance to think, eat, sleep.” What she wanted to do was take some time to unwind. “If there is such a thing as normal for Hillary Clinton, she wanted to do that,” Moore said. “She had to get that space.” Chelsea was thinking about starting a family. The Clinton Foundation was always there as a comfortable roost. During that time of contemplative unwinding, Clinton made more than $12 million, according to Bloomberg, mostly from her second memoir and by giving dozens of speeches to corporations and other groups. Chelsea did have a baby. And soon after, Clinton was largely decided.
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Even so, some of those closest to Clinton advised her to stay on the sidelines. Cheryl Mills, her former chief of staff at State, told Clinton that “you don’t have to do this,” according to someone with knowledge of the conversation. Maggie Williams was equally forceful about her concerns. Her sentiment was “I wish you wouldn’t do it,” this person said. A former Clinton aide laid out for me one rationale that circulated last year, arguing against a run: that Clinton had achieved enough success as Secretary of State—“icon status”—to wash away all the bad memories of 2008. She could now have a global voice on any issue she wanted. If she ran for president again, she risked being dragged into the muck of a political campaign, and attacked, and all of that aura of greatness would be washed away.
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I don't understand how anyone could think Sanders performed better than Hillary in the debate... radical youth are radical.
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I wonder who Marty is
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Originally posted by RihsusChrist(ATG)
I wouldn't say "love"...more like "settle for".
Trump actually has liberal positions...especially on women's health that appeals to moderate democrats. If he could survive till the general and be the GOP nominee he could give Hillary a run for her money. Even the "liberal" networks swoon over Trump.
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Trump is very liberal (aside from the whole illegal immigration thing). He just speaks in superlatives so everything he says seems outlandish.
He doesnt mind Planned Parenthood existing, he doesn't care about gay marriage, he's for universal health care, etc.
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Quote from Ben Stein on the Dem plan to give Obamacare to illegal immigrants:
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Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured….but not everyone must prove they are a citizen. Many of those who refuse, or are unable, to prove they are citizens will receive free insurance paid for by those who are forced to buy insurance because they are citizens.
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 if I see one more person bring up the unscientific flash polls that occurred during the debate, my head might explode.
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Originally posted by Cheetos
if I see one more person bring up the unscientific flash polls that occurred during the debate, my head might explode. |
The Facebook comments are my favorite part
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Originally posted by Citrus
The Facebook comments are my favorite part
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I can't wait until someone calls me part of the "oligarchy" for supporting Hillary
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Originally posted by Vanitas
CNN is paying to sponsor this post on Facebook
They've also deleted their poll posts, which had Bernie ahead of the other candidates. |
Total coincidence, nothing at all to do with their owner (time Warner) being one of Hillary's top ten campaign contributors [/Clinton supporter]
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Originally posted by Vanitas
Not really pissed... just amused tbh. People still say that the Bernie supporters are coming up with conspiracy theories when everything is really so transparent. The power of money in politics is just
If they're sinking this low they must really see Bernie as a threat. |
Yeah, it's not news to us who the media (cnn in particular) would prefer. If anything I'm glad they're being so brazen, makes it less easy for certain people to paint people who see what's happening as "crazy conspiracy theorists".
And you are 100% right about the power of money in politics. I love how most of the post-debate articles I've seen which did a "x amount of quotes to sum up the debate" or "top 10 quotes of the democratic debate" had no mention of Bernie's "congress doesn't regulate wall st, wall st regulates congress" even though that was a slam dunk in the room and among progressives 
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