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Discussion: U.S. Election 2016: Primary Season
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I was Retro.
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NH will be hard for her to win at this point, though it's thankfully not as significant. She can do it, but it's an uphill battle she needs to fight throughout the debates and before the primary happens.
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I don't know. I think I would be here for a switch up of the early voting states.
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Originally posted by Chanel.
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oh i thought so. Don't take this the wrong way but you sound more clever than I remembered 
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I don't know. I think I would be here for a switch up of the early voting states. |
They are so small, why should they be given so much power? 
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Originally posted by Giselle
If Hillary wins South Carolina, Alabama, Arkansas, Georgia, North Carolina, Oklahoma, Tennessee, Texas, Kansas, Mississippi, West Virginia, Kentucky (the south), along with Nevada, Michigan, Illinois, Missouri, New York, Maryland, California, New Mexico, and Florida (leaving Bernie Iowa, New Hampshire, Massachusetts, Minnesota, Nebraska, Vermont, Maine, Ohio, Arizona, Utah, Idaho, Alaska, Hawaii, Washington, Wisconsin, Wyoming, Connecticut, Delaware, Penn., Rhode Island, Indiana, Oregon, Montana, Jersey, North & South Dakota and D.C.), the nomination is hers.
I have faith, HC! |
Bringing this back. What do you guys think?
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Originally posted by Javan
oh i thought so. Don't take this the wrong way but you sound more clever than I remembered |
You and I went toe to toe on some issues in the past if I remember correctly, but college has done wonders for my discussion and debate skills - and my attitude (although some don't like that particular change). 
Plus, we're talking US politics - a mildly blind Hillary stan I may be right now, but I've been following this field since I was eight. I still remember being disappointed when Kerry failed to beat Bush's second campaign. 
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They are so small, why should they be given so much power? |
The main reason is just tradition.
Which is why I don't think it'll be changing anytime soon.
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I was for Bernie until I read he's a socialist.
Good luck with THAT. I live in Venezuela, I know what good Socialism brings.
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Originally posted by Giselle
Bringing this back. What do you guys think? |
I do think this shows exactly how strong her stance is. With her leading by 32% in national polls that exclude Biden, and with NH the only primary (I think?) she currently stands to lose, barring an upset in Iowa, she just needs to hold strong.
But, given Bernie's ideologies, that might be harder than it sounds.
Hell, I know at least half the reason I'm voting for her is just because I know she has a better shot at the general election and at compromising with a potentially-still-Republican Congress.
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Kerry was such a weak candidate even before he got the nom
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I was for Bernie until I read he's a socialist.
Good luck with THAT. I live in Venezuela, I know what good Socialism brings.
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This brings up a good point - I think Hillary will start hitting the Socialist title pretty hard if he gets too close for comfort.
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And I wonder who Hillary would make her Secretary of State.
Like, the fact that in a little over a year from now, we will have a completely new administration 
EDIT: Which is another reason I'm for HRC. I trust her to fill the cabinet. Who would Bernie even do?
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Originally posted by Javan
They are so small, why should they be given so much power? |
It's the first real test of the election. People base their expectations for how the candidates will perform based on it. This is mostly just because it's the first.
It's sort of like when someone gets their first test back in a class. It's hard to come back from a bad showing.
Although, like Giselle said, they're not always the best representative of who will win the overall election. I would like to add that, will Santorum won the Republican primary in Iowa (and obviously lost overall), it was by .03% and he and Romney ended up the frontrunners.
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Originally posted by Meowster
Kerry was such a weak candidate even before he got the nom
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Kerry, in retrospect, was awful in a few ways. He's still not perfect.
But, he did what he could. Anyone was going to have a tough time challenging Bush in 2004, even though I think that the right candidate could have done it.
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I really do wonder who Bernie would choose for his cabinet if he got the nom. That would be interesting to see.
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Originally posted by Chanel.
This brings up a good point - I think Hillary will start hitting the Socialist title pretty hard if he gets too close for comfort.
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She should.
I'd rather vote for a Republican than give my vote to a socialist if I was an American. Chavez brought the idea of socialism in a similar way Bernie is doing, except he was younger, more charismatic, had military background and was smart. Bright enough to sell all these massive changes as 'Revolution'.
One that bankrupt our country 15 years into it. One of the richest countries in the world, you can't find a single chicken in the market to feed your families. You have to stand in lines for up to 8 hours to get ONE package of toilet paper, one can of oil and maybe some rice or flour.
When we elected Chavez, no one in a MILLION years fathomed this would happen to us, Cuba was a distant, horrible fairy tale.
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Originally posted by downbywednesday
It's the first real test of the election. People base their expectations for how the candidates will perform based on it. This is mostly just because it's the first.
It's sort of like when someone gets their first test back in a class. It's hard to come back from a bad showing.
Although, like Giselle said, they're not always the best representative of who will win the overall election. I would like to add that, will Santorum won the Republican primary in Iowa (and obviously lost overall), it was by .03% and he and Romney ended up the frontrunners.
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Plus, Hillary herself won New Hampshire in 2008! That didn't materialize into enough momentum for a nomination for her, especially compared to Obama's victory in Iowa.
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Santorum. Aside from Michele Bachmann, the most insane person to run for President this decade and probably the last. I was terrified at the start of last years election season.
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Originally posted by Chanel.
Plus, Hillary herself won New Hampshire in 2008! That didn't materialize into enough momentum for a nomination for her, especially compared to Obama's victory in Iowa.
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Yeah, there's several examples of the NH and Iowa caucuses not being indicative of the final candidate. I was looking at the previous Iowa caucus results and Mike Huckabee won the 2008 Repbulican primary at 34% with two other additional candidates ahead of John McCain (at 13%) 
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At first I thought a nice compromise would be Biden being Hillary's SoS, but I read that during Obama's first term, he and Hillary were usually on the opposite side of things and Obama would have to choose between the two. So I guess it'd make no sense.
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