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News: Israeli-Palestinian conflict
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Originally posted by Kali.
Islam is not a race. But he's not totally wrong. There are a lot of neighborhoods which have majority of muslim population that run those areas. I don't have a problem with peaceful muslims who want to became part of the society into which they emigrated but people like that scare me (I really hope this is just some small minority) :
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You honestly have no idea what you are talking about. I'm from Europe and live near to a majority muslim area and they don't run it like you are saying, we have laws here and all citizens abide by them. What you are doing is scaremongering and stereotyping which really shows your own ignorance. Let me tell you something , like 99 percent of muslim here are peaceful, just like everyone else, those photos you are showing are such a small minority it could be done for any group of people, I can almost gurantee you hardly know any muslims in real life or you would not have such a ignorant view of them.
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Originally posted by CakeLike
You honestly have no idea what you are talking about. I'm from Europe and live near to a majority muslim area and they don't run it like you are saying, we have laws here and all citizens abide by them. What you are doing is scaremongering and stereotyping which really shows your own ignorance. Let me tell you something , like 99 percent of muslim here are peaceful, just like everyone else, those photos you are showing are such a small minority it could be done for any group of people, I can almost gurantee you hardly know any muslims in real life or you would not have such a ignorant view of them.
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well thank you for enlightening me then
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Originally posted by CakeLike
You honestly have no idea what you are talking about. I'm from Europe and live near to a majority muslim area and they don't run it like you are saying, we have laws here and all citizens abide by them. What you are doing is scaremongering and stereotyping which really shows your own ignorance. Let me tell you something , like 99 percent of muslim here are peaceful, just like everyone else, those photos you are showing are such a small minority it could be done for any group of people, I can almost gurantee you hardly know any muslims in real life or you would not have such a ignorant view of them.
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It's easy for you to say people are stereotyping muslims because you've not been forced to leave your birth place with only the clothes on your back because of religious intolerance on the part of your muslim neighbours,I'm sorry to say until islam rids itself of religious fundamentalist it would continue to be percieved as a violent religion.on a good day I can relate with muslims individualy because the ones I have come across are actualy nice until their religion is bought into the mix,during the times of religious riots in my country it's not uncommon to see a muslim that you thought was your friend lead a mob to your house to finish you off,they are fond of starting trouble and once the other party retaliates they start to act like the victims,the fact that conflicts and wars are the order of the day anywhere there are a significant amount of muslims makes it difficult for me to side with muslims in time of conflict.
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Originally posted by rihannafan
omg wtf you're like the definition of racist lol
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No, he's not, he's speaking the truth, just go to Schilderswijk in The Hague, NL... There are neighbourhoods that are being controlled by muslims, they bully, threaten, and intimidate gay people living in the neighbourhood so they have to move away. Islam is radicalizing fast in Europe, hence why the right wing parties are growing at an alarming rate
Anyway, Israel needs to back down right away, they are the problem in the Middle East, stirring **** in land that isn't theirs
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Originally posted by slimsexy
It's easy for you to say people are stereotyping muslims because you've not been forced to leave your birth place with only the clothes on your back because of religious intolerance on the part of your muslim neighbours,I'm sorry to say until islam rids itself of religious fundamentalist it would continue to be percieved as a violent religion.on a good day I can relate with muslims individualy because the ones I have come across are actualy nice until their religion is bought into the mix,during the times of religious riots in my country it's not uncommon to see a muslim that you thought was your friend lead a mob to your house to finish you off,they are fond of starting trouble and once the other party retaliates they start to act like the victims,the fact that conflicts and wars are the order of the day anywhere there are a significant amount of muslims makes it difficult for me to side with muslims in time of conflict.
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Forced to leave your birthplace because of religious intolerance ? you mean like the illegal israeli settlers did and are doing to the muslims in palestine?
The bolded part is so stupid, so ignorant and borderline racist, how can you expect anyone to take you seriously when you hold such silly, uninformed views? Seriously the amount of nonsense i have heard from some of you in this thread in regards to muslims is disgusting, you must think that trying to paint demonize Muslims somehow excuses Israelis actions a bit, it does not.
You don't need to side with muslims in this conflict, it is not about jews vs muslims
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I only hope Israel and Palestine can live in peace, that day will come when Hamas is completely destroyed and democracy is bring upon Palestine, I think Fatah party could do it, peace talks will be complex tho.
I also hope Nigerian, Iraqi, Kenyan governments also step up to obliterate those brutal terrorist groups like ISIS, Boko-Haram and Al-Shabab radical islam is an ugly threat to the western world.
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Originally posted by BadMonster
No, he's not, he's speaking the truth, just go to Schilderswijk in The Hague, NL... There are neighbourhoods that are being controlled by muslims, they bully, threaten, and intimidate gay people living in the neighbourhood so they have to move away. Islam is radicalizing fast in Europe, hence why the right wing parties are growing at an alarming rate
Anyway, Israel needs to back down right away, they are the problem in the Middle East, stirring **** in land that isn't theirs
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Thanks for supporting my post hey I'm liberal and a gay man but some people here are like extreme liberals like calling me racist WTF?
I'm just stating what I'm seeing and radical islam is causing chaos in some parts of Europe GUESS WHAT is breeding now because of that? extreme right wing and neo nazi parties all over Europe, an even bigger problem.
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Originally posted by slimsexy
It's easy for you to say people are stereotyping muslims because you've not been forced to leave your birth place with only the clothes on your back because of religious intolerance on the part of your muslim neighbours,I'm sorry to say until islam rids itself of religious fundamentalist it would continue to be percieved as a violent religion.on a good day I can relate with muslims individualy because the ones I have come across are actualy nice until their religion is bought into the mix,during the times of religious riots in my country it's not uncommon to see a muslim that you thought was your friend lead a mob to your house to finish you off,they are fond of starting trouble and once the other party retaliates they start to act like the victims,the fact that conflicts and wars are the order of the day anywhere there are a significant amount of muslims makes it difficult for me to side with muslims in time of conflict.
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What kind of friends did you have?
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Originally posted by CakeLike
Forced to leave your birthplace because of religious intolerance ? you mean like the illegal israeli settlers did and are doing to the muslims in palestine?
The bolded part is so stupid, so ignorant and borderline racist, how can you expect anyone to take you seriously when you hold such silly, uninformed views? Seriously the amount of nonsense i have heard from some of you in this thread in regards to muslims is disgusting, you must think that trying to paint demonize Muslims somehow excuses Israelis actions a bit, it does not.
You don't need to side with muslims in this conflict, it is not about jews vs muslims
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Of course it's not jews vs muslim,I was only responding to your earlier comments.FYI the bolded part happened to me and much more.Your claim that I'm ignorant and racist is laughable considering that you think islam has anything to do with race.plus I am not trying to "demonise" muslims just to justify Isreali actions but rather I'm only trying to point out that the rosy picture painted of the palestinians and muslims in general is not entirely true,as in recent times islam has become to radical and the voices of the moderates have been drowned by these radicals,thus the general perception of islam as a violent religion.
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Originally posted by BadMonster
No, he's not, he's speaking the truth, just go to Schilderswijk in The Hague, NL... There are neighbourhoods that are being controlled by muslims, they bully, threaten, and intimidate gay people living in the neighbourhood so they have to move away. Islam is radicalizing fast in Europe, hence why the right wing parties are growing at an alarming rate
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I think it's important to not stereotype people but I sadly have to agree. I was harassed by muslims because I was gay. I was only 14 and I was so scared of going to school. Not just by muslims but also by Russians. I lived in a city with many Russians and muslims and it wasn't easy. How I said before, we shouldn't stereotype tho. My (ex ) bf was a muslim girl. She knew that I was gay and she accepted me although her parents didn't. Her father eventually decided to block her from every contact with people from our class. He dropped her from school and forced her to stay at home. I never heard of her again But yeah, it's a sensitiv topic. The right wing parties are growing and it makes me sad. I understand the reason why (not that I agree with it) but this can't be our future. I don't want to live in a world based on ignorance
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Originally posted by Caesar
What kind of friends did you have?
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I don't know if they were forced to do this or brainwashed,but this has happened to me and a lot of Christains who recount their ordeal in the hands of these extreemist in my country,everytime trouble starts a lot of us are forced to return to our states of origin for fear of being killed.I am a living testimony of that at a very young age me and my family had to migrate from the nothern part dominated by muslims eventhough I was born there,I shudder and cringe everytime I remember the lifeless bodies on the streets and the chants of Allah is great anytime they suceed in their deadly missions.The funny thing is that your attackers are known to you,on a good day they are usualy kind and helpfull,but kill in the name of their religion,I sometimes get confused by this.So forgive me for not having a favourable view of muslims in conflict situations,the palestinian people might be different but seeing on line pictures of some of them,children included celebrating the killing of innocent people in 911 and boston bomblast I doubt that.The human being in me makes me feel empathy for them when I see how much they are suffering,but I have no doubt in my mind that they'll do worse if they had as much power as israel.But in general the bloodshed has to stop and nobody not even the US can stop this ,unless both parties agree to sieze fire.Let me make it clear that the israeli's are not innocent in this,but I can relate with their efforts to protect their citizens from terrorist,something my government has failed to do.
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Originally posted by CakeLike
Forced to leave your birthplace because of religious intolerance ? you mean like the illegal israeli settlers did and are doing to the muslims in palestine?
The bolded part is so stupid, so ignorant and borderline racist, how can you expect anyone to take you seriously when you hold such silly, uninformed views? Seriously the amount of nonsense i have heard from some of you in this thread in regards to muslims is disgusting, you must think that trying to paint demonize Muslims somehow excuses Israelis actions a bit, it does not.
You don't need to side with muslims in this conflict, it is not about jews vs muslims
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it's not uncommon to see a muslim that you thought was your friend lead a mob to your house to finish you off,
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Well, all the Christians have to leave their homes in Mossul, how disgusting is that.
Where is the Muslim neighborhood who stands for the Christians?
Without a Muslim Enlightenment, no trust from me. The Arabic spring was a great start, the Muslim Brotherhood and the Military counterrevolution of that shows to me, the time isn't right, yet, to "kill" Allah like the western world "killed" rightfully our God.
First, kill your idols, all of them.
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Originally posted by rbautz
Well, all the Christians have to leave their homes in Mossul, how disgusting is that.
Where is the Muslim neighborhood who stands for the Christians?
Without a Muslim Enlightenment, no trust from me. The Arabic spring was a great start, the Muslim Brotherhood and the Military counterrevolution of that shows to me, the time isn't right, yet, to "kill" Allah like the western world "killed" rightfully our God.
First, kill your idols, all of them.
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Ofcourse that is disgusting, i don't think anyone would try to claim otherwise, but lets not act like it is a common thing to happen, there are around 1.6 billion muslims in the world, if they all acted like that trust me you would see a hell of a lot more. I am just calling out peoples hypocrisy in this thread about how they are trying to vilify all 1.6 billion muslims as though they all hold the same views. It's silly to think that the incidents you hear about should give you the right to put them all under one judgement. I'm an atheist personally but i am not going to judge all muslims based on what terror groups who call themselves muslims do neither am i going to judge all jews based on the terror israel does.
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Originally posted by CakeLike
Ofcourse that is disgusting, i don't think anyone would try to claim otherwise, but lets not act like it is a common thing to happen, there are around 1.6 billion muslims in the world, if they all acted like that trust me you would see a hell of a lot more. I am just calling out peoples hypocrisy in this thread about how they are trying to vilify all 1.6 billion muslims as though they all hold the same views. It's silly to think that the incidents you hear about should give you the right to put them all under one judgement. I'm an atheist personally but i am not going to judge all muslims based on what terror groups who call themselves muslims do neither am i going to judge all jews based on the terror israel does.
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Seriously, no one does that in here
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Originally posted by BadMonster
Seriously, no one does that in here
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There is are some who are stereotyping all muslims because of the action of minority groups/incidents.
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Originally posted by Beatz
I've seen and know enough things about Islam (Arabia Saudi, ISIS, Iran, Boko Haram, Al-Shabab, Hamas, Hezbollah etc) that scares me
Sadly, Islam is becoming more radicalized by the second, it's becoming a threat for the liberal and western world.
My impression is that Palestinians were to take over the land of Israel, they will establish a theocratic, authoritarian, extreme conservative regime like that of Iran or Arabia Saudi, my experience tells me moderate Islam is a minority...
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Originally posted by slimsexy
it's not uncommon to see a muslim that you thought was your friend lead a mob to your house to finish you off,they are fond of starting trouble and once the other party retaliates they start to act like the victims,the fact that conflicts and wars are the order of the day anywhere there are a significant amount of muslims makes it difficult for me to side with muslims in time of conflict.
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Originally posted by MonsterPaw
I think it's important to not stereotype people but I sadly have to agree.
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You guys need to stop with the racism/religious discrimination in here.
It's fine to give your opinion on the matter. That's what this thread is for. It's not okay to offend whole groups of people while doing so. The rules of ATRL still apply here, so if you can't word your opinion in a way that doesn't violate ATRL rules, I suggest simply not posting it.
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Originally posted by CakeLike
There is are some who are stereotyping all muslims because of the action of minority groups/incidents.
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That's not stereotyping all muslims though, they refer to groups and groups like that exist, it's the truth. It's very clear they are only referring to a group
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Originally posted by Phoenetic
You guys need to stop with the racism/religious discrimination in here.
It's fine to give your opinion on the matter. That's what this thread is for. It's not okay to offend whole groups of people while doing so. The rules of ATRL still apply here, so if you can't word your opinion in a way that doesn't violate ATRL rules, I suggest simply not posting it.
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Some people take offense to easily and misinterpret statements/opinions on purpose because of their religion though, religion has always been the cause of a lot of problems in the world and that is a fact, not an opinion, just look at the world's history. If we discuss radical/terrorist jews/palestinians/muslims some people on here will feel offended when it's very clear you are not referring to them
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Originally posted by BadMonster
That's not stereotyping all muslims though, they refer to groups and groups like that exist, it's the truth. It's very clear they are only referring to a group
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They are using those groups to pass judgement on all muslims. Did you miss the ones talking about how it is hard to trust all muslims because of them groups or how wars are normal where there is a large group of muslims so it makes it hard to side with them?
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Originally posted by slimsexy
,the fact that conflicts and wars are the order of the day anywhere there are a significant amount of muslims makes it difficult for me to side with muslims in time of conflict.
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These are incredibly ignorant things to say and if you can't see it i suggest you educate yourself.
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Originally posted by CakeLike
They are using those groups to pass judgement on all muslims. Did you miss the ones talking about how it is hard to trust all muslims because of them groups or how wars are normal where there is a large group of muslims so it makes it hard to side with them?
These are incredibly ignorant things to say and if you can't see it i suggest you educate yourself.
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That's not ignorant, imagine you are raped by a guy you date and it happens again, of course you are going to be cautious of the next guy you date, that's not racism or ignorance, that's self protection, which is one of the human instincts
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