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Poll: Should trans-teen be able to use girl's lockerroom?
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View Poll Results: I think that
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Yes, she identifies as a girl
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No, she still has a penis and should use the uni-sex bathroom
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Member Since: 2/5/2014
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Originally posted by XtinaPanicGodney
When someone calls a gay man a f@ggot you would call it homophobia. Same thing as calling a transwomen a man or vice versa. Why would you EVER call a trans person the wrong pronoun or name? That leads them to suicide or depression or just makes them feel like ****. |
Phobia, though. Do you know what that means? Secondly, I don't have a prejudice against them. So in the urban sense and literal sense of the word, I'm still not "transphobic" lol
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Originally posted by Corsola
This post is hilarious because you think you're making a good point and sounding smart yet all someone has to do to completely shut you down is give a definition of transphobia straight out of the dictionary  |
I looked at the definition. Oxford, the official dictionary. " Intense dislike of or prejudice against transsexual or transgender people". Thank you for personifying your intelligence, or lack there of. Nice try, though 
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Originally posted by Zoraluv
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But you see, genes & anatomy are irrefutable. So that alone renders those links null.
This is getting to the point where you guys are attacking me, which is miles past unnecessary 
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Originally posted by Toya
Yes. flailing.
She's not comfortable enough with herself to flaunt her penis in a locker room but she's comfortable enough with herself to flaunt it in public... on tv...
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she ain't flaunting her dick in public, you just looking for it, good ****ing bye
go flail somewhere else, I'm done with your transphobic ass
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SICK of the trannie hijacking of all conversations relating to the gay and lesbian community. You all should have every right the rest of us do. Now go out and get them. On your own. You want to lead the parade? Do it! Pay for it! And create your own organizations. We'll be happy to wave from across the street.
Again, who is denying that transphobia exists? I'm sure it does. Good for them on fighting it, and I hope they can find and fund their own programs and services to educate people and eliminate it.
Just stop piggybacking on gay men's causes (because it is NOT the same), and then on top of that (to add insult), deriding gay men.
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Originally posted by Zoraluv
she ain't flaunting her dick in public, you just looking for it, good ****ing bye
go flail somewhere else, I'm done with your transphobic ass
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Originally posted by XLR8
Phobia, though. Do you know what that means? Secondly, I don't have a prejudice against them. So in the urban sense and literal sense of the word, I'm still not "transphobic" lol
I looked at the definition. Oxford, the official dictionary. " Intense dislike of or prejudice against transsexual or transgender people". Thank you for personifying your intelligence, or lack there of. Nice try, though
But you see, genes & anatomy are irrefutable. So that alone renders those links null.
This is getting to the point where you guys are attacking me, which is miles past unnecessary |
Stop using science for your wrong claims. You're not right 
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Originally posted by Toya
Mmmmhm.
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I'm sure everyone else would be way more comfortable with this whole thing if she didn't walk around like that (she could have a reputation for not wearing underwear) and didn't voice a complete disregard for everyone else who she'd have to share a space with. The child reeks of self-absorption.
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That wasn't the reason anyone gave for being uncomfortable and the ''possible reputation'' isn't relevant because it's an assumption. Though I do agree that everyone should wear underwear 
I do think her way of thinking is off but it's easy for me to see why and I doubt it's because of self-absorption. I also HIGHLY doubt anybody would be more comfortable for the reasons you listed. I don't see why the penis thing is such a big deal though; like did you see everyone's vagina when you were in school or something?  Cause if you did what's the big difference between making a case of ''being in these locker rooms makes me uneasy because I don't like seeing other vaginas'' and ''being in these locker rooms makes me uneasy because I don't like seeing a penis''? I don't think many people are comfortable in locker rooms. Period. But schools aren't gonna remove them just because people are uncomfortable in them which is unavoidable even if there isn't a trans person in there. And why is it so easy to call Lila selfish but not the others in the locker room? What if a lesbian was in the locker room and people said they felt unsafe because they're worried about her peeking at their vaginas? (which, btw, idk about you but I'm pretty sure it's more uncomfortable to have somebody staring at your genitals rather than somebody minding their own business with different genitals being in the same room and I'm sure most people would agree, but that's just me). And what if this lesbian felt offended by this and didn't wanna be kicked out of the locker room because she thinks they're just being homophobic? Would you call her selfish and say she's not considering the other girls and their feelings? Honest question 
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Originally posted by IsaiahFisher
SICK of the trannie hijacking of all conversations relating to the gay and lesbian community. You all should have every right the rest of us do. Now go out and get them. On your own. You want to lead the parade? Do it! Pay for it! And create your own organizations. We'll be happy to wave from across the street.
Again, who is denying that transphobia exists? I'm sure it does. Good for them on fighting it, and I hope they can find and fund their own programs and services to educate people and eliminate it.
Just stop piggybacking on gay men's causes (because it is NOT the same), and then on top of that (to add insult), deriding gay men.
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WP please.
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Originally posted by XLR8
Phobia, though. Do you know what that means? Secondly, I don't have a prejudice against them. So in the urban sense and literal sense of the word, I'm still not "transphobic" lol
I looked at the definition. Oxford, the official dictionary. " Intense dislike of or prejudice against transsexual or transgender people". Thank you for personifying your intelligence, or lack there of. Nice try, though
But you see, genes & anatomy are irrefutable. So that alone renders those links null.
This is getting to the point where you guys are attacking me, which is miles past unnecessary |
You don't see the point where it's 2015 and you're wrong
that's the issue
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Australian researchers have identified a significant link between a gene involved in testosterone action and male-to-female transsexualism.
DNA analysis from 112 male-to-female transsexual volunteers showed they were more likely to have a longer version of the androgen receptor gene.
The genetic difference may cause weaker testosterone signals, the team reported in Biological Psychiatry.
However, other genes are also likely to play a part, they stressed.
Increasingly, biological factors are being implicated in gender identity.
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/7689007.stm
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World would be a better place if there were no gender distinctions or segregation at all.
Our prudish attitude towards the human body is a cultural construction, and is in no way necessary.
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Originally posted by IsaiahFisher
SICK of the trannie hijacking of all conversations relating to the gay and lesbian community. You all should have every right the rest of us do. Now go out and get them. On your own. You want to lead the parade? Do it! Pay for it! And create your own organizations. We'll be happy to wave from across the street.
Again, who is denying that transphobia exists? I'm sure it does. Good for them on fighting it, and I hope they can find and fund their own programs and services to educate people and eliminate it.
Just stop piggybacking on gay men's causes (because it is NOT the same), and then on top of that (to add insult), deriding gay men.
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LGB T the font only go up to 7, I can't make it any bigger for yo ass
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Originally posted by IsaiahFisher
SICK of the trannie hijacking of all conversations relating to the gay and lesbian community. You all should have every right the rest of us do. Now go out and get them. On your own. You want to lead the parade? Do it! Pay for it! And create your own organizations. We'll be happy to wave from across the street.
Again, who is denying that transphobia exists? I'm sure it does. Good for them on fighting it, and I hope they can find and fund their own programs and services to educate people and eliminate it.
Just stop piggybacking on gay men's causes (because it is NOT the same), and then on top of that (to add insult), deriding gay men.
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this is the dumbest **** i ever read in my life nobody is checking for u sally!!!! we fought for ur rights at stonewall and u booed us off the stage foh!!!! yall think youre so damn special shut up youre all still violently misogynstic privileged men who only care about urself aint nobody piggybacking ya ****
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Originally posted by RatedG²
Stop using science for your wrong claims. You're not right |
If you engage in something subjective based, it will be a circle of relentless opinions. If you default to objectivity, there's little to no ambiguity or error and it's a lot less messy.
The truth of the matter is that he's not a girl. He considers himself as one, and that's okay. But it doesn't change the fact that he is not a female, and it's because of this that I don't completely concur that he should be allowed to use the girl's locker room. That's almost like an invasion, and it isn't entirely fair to the girls.
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Originally posted by Wafflecakes
Our prudish attitude towards the human body is a cultural construction, and is in no way necessary.
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It's weird, though -- sexualization increases in media, **** consumption is huge, etc.
Yet you get in a locker room and young guys are gun shy about dropping their pants. Lol.
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Originally posted by XLR8
If you engage in something subjective based, it will be a circle of relentless opinions. If you default to objectivity, there's little to no ambiguity or error and it's a lot less messy.
The truth of the matter is that he's not a girl. He considers himself as one, and that's okay. But it doesn't change the fact that he is not a female, and it's because of this that I don't completely concur that he should be allowed to use the girl's locker room. That's almost like an invasion, and it isn't entirely fair to the girls.
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Having XX sex chromosomes does not make you a girl, it just means you have boobs, a vagina, etc. the truth of the matter is that she is a female. If you don't want to call her that fine but then you're just an asshole. It's not fair to her to force her into a male bathroom or locker room when she clearly wants to use the bathroom designed for her gender, not sex. Pick up a ****ing human genetics book for once
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Originally posted by XLR8
If you engage in something subjective based, it will be a circle of relentless opinions. If you default to objectivity, there's little to no ambiguity or error and it's a lot less messy.
The truth of the matter is that he's not a girl. He considers himself as one, and that's okay. But it doesn't change the fact that he is not a female, and it's because of this that I don't completely concur that he should be allowed to use the girl's locker room. That's almost like an invasion, and it isn't entirely fair to the girls.
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She's not anatomically a female. But since you love science so ****ing much, let's recognize that psychology acknowledges that gender is a mental construct before it's a physical one. Your concern is touching for the other girls, it must be so difficult for them to not feel as if their entire community is against them.
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Originally posted by Corsola
That wasn't the reason anyone gave for being uncomfortable and the ''possible reputation'' isn't relevant because it's an assumption. Though I do agree that everyone should wear underwear |
The reason people are giving is that they see her as a male and she is anatomically a male so it only stands to reason that in addition to her being a male, they would also have a problem with actually seeing her penis.
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Originally posted by Corsola
I do think her way of thinking is off but it's easy for me to see why and I doubt it's because of self-absorption.
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I do but like you, that's just my opinion. The fact that she doesn't get how anyone could honestly feel uncomfortable about this shows how little she considers other people.
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Originally posted by Corsola
I also HIGHLY doubt anybody would be more comfortable for the reasons you listed.
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You don't think they might reconsider and be more comfortable if she showed an ounce of consideration for the other girls and also wore underwear? Lol.
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Originally posted by Corsola
I don't see why the penis thing is such a big deal though; like did you see everyone's vagina when you were in school or something? Cause if you did what's the big difference between making a case of ''being in these locker rooms makes me uneasy because I don't like seeing other vaginas'' and ''being in these locker rooms makes me uneasy because I don't like seeing a penis''? |
Tbh I saw a few but for the most part, no. Are you saying you don't see why girls are more comfortable getting undressed around people with the same parts as them? Then there's the fact that you're talking about underage girls. A lot of whom have never actually even seen a penis. For this reason alone, their opinion on this matters.
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Originally posted by Corsola
And why is it so easy to call Lila selfish but not the others in the locker room? What if a lesbian was in the locker room and people said they felt unsafe because they're worried about her peeking at their vaginas? (which, btw, idk about you but I'm pretty sure it's more uncomfortable to have somebody staring at your genitals rather than somebody minding their own business with different genitals being in the same room and I'm sure most people would agree, but that's just me). And what if this lesbian felt offended by this and didn't wanna be kicked out of the locker room because she thinks they're just being homophobic? Would you call her selfish and say she's not considering the other girls and their feelings? Honest question |
My whole point is that I understand why these girls, the school, and the parents would feel uncomfortable with Lila being in a girls locker room because she has a penis and looks like a boy. Because of that, I completely understand why girls (especially young school girls) would feel uncomfortable being in a locker room with her. So the lesbian argument doesn't really make sense. Now if that lesbian was showing a complete disregard for those girls and their comfort level by perving on them, then yes I think that's something that should be addressed. I'm not saying that Lila WOULD perv on these girls and is only using all of this as a way to do so, I'm saying she's not helping anything by vocally dismissing their concerns and not caring enough to wear underwear.
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I feel like if this were someone else my argument would be different but something about this girl is just off.
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Originally posted by RatedG²
Having XX sex chromosomes does not make you a girl, it just means you have boobs, a vagina, etc. the truth of the matter is that she is a female. If you don't want to call her that fine but then you're just an asshole. It's not fair to her to force her into a male bathroom or locker room when she clearly wants to use the bathroom designed for her gender, not sex. Pick up a ****ing human genetics book for once
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I highly suggest taking your own advice Just a suggestion 
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Originally posted by XLR8
I highly suggest taking your own advice Just a suggestion |
I have a degree I know what the **** I'm talking about. You obviously do not, you're done here
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Originally posted by Toya
The reason people are giving is that they see her as a male and she is anatomically a male so it only stands to reason that in addition to her being a male, they would also have a problem with actually seeing her penis.
I do but like you, that's just my opinion. The fact that she doesn't get how anyone could honestly feel uncomfortable about this shows how little she considers other people.
You don't think they might reconsider and be more comfortable if she showed an ounce of consideration for the other girls and also wore underwear? Lol.
Tbh I saw a few but for the most part, no. Are you saying you don't see why girls are more comfortable getting undressed around people with the same parts as them? Then there's the fact that you're talking about underage girls. A lot of whom have never actually even seen a penis. For this reason alone, their opinion on this matters.
My whole point is that I understand why these girls, the school, and the parents would feel uncomfortable with Lila being in a girls locker room because she has a penis and looks like a boy. Because of that, I completely understand why girls (especially young school girls) would feel uncomfortable being in a locker room with her. So the lesbian argument doesn't really make sense. Now if that lesbian was showing a complete disregard for those girls and their comfort level by perving on them, then yes I think that's something that should be addressed. I'm not saying that Lila WOULD perv on these girls and is only using all of this as a way to do so, I'm saying she's not helping anything by vocally dismissing their concerns and not caring enough to wear underwear.
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I feel like if this were someone else my argument would be different but something about this girl is just off.
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I really don't think they would change their minds. Like you said, the reason why they're uncomfortable is because she's a biological male. Looks like a boy is also an opinion. The underwear thing is still irrelevant because that was once and we don't know if it happens in the school or not. (however if it proved to be true then I would agree with you) My point by bringing up the lesbian scenario is that most people would find it much worse/creepier if they were having their genitals being looked at by someone else rather than being in the same locker room with someone who is biologically different. That's just my assumption with no evidence but I think it would at least be 50/50.
Finally, I am also an underaged girl. An underaged girl who has been to SEVEN different high schools in five different states within a few years. (a lot of which didn't even have sex ed classes) You are plain wrong about what you said. Girls in high school are almost ALLl horny as **** and at LEAST know what a penis looks like/how it functions. This is another assumption but considering I've been to 7 different schools I think it's safe to say this. Yeah, they may feel uncomfortable changing in the same room as someone with a penis (without even seeing it). But SO many kids are uncomfortable changing in locker rooms to begin with. It's awkward changing in the same room as a bunch of other people no matter what the situation is. Should we feel sorry for them too? Should we consider their feelings? Should we get rid of locker rooms to begin with because so many are uncomfortable?
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