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Discussion: U.S. Election 2016: Primary Season
Member Since: 4/23/2012
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Originally posted by Marvin
If that's the case, construction workers (no degree needed) should be making a lot more than the people working in the buildings they're building (I'd say constructing a building and making sure it's structurally sound is a lot more stressful than an office job), but they don't.
And no... the police officers should fight for higher wages. Just because they aren't getting paid more doesn't mean anyone else should. Not understanding that logic.
PR workers wouldn't be making $15 anymore; they would increase too. Wages can't increase at the same rate across the board for the same reason why taxes aren't the same for every income bracket.
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Architects and engineers are responsible for making sure a building is structurally sound. Construction workers are responsible for the labor that is carefully monitored by the professionals who do get paid pretty well. If anything does go wrong with the construction of the building, the architects and engineers are responsible, not the construction workers who are just being told what to do and how to do it.
I'm not saying no one else should get paid more, I'm saying the system needs to address the needs of EVERYONE, not just the ones at the very bottom of the wage chain.
I understand that wages will increase but as I mentioned, it will not be a significant increase to make a difference. There are bigger issues at hand such as cost of living and tax brackets that cause more damage than low wages.
For example, I fall into this bracket as a single filer: 25%: $37,451 to $90,750
That's a $53,299 difference yet we all pay the same amount of taxes. A person making $40k does not live the same lifestyle as someone $90k, nor they live in the same neighborhood, eat the same way, etc, especially not in NYC.
But the true rude awakening for these people jumping from $9/hr to $15/hr is the amount their taxes will go up as they have to adjust from their current situation. This will also make them ineligible to receive any government aid (if they do) as they will be making too much.
Tax brackets should be split into $20K differences at most. But now I'm straying a bit as my issue is with the bigger picture and not just the one facet that disturbs me.
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Member Since: 8/29/2011
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Originally posted by heckinglovato
Bernie's all-time-low favorabilty numbers still being higher than everyone else and while also being the most favored person in US Congress with an 83% approval rating 
He needs to run for the House and become Speaker when Democrats get a majority  |
Why not Senate Majority Leader or PPT?
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Originally posted by YSL
It's not about going to college or not, it's about qualifications and type of workload. It's insulting to someone who studied for a particular career to be making the same amount the same or less than someone who did not and is working a job that requires a minimal amount of work.
For example, you will have police officers who risk their lives (or the lives of others in certain instances lately) making the same exact of money as someone starting at McDonalds in 2018.
You also have people with Communication degrees who start at $30K (roughly $15 an hour) a year in Public Relations jobs in New York City. $30K a year is nothing here.
The issue I have is the lack of fairness and even with wages slightly going up for others, that will literally all go towards taxes, especially with Bernie's tax plan. Wages need to go up for everyone at the same degree to balance things out.
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When minimum wage goes, typically people around the new minimum wage also get an increase, in order for the position to stay competitive.
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Member Since: 4/23/2012
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Originally posted by Ramcoro
Why not Senate Majority Leader or PPT?
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Senate Majority Leader is going to Chuck Schumer. The Democrats would never vote an unsupportive Independent turned Democrat who has yet to help fund any of the other races be the leader of the senate.
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Originally posted by YSL
Architects and engineers are responsible for making sure a building is structurally sound. Construction workers are responsible for the labor that is carefully monitored by the professionals who do get paid pretty well. If anything does go wrong with the construction of the building, the architects and engineers are responsible, not the construction workers who are just being told what to do and how to do it.
I'm not saying no one else should get paid more, I'm saying the system needs to address the needs of EVERYONE, not just the ones at the very bottom of the wage chain.
I understand that wages will increase but as I mentioned, it will not be a significant increase to make a difference. There are bigger issues at hand such as cost of living and tax brackets that cause more damage than low wages.
For example, I fall into this bracket as a single filer: 25%: $37,451 to $90,750
That's a $53,299 difference yet we all pay the same amount of taxes. A person making $40k does not live the same lifestyle as someone $90k, nor they live in the same neighborhood, eat the same way, etc, especially not in NYC.
But the true rude awakening for these people jumping from $9/hr to $15/hr is the amount their taxes will go up as they have to adjust from their current situation. This will also make them ineligible to receive any government aid (if they do) as they will be making too much.
Tax brackets should be split into $20K differences at most. But now I'm straying a bit as my issue is with the bigger picture and not just the one facet that disturbs me.
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Yeah but the construction workers still have to risk their life (for projects like buildings and skyscrapers). I really think they're underappreciated but that's another topic.
I agree but the people at the bottom are the ones struggling the most. Someone making $12k is not going to be able to live as comfortably as someone making $30k, and someone making $60k is not going to need as much of an increase.
Yeah that tax bracket is a mess  But that could be something that changes. I don't know if he's gotten very detailed with his plan other than saying "let's raise it"
For the record I'm not 100% sold on $15, but I think that it will lead to a higher compromise than the $12 that Hillary is advocating for, since Republicans will definitely try to block the increase.
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Member Since: 8/29/2011
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Originally posted by heckinglovato
Imagine northern states getting to vote first in elections. That would consistently sway a lot of progressive momentum for the Democratic Party and overall generate hype for the campaigner who's more progressive.
I'm not talking about a Hillary vs. Bernie scenario, but for future elections, having northerners go before southerners would truly make a great difference in how the election would go on the Democratic side. It would be a new thing to try out, nothing more.
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The only problem with that is it's based on current geographical differences. It wasn't too long ago the south was solidly Democrats and New York and California often voted Republican. 
I don't really like the current schedule just because it is so drawn out. 
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Member Since: 8/29/2011
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Originally posted by YSL
Senate Majority Leader is going to Chuck Schumer. The Democrats would never vote an unsupportive Independent turned Democrat who has yet to help fund any of the other races be the leader of the senate.
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I mean we are talking hypotheticals.  If they won't vote from him in the Senate, then why would they in the House?  I'm not sure how unsupportive he is. He caucuses with the Dems and votes very consistently with them. He really was an independent in name only.
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Originally posted by Ramcoro
I mean we are talking hypotheticals. If they won't vote from him in the Senate, then why would they in the House? I'm not sure how unsupportive he is. He caucuses with the Dems and votes very consistently with them. He really was an independent in name only. |
True.
And by unsupportive, I mean financially. Hillary has been using her fundraising towards other races to help democrats winning seats in the senate and house.
Bernie has not giving anything and when asked, he said he will look into it. Hillary releasing her Goldman Sachs transcripts teas.
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Originally posted by YSL
Architects and engineers are responsible for making sure a building is structurally sound. Construction workers are responsible for the labor that is carefully monitored by the professionals who do get paid pretty well. If anything does go wrong with the construction of the building, the architects and engineers are responsible, not the construction workers who are just being told what to do and how to do it.
I'm not saying no one else should get paid more, I'm saying the system needs to address the needs of EVERYONE, not just the ones at the very bottom of the wage chain.
I understand that wages will increase but as I mentioned, it will not be a significant increase to make a difference. There are bigger issues at hand such as cost of living and tax brackets that cause more damage than low wages.
For example, I fall into this bracket as a single filer: 25%: $37,451 to $90,750
That's a $53,299 difference yet we all pay the same amount of taxes. A person making $40k does not live the same lifestyle as someone $90k, nor they live in the same neighborhood, eat the same way, etc, especially not in NYC.
But the true rude awakening for these people jumping from $9/hr to $15/hr is the amount their taxes will go up as they have to adjust from their current situation. This will also make them ineligible to receive any government aid (if they do) as they will be making too much.
Tax brackets should be split into $20K differences at most. But now I'm straying a bit as my issue is with the bigger picture and not just the one facet that disturbs me.
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Your first post and this post are actually really spot on especially for living in NYC these days. The bolded portion is something I was thinking about and fear will be a huge issue if Bernie does become president and it'll backfire basically all on him (despite the fact that it's an issue with the overall system and how the implementation of Bernie's plans would adhere to it).
However, that's all deep speculation. He would still need to win the nomination then, win the election then, get congress behind his plans and all that mess. It's still something to think about though and I'm glad you spelled it out pretty simply here because it's hard to explain economics sometimes. I wanna add that how things are now (and more or less in Bernie's proposed plans), the brackets benefit the people near the upper end of their brackets more than the lower end. Also, both screw the crowd around 60k.
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Originally posted by RatedG²
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The tea on this page is very...good. Compared to the last few pages of slop
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Originally posted by Tinker
Hillary was at the #blackgirlsrock event. I'm glad she fighting to keep our votes.  Haters will say she's pandering.  |
It was disgusting. The fact that she is allowed in our safe spaces  **** BET.
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Originally posted by foxaylove
Louisiana ... Vermont, Maine ...don't need a standard wage that high.
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bye
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Originally posted by Jonna Lee
It was disgusting. The fact that she is allowed in our safe spaces **** BET. |
Shut up. She was invited by the CEO. She has most of the black women votes so most of us like her.
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Looks like Bernie might have won Nevada after all 
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Originally posted by Marvin
Looks like Bernie might have won Nevada after all |
Yikes. Marvin please
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Originally posted by Jonna Lee
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i'm not gonna say it's a full-on lie (because i don't know enough about it) but a twitter account really isn't a very reliable source : P
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Member Since: 1/20/2012
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Originally posted by RatedG²
Yikes. Marvin please |
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Those are actual results from the convention.
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True or not Nevada is old news and is done voting. Hillary won it so...
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