[Achilles.]

Originally posted by Meowster

My grandma gets letters from the military directly stating "we cannot let Hillary Clinton get the White House." LOL.

My father is in the NRA. Their monthly magazine's always going on about how liberals are trying to take away their "freedoms."

[Adonis]

Originally posted by Alejandrawrrr

Agreed, some people act like Bernie supporters think we're electing a king to decree all of his policies into law. Bernie will propose proper LEFT policies, which through negotiations will get moved to more center-left or in the worst event, centrist laws in order to get passed. Unlike Obama, for example, who despite his professed liberal ideologies, proposed center-left or already centrist ideas in hopes of appeasing the right wing, which got moved further to the right in negotiations. I mean, "Obamacare" was originally a republican plan, but the further dems move to the right, the further repugs do as well.

And in the worst case scenario they will refuse to work with him at all unless the policies are right-wing, but do you really think they will do any different with Hillary? Despite her being a "centrist" in our liberal bubble, Hillary is a far left socialist to the republicans we've unfortunately allowed into our government. She might get more center-right bills passed, but is that really worth it? When it comes to the core liberal issues, they will oppose her affordable college plans just like they'll oppose Bernie's tuition free college, they'll oppose either of their plans in support of black lives matter (naturally), don't even get me started on immigration

Basically. Donald had a way to the white house as long as he was an outsider with those liberal economic positions but now he just blends in with all the other people proposing tax cuts for rich people and tax increases for those who aren't rich. Donald poll numbers have been stalling or going down since he signed that pledge. The debate was another knock on him. Then his tax proposal came out and he lost even more ground with liberals like myself would've voted for him if he had stuck to his positions rather than flip flop on them. Whoops!

After awhile it gets old paying the bills of billionaires who can't be bothered to pay their fair share in taxes to the country which offered them such great opportunities to begin with....or other people scream about minorities using up their tax dollars even as they are taking tax dollars out of this minorities hands because they are too lazy to pay taxes to foot the bill for their own well being.

[Dessy Fenix]

Originally posted by Adonis

No one else in my family even considered any one else other than Bernie and Hilary.

A lot in my family are leaning toward Sanders with some Hillary support. Not sure after this debate though. Will have to ask around.

[Alejandrawrrr]

Random debate thots that slipped my mind:

1a) The secondhand embarrassment I felt when Webb got annoyed that Anderson Cooper was ignoring him and started getting catty Drop out sis, just drop out.
1b) Still, arguably not as bad as that ~30 minutes when no one mentioned Lincoln Chafee and I literally forgot he was there Imma really need for these two to just drop out with O'Malley (though I might want him to stay for eye candy ) instead of wasting Bernie/Hillary screen time.

2) Hillary is SOOOO lucky democrats are generally classier than republicans wrt: campaign ads and such. She had a few sound bytes which could definitely fit well into an attack ad: "I represented Wall Street!" AC: "How will your presidency not be a third term of Obama?" "... I'm a woman "

Obviously presenting the quotes alone would be a bit of a misrepresentation, which is EXACTLY why you should expect to hear those lines again if the general election is Hillary vs Trump

[Achilles.]

Originally posted by Alejandrawrrr

2) Hillary is SOOOO lucky democrats are generally classier than republicans wrt: campaign ads and such. She had a few sound bytes which could definitely fit well into an attack ad: "I represented Wall Street!" AC: "How will your presidency not be a third term of Obama?" "... I'm a woman "

Obviously presenting the quotes alone would be a bit of a misrepresentation, which is EXACTLY why you should expect to hear those lines again if the general election is Hillary vs Trump

No to mention "we were hunting the Chinese."

[Adonis]

Originally posted by Alejandrawrrr

Random debate thots that slipped my mind:

1a) The secondhand embarrassment I felt when Webb got annoyed that Anderson Cooper was ignoring him and started getting catty Drop out sis, just drop out.
1b) Still, arguably not as bad as that ~30 minutes when no one mentioned Lincoln Chafee and I literally forgot he was there Imma really need for these two to just drop out with O'Malley (though I might want him to stay for eye candy ) instead of wasting Bernie/Hillary screen time.

2) Hillary is SOOOO lucky democrats are generally classier than republicans wrt: campaign ads and such. She had a few sound bytes which could definitely fit well into an attack ad: "I represented Wall Street!" AC: "How will your presidency not be a third term of Obama?" "... I'm a woman "

Obviously presenting the quotes alone would be a bit of a misrepresentation, which is EXACTLY why you should expect to hear those lines again if the general election is Hillary vs Trump

You mean hillary vs any republican.

[Dessy Fenix]

Originally posted by Adonis

You mean hillary vs any republican.

!

[rihannabiggestfan]

Originally posted by Forevermore

bernie dragged ha in the polls

boop

Omg where? Can you link me? I stan him

[Mike91]

Originally posted by rihannabiggestfan

Omg where? Can you link me? I stan him

I think they're referring to the public opinion about who won the debate tonight. Bernie has a substantial lead over everyone in every poll.

[Cheetos]

Hillary did what was expected of her and even more. She really showed up and proved that she has the leadership capabilities and policies to lead the country.

I liked O'Malley too. He seems like an effective leader.

[Butters]

https://www.google.com/trends/story/...RQ1ABAAD_OM_en

hopefully more name recognition goes some way in getting Bernie more support

[Mike91]

Originally posted by Butters

https://www.google.com/trends/story/...RQ1ABAAD_OM_en

hopefully more name recognition goes some way in getting Bernie more support

Sanders will eventually come out as the winner in tonight's debate. Hillary gave a great performance but Sanders stood out.

[Alejandrawrrr]

Originally posted by Mike91

Sanders will eventually come out as the winner in tonight's debate. Hillary gave a great performance but Sanders stood out.

Well the media has certainly crowned their winner already, unsurprisingly. There are now dozens of articles with "Hillary won" "Hillary defeats rival Sanders" as the headline. Interested to see what official poll numbers will show, or would have shown if we could see how they would look without the media coverage tomorrow.

[Retro]

Originally posted by Mike91

Sanders will eventually come out as the winner in tonight's debate. Hillary gave a great performance but Sanders stood out.

Eh, no.

[Retro]

Originally posted by Forevermore

bernie dragged ha in the polls

boop

Post-debate online polls will not be nearly representative of actual reaction in this election.

Remember Ryan winning those polls after the VP debate? Yeah, that's about how accurate they are.

[Mike91]

Originally posted by Chanel.

Eh, no.

Bernie has the most to gain from tonight's debate.

Why do people constantly underestimate him?

[Retro]

Clinton Won the Debate—Biden Lost It



Ed Rollins, Republican political consultant

Hillary Clinton won by a mile. She is a veteran debater and it showed. She was articulate, her answers were thought through and she clearly defended herself when her opponents came after her.

Sanders probably reinforced his socialist base, but no serious person could see him as a President. I think he was the biggest loser, but his answers were consistent with his philosophy.

...

Larry Sabato, director of the University of Virginia Center for Politics

Clinton went into the debate the frontrunner and she came out exactly the same—probably strengthened in that role. Sanders went in as the chief challenger and he came out the same—likely reinforced in that role.

...

Bill Scher, senior writer at the Campaign for America’s Future

Bernie won the debate for Hillary. Both had solid performances. But when Bernie said “the American people are sick and tired of hearing about your damn e-mails,” the tension release in the room was palpable. He united the crowd and helped the Clinton campaign turn the page.

...

Jonah Goldberg, conservative syndicated columnist and author

Hillary Clinton won. She was the best of the field, which is not exactly as high a compliment as it might sound given how abysmal everyone else was. Even Bernie Sanders slowly revealed that he is likely going to be the Fabian Ron Paul of the Democratic 2016 race. He will raise money off of his line that, “The American people are sick and tired of hearing about your damn emails!” but he also signaled that he’s not serious about doing what it takes to win. Whether that unseriousness is driven by cowardice or high-minded naïveté, I have no idea.

...

John Hudak, Brookings fellow in Governance Studies and author of the FixGov blog

Everyone tries to focus on who wins a debate, but tonight, it is important to focus on who lost. The clear loser tonight was Joe Biden.

...

Carrie Sheffield, Forbes contributor and senior writer at Opportunity Lives

The clear rhetorical winner tonight was Bernie Sanders (a truly terrifying thought, in my view, for the American taxpayer and broader society). Hillary Clinton held her own through a solid performance with no major blunders and a couple policy swipes at Sanders via gun control and economics. However, perhaps the biggest strategic winner was Joe Biden because Clinton was unable to definitively rout Sanders, who faces looming questions about mainstream appeal and general electability.

...

Douglas Schoen, pollster for President Bill Clinton

It was not a good night for Joe Biden. Not a good night at all.

Tonight’s debate showed America that we have two credible, competent and enthusiastic Democratic candidates for president in former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and Senator Bernie Sanders.

...

John Neffinger, who runs the Franklin Forum PAC and teaches political communications at Georgetown and Columbia Universities.

In case anyone forgot who our next President is going to be, Hillary Clinton reminded us all tonight. There will be plenty of other ups and downs in the 2016 campaign, but she comes across clearly as the most qualified, most Presidential candidate in the race on either side. This may well prove to be the major inflection point the Clinton campaign has been looking for all summer.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/10/clinton-won-the-debatebiden-lost-it-213244#ixzz3oWZ6rbgG

[Sasha.]

MSM saying Clinton won it, how surprising It's almost like most of her super PACs own a large part of corporate media

[Skywalker]

I'm just chilling in Cedar Rapids.

[Retro]

Originally posted by Sasha.

MSM saying Clinton won it, how surprising It's almost like most of her super PACs own a large part of corporate media

Well, that and, um, she won it.