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News: City where HIV first infected a human found.
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Originally posted by KyIe
Okay well how you FEEL doesn't mean s*** when I am using SCIENCE AND SCIENTIFIC ARTICLES AND JOURNALS AND EVIDENCE. I really don't give a f*** if you think its a conspiracy or that you felt the same way about my post because you clearly have no knowledge of the subject matter at all. Go get educated then come back. Thanks.
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No you're using some **** white men wrote. I just can careless about what they have to say regarding that subject. We know they aren't going to accuse white people of starting the disease
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Originally posted by accelgors
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omg. no, white people did not "invent racism". people have been discriminating against others of different races for centuries. you can look up things about discrimination against other ethnicities in pre-modern china - they were everywhere. and that's definitely not the only example.
i won't deny that white people did a lot of racist things. but to act like other people in the world never had any discrimination based on it is completely wrong and really western-centric.
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Actually they did. You're describing nationalism. Racism along with the white identity was invented quell rebellion from the united efforts of Irish & Black slaves in America. There was no white identity before that. Or at least no evidence of a white identity.
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Originally posted by Sinvius
Do y'all see how literally every answer in this thread is just avoiding the general thesis, and providing excuses or anything that will steer away from racism or anything bad being tied to white people
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But the general thesis was never "white man responsible for creating HIV".
YOU are the ones that make everything a racial issue, it's incredible and kinda annoying and it definitely doesn't help to erradicate racism at all.
You're so angry about white people that in your mind you think that they are a "country"
Just go see a therapist before you go out and start killing innocent people.
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Originally posted by Sinvius
I would argue that they cannot be racist towards each other. And before you go and bring up the dictionary definition of racism, it is important to understand that racism goes W A Y beyond name calling and racial slurs. It is a system which ONLY white people benefit from.
When a PoC for instance makes a joke about white people, it goes nowhere further than that specific joke. A white person will not get discriminated because of that joke, they won't have to fear losing their job over their joke, they won't have to worry about any social situations other than that situation in which a joke is made. When a white person makes a joke about a PoC, they're usually perpetuating harmful stereotypes that can actively HARM PoC in social situations. A joke about dreads being messy, unkempt and dirty will eventually lead to PoC not being able to wear their natural hair in a work environment, because it will be seen as unprofessional, rather than just a natural way for their hair to grow.
That's because white people will use racism as a means of systematic oppression of PoC. A PoC is not capable of this, therefore they can't be racist.
And to tackle your point that they can be racist towards their each other, in case you're referring to colorism, that is inextricably tied to internalized racism and self-hatred, which is common in black communities - but all of that is nothing more than just another harmful side effect of the main issue, which is, of course, racism.**
** Edit : if white people didn't put the european standards of beauty as the norm and lighter skin tones as desirable, black people would have no need to hate on each other for being darker / lighter
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There is actually SO much tea throughout this post. But I'm sure the people that need to read and understand many of the concepts in this post will just ignore it and write you off, so to you.
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Lets fight racism with racism
oh atrl never change
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Originally posted by ToxDuris
But the general thesis was never "white man responsible for creating HIV".
Lol you're so angry about white people that in your mind you think that they are a "country"
Just go see a therapist before you go out ans start killing innocent people.
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The actual irony of you putting an Iggy gif here.
To put some things in perspective:
1) Anyone with the IQ in the double digits would understand what original thesis I was refering to, and to assume that the thread has not already been derailed and some other topics brought up is nonsensical
2) I was referring to his posts which claimed that there were other countries that perpetuated racism, a poorly worded sentence, if you will
3) Funny how I'm the one that's angry when I try to provide actual arguments, instead of passively-aggressively trying to attack you as a person
bye
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Originally posted by Sinvius
That's because white people will use racism as a means of systematic oppression of PoC. A PoC is not capable of this, therefore they can't be racist.
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What you're saying is: white people use racism as a means to accomplish something else (systematic oppression). This is true. However, it's important to note that both can be mutually exclusive. For instance, there was a systematic oppression of Jews, pagans, women and homosexuals in history. These aren't racial groups. This proves that one can exist without the other. Thus, you don't only have to use racism for systematic oppression to be considered racist. I'm not invalidating the other things in your post but it's a very false and very dangerous sentiment to believe that the minority can't be racist and the oppressed can't be the oppressor.
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Originally posted by Floyd Mayweather
No you're using some **** white men wrote. I just can careless about what they have to say regarding that subject. We know they aren't going to accuse white people of starting the disease
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NO HUMAN STARTED THE DISEASE HOW F****** IGNORANT ARE YOU? Damn this thread is scary. You literally sit here and deny scientific facts that are so evident because god forbid a native was the first to contract the disease. Has a SINGLE person in here said anything negative about them. No, so shut the f*ck up.
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Originally posted by Sinvius
I would agree that they cannot be racist towards each other. And before you go and bring up the dictionary definition of racism, it is important to understand that racism goes W A Y beyond name calling and racial slurs. It is a system which ONLY white people benefit from.
When a PoC for instance makes a joke about white people, it goes nowhere further than that specific joke. A white person will not get discriminated because of that joke, they won't have to fear losing their job over their joke, they won't have to worry about any social situations other than that situation in which a joke is made. When a white person makes a joke about a PoC, they're usually perpetuating harmful stereotypes that can actively HARM PoC in social situations. A joke about dreads being messy, unkempt and dirty will eventually lead to PoC not being able to wear their natural hair in a work environment, because it will be seen as unprofessional, rather than just a natural way for their hair to grow.
That's because white people will use racism as a means of systematic oppression of PoC. A PoC is not capable of this, therefore they can't be racist.
And to tackle your point that they can be racist towards their each other, in case you're referring to colorism, that is inextricably tied to internalized racism and self-hatred, which is common in black communities - but all of that is nothing more than just another harmful side effect of the main issue, which is, of course, racism.
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You're correct on a lot of stuff. I agree that there is a system that continually harms, endangers, and discriminates against people of color and that mainly only white people benefit from that. However, this is more like a side-effect of racism. If an Asian person claims that he is superior to any race simply because he is Asian (and I've actually met someone who has this mentality), then he is partaking in racism. Racism doesn't have to be internalized or historically backed. It can happen without anyone even realizing it.
Think of racism as the core, or starting point, of all of the harmful stereotypes, discrimination, and prejudice targeted specifically at race. Of course, black people can be racist and partake in this "core," but it I agree in that it will likely not go as far as if a white person were to partake in this "core" because this system that we mentioned earlier perpetuates the spreading of that core, which leads to discrimination, harmful stereotypes, prejudice, etc. Usually we don't see these kinds of "side-effects" happening with whites because, as you said, our system usually does not allow for it.
But just because the system we have in place favors one type of racism over the other doesn't mean that other types of racism are invalidated. They all still exist.
I think we're more on the same page than you think, honestly.
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Originally posted by KyIe
NO HUMAN STARTED THE DISEASE HOW F****** IGNORANT ARE YOU? Damn this thread is scary. You literally sit here and deny scientific facts that are so evident because god forbid a native was the first to contract the disease. Has a SINGLE person in here said anything negative about them. No, so shut the f*ck up.
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No human started the disease, but a human did transmit it to other humans.
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Originally posted by Sinvius
I would argue that they cannot be racist towards each other. And before you go and bring up the dictionary definition of racism, it is important to understand that racism goes W A Y beyond name calling and racial slurs. It is a system which ONLY white people benefit from.
When a PoC for instance makes a joke about white people, it goes nowhere further than that specific joke. A white person will not get discriminated because of that joke, they won't have to fear losing their job over their joke, they won't have to worry about any social situations other than that situation in which a joke is made. When a white person makes a joke about a PoC, they're usually perpetuating harmful stereotypes that can actively HARM PoC in social situations. A joke about dreads being messy, unkempt and dirty will eventually lead to PoC not being able to wear their natural hair in a work environment, because it will be seen as unprofessional, rather than just a natural way for their hair to grow.
That's because white people will use racism as a means of systematic oppression of PoC. A PoC is not capable of this, therefore they can't be racist.
And to tackle your point that they can be racist towards their each other, in case you're referring to colorism, that is inextricably tied to internalized racism and self-hatred, which is common in black communities - but all of that is nothing more than just another harmful side effect of the main issue, which is, of course, racism.**
** Edit : if white people didn't put the european standards of beauty as the norm and lighter skin tones as desirable, black people would have no need to hate on each other for being darker / lighter
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by St. Charles
You're correct on a lot of stuff. I agree that there is a system that continually harms, endangers, and discriminates against people of color and that mainly only white people benefit from that. However, this is more like a side-effect of racism. If an Asian person claims that he is superior to any race simply because he is Asian (and I've actually met someone who has this mentality), then he is partaking in racism. Racism doesn't have to be internalized or historically backed. It can happen without anyone even realizing it.
Think of racism as the core, or starting point, of all of the harmful stereotypes, discrimination, and prejudice targeted specifically at race. Of course, black people can be racist and partake in this "core," but it I agree in that it will likely not go as far as if a white person were to partake in this "core" because this system that we mentioned earlier perpetuates the spreading of that core, which leads to discrimination, harmful stereotypes, prejudice, etc. Usually we don't see these kinds of "side-effects" happening with whites because, as you said, our system usually does not allow for it.
But just because the system we have in place favors one type of racism over the other doesn't mean that other types of racism are invalidated. They all still exist.
I think we're more on the same page than you think, honestly.
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You, Sinvius and Yemiking are the only posters on this thread to utilize any sort of intelligence in formulating your posts so i applaud you all for keeping some form of intellect in this thread.
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Originally posted by KyIe
NO HUMAN STARTED THE DISEASE HOW F****** IGNORANT ARE YOU? Damn this thread is scary. You literally sit here and deny scientific facts that are so evident because god forbid a native was the first to contract the disease. Has a SINGLE person in here said anything negative about them. No, so shut the f*ck up.
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A lil hot under fan colla, are we?
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Originally posted by KyIe
You, Sinvius and Yemiking are the only posters on this thread to utilize any sort of intelligence in formulating your posts so i applaud you all for keeping some form of intellect in this thread.
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Your posts were the most informative though!
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Originally posted by YemiKing
What you're saying is: white people use racism as a means to accomplish something else (systematic oppression). This is true. However, it's important to note that both can be mutually exclusive. For instance, there was a systematic oppression of Jews, pagans, women and homosexuals in history. This proves that one can exist without the other. Thus, you don't only have to use racism for systematic oppression to be considered racist. I'm not invalidating the other things in your post but it's a very false and very dangerous sentiment to believe that the minority can't be racist and the oppressed can't be the oppressor.
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Agreed.
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Originally posted by St. Charles
You're correct on a lot of stuff. I agree that there is a system that continually harms, endangers, and discriminates against people of color and that mainly only white people benefit from that. However, this is more like a side-effect of racism. If an Asian person claims that he is superior to any race simply because he is Asian (and I've actually met someone who has this mentality), then he is partaking in racism. Racism doesn't have to be internalized or historically backed. It can happen without anyone even realizing it.
Think of racism as the core, or starting point, of all of the harmful stereotypes, discrimination, and prejudice targeted specifically at race. Of course, black people can be racist and partake in this "core," but it I agree in that it will likely not go as far as if a white person were to partake in this "core" because this system that we mentioned earlier perpetuates the spreading of that core, which leads to discrimination, harmful stereotypes, prejudice, etc. Usually we don't see these kinds of "side-effects" happening with whites because, as you said, our system usually does not allow for it.
But just because the system we have in place favors one type of racism over the other doesn't mean that other types of racism are invalidated. They all still exist.
I think we're more on the same page than you think, honestly.
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This is precisely why I said several times that black people, or rather any PoC, can be extremely prejudiced towards white people (I won't get into whether it is justified or not, because that is extremely situational), but I definitely do agree on a lot of things you've said. I believe that we just choose to word it differently.
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Member Since: 11/28/2011
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Originally posted by KyIe
You, Sinvius and Yemiking are the only posters on this thread to utilize any sort of intelligence in formulating your posts so i applaud you all for keeping some form of intellect in this thread.
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I'm glad you was intelligent enough to count yourself out at least
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I'm from the DRC and they wouldn't let me donate blood in HS (even though I didn't have HIV and was not sexually active) cause I could "potentially" have an undetectable strain.
Like... Okay.
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Originally posted by Marvin
No human started the disease, but a human did transmit it to other humans.
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Yes that is obvious. The discourse here is that the poster I was replying to is so blindsided by how "evil" white people are he is willing to completely ignore scientific factual evidence surmising that this disease was initially contracted by natives. No difference then how the plague started in Asia or how syphilus originated in pre colonial North America.
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Originally posted by KyIe
Yes that is obvious. The discourse here is that the poster I was replying to is so blindsided by how "evil" white people are he is willing to completely ignore scientific factual evidence surmising that this disease was initially contracted by natives. No difference then how the plague started in Asia or how syphilus originated in pre colonial North America.
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HIV wasnt harmful until white bodies allowed it to mutate tho...
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Woo this thread is outrageous and I'm only on page 9.
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