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News: UPDATE: Bernie gets access back
Member Since: 11/27/2010
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The problem for Hillary is this is yet another thing...that rightfully or wrongfully makes her look untrustworthy. Its really not just one thing its a combination of everything.
I agree Bernie is in the wrong here. People try to hack all the time knowing that it's illegal. Bernie probably knew about it and probably asked his staff to do it not really understanding the full scope of what he was asking.
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Member Since: 8/3/2010
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Originally posted by Javan
Get over yourself. It's because Hillary has an ugly history. Bernie's history is clean.
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You clearly must not know of his rape essay then.
Clearly he's not clean but that's besides the point really.
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ATRL Senior Member
Member Since: 11/14/2008
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Incredibly disappointed that the DNC caved to their whining. I think a full week with limited to no access would've been a fair enough punishment. Bernie's campaign completely strong armed everyone to conform to their demands after being caught stealing from their competitor's campaign. Basically, Bernie's staff stole crucial data, info they allegedly no longer have in their possession. After threatened lawsuits and conspiracies launched, they get access back with nothing but a slap on the hand? I don't want to hear anything about corrupt, whining, or manipulation from Bernie's camp again after this debacle. They've sort of joined the territory of what they hate or protest so heavily against.
It is what it is, but this mess has given a black-eye to the DNC after a pretty much smooth primary campaign season, in-house that is. It's like the GOP with their candidates threatening to run as independents, only for them to recant those statements at the debate. Hopefully, after the primaries are over, cool heads will rise and mending fences will happen like after the hard fought 2008 primaries. There was bad blood all the way to, during, and after the Democratic Party Convention. The Clintons brushed it off and went to work campaigning for Obama after the loss. Were they angry, upset, or disappointed? Absolutely, but they by no means wanted a Republican in the White House and went to work for Obama. I'm sure Hillary or Bernie will do the same once coming to grips with the votes determining the final candidate for the party.
As for those being babies about "not voting," if their preferred candidate doesn't get the nomination (Hillary or Bernie), that's a horrid stance to take. Regardless if you like the nominations, you have a responsibility to vote and help elect from the candidates available, a new President. By no means do I want the GOP winning next year in November; not when I stand so against many of their stances on political matters. Sitting home doing nothing is the worse crime possible. Especially for black Americans and women who never always had the right to vote in this country. Those rights came after hard protests and sacrifices.
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Member Since: 11/28/2011
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Originally posted by RatedG²
You clearly must not know of his rape essay then.
Clearly he's not clean but that's besides the point really.
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I don't actually. Link?
And I was actually referring to a history of corruption and over shady scandals that would cause mistrust
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Member Since: 8/7/2015
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Originally posted by Javan
Get over yourself. It's because Hillary has an ugly history. Bernie's history is clean.
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Bahahahaha. Oh my, aren't you uninformed.
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Member Since: 8/3/2010
Posts: 71,871
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Originally posted by Javan
I don't actually. Link?
And I was actually referring to a history of corruption and over shady scandals that would cause mistrust
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True, for the most part he hasn't been embroiled in that but it's because he just hasn't been a high profile figure so controversy isn't magnetized to him. But that's for the most part, he still has his fair share
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Member Since: 8/3/2010
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Originally posted by foxaylove
Incredibly disappointed that the DNC caved to their whining. I think a full week with limited to no access would've been a fair enough punishment. Bernie's campaign completely strong armed everyone to conform to their demands after being caught stealing from their competitor's campaign. Basically, Bernie's staff stole crucial data, info they allegedly claimed to no longer have in their possession. After threatened lawsuits and conspiracies launched, they get access back with nothing but a slap on the hand? I don't want to hear anything about corrupt, whining, or manipulation from Bernie's camp again after this debacle. They've sort of joined the territory of what they hate or protest so heavily for.
It is what it is, but this mess has given a black-eye to the DNC after a pretty much smooth primary campaign season, in-house that is. It's like the GOP with their candidates threatening to run as independents, only from them to recant those statements at the debate. Hopefully, after the primaries are over, cool heads will rise and mending fences will happen like after the hard fought 2008 primaries. There was bad blood all the way to, during, and after the Democratic Party Convention. The Clintons brushed it off and went to work campaigning for Obama after the loss. Were the angry, upset, or disappointed? Absolutely, but they by no means wanted a Republican in the White House and went to work for Obama. I'm sure Hillary or Bernie will do the same once coming to grips with the votes determining the final candidate for the party.
As for those being babies about "not voting" if their preferred candidate doesn't get the nomination (Hillary or Bernie), that's a horrid stance to take. Regardless if you like the nominations, you have a responsibility to vote and help elect from the candidates available, a new President. By no means do I want the GOP winning next year in November; not when I stand so against many of their stances on political matters. Sitting home doing nothing is the worse crime possible. Especially for black Americans and women who never always had the right to vote in this country. Those rights came after hard protest and sacrifices.
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Agreed as always
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Online polls aren't good representations. There's a **** ton of bias that could occur.
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by foxaylove
Incredibly disappointed that the DNC caved to their whining. I think a full week with limited to no access would've been a fair enough punishment. Bernie's campaign completely strong armed everyone to conform to their demands after being caught stealing from their competitor's campaign. Basically, Bernie's staff stole crucial data, info they allegedly claimed to no longer have in their possession. After threatened lawsuits and conspiracies launched, they get access back with nothing but a slap on the hand? I don't want to hear anything about corrupt, whining, or manipulation from Bernie's camp again after this debacle. They've sort of joined the territory of what they hate or protest so heavily for.
It is what it is, but this mess has given a black-eye to the DNC after a pretty much smooth primary campaign season, in-house that is. It's like the GOP with their candidates threatening to run as independents, only from them to recant those statements at the debate. Hopefully, after the primaries are over, cool heads will rise and mending fences will happen like after the hard fought 2008 primaries. There was bad blood all the way to, during, and after the Democratic Party Convention. The Clintons brushed it off and went to work campaigning for Obama after the loss. Were the angry, upset, or disappointed? Absolutely, but they by no means wanted a Republican in the White House and went to work for Obama. I'm sure Hillary or Bernie will do the same once coming to grips with the votes determining the final candidate for the party.
As for those being babies about "not voting" if their preferred candidate doesn't get the nomination (Hillary or Bernie), that's a horrid stance to take. Regardless if you like the nominations, you have a responsibility to vote and help elect from the candidates available, a new President. By no means do I want the GOP winning next year in November; not when I stand so against many of their stances on political matters. Sitting home doing nothing is the worse crime possible. Especially for black Americans and women who never always had the right to vote in this country. Those rights came after hard protest and sacrifices.
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Its 2015 people, I've talked to some people who said they won't vote because they don't know what's going on in the election. Like, you have a $1000 phone in your hand at all times. Educate yourself. And people who say they won't won't vote because their nomination didn't make it, don't complain when we get a crappy president.
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Member Since: 6/25/2012
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Originally posted by Bey Admired
That might be because women are held to a different standard than men.
Hillary's team hack opponent data: She's a ruthless evil woman with no moral compass who should be thrown into prison.
Bernie's team hacks Hillary's data: Geez, give the guy a break. He probably didn't even know; even if he did, you can't stop him looking at his own data.
Just ridiculous at this point. At least try to keep up with the rest of the world America.
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Hilary isn't held to a diffrent standard cause she's a woman she's held to a different standard cause she's a Clinton
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Member Since: 11/28/2011
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Originally posted by RatedG²
True, for the most part he hasn't been embroiled in that but it's because he just hasn't been a high profile figure so controversy isn't magnetized to him. But that's for the most part, he still has his fair share
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There is nothing wrong with that essay. If writing an edgy piece about gender roles and rape culture is the worst thing he done in the last 40 years then...
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Member Since: 11/28/2011
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Originally posted by Bey Admired
Bahahahaha. Oh my, aren't you uninformed.
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Then go ahead and inform me sis
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ATRL Senior Member
Member Since: 3/22/2012
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Originally posted by Adonis
The problem for Hillary is this is yet another thing...that rightfully or wrongfully makes her look untrustworthy. Its really not just one thing its a combination of everything.
I agree Bernie is in the wrong here. People try to hack all the time knowing that it's illegal. Bernie probably knew about it and probably asked his staff to do it not really understanding the full scope of what he was asking.
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I don't think a single sane person would think this makes her look untrustworthy.
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Member Since: 8/7/2015
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Originally posted by SUNSET BLVD
FFS. It was a glitch in the software, not a hack job. Furthermore, he did take responsibility by reporting the glitch 30 mins after it was known and fired the staffer who accessed the data. Hop off his d***.
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Bernie supporters are aggressively fanatical.
Even if it was a glitch, it was something that his staff wilfully took advantage of. Someone was fired for a reason.
All Bernie had to do was agree to an independent audit and his access would be restored - instead, his campaign reacted petulantly. They threw a ****ing tantrum and that is what it is.
If this had happened to Hillary she would've at least had the wherewithal to agree to the terms of punishment the DNC had laid out, even if she was fuming privately and cursing them. This just makes the Sanders campaign look way in over their heads but no one will acknowledge that because he's gained some indie credibility and no one wants to look uncool by calling him out.
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Member Since: 11/28/2011
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Originally posted by Chanel.
I don't think a single sane person would think this makes her look untrustworthy.
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I wouldn't think a rational person would support Hillary either but hey! Apparently this is a new America
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Originally posted by ShouldersSideways
If this had happened to Hillary she would've at least had the wherewithal to agree to the terms of punishment the DNC had laid out, even if she was fuming privately and cursing them. This just makes the Sanders campaign look way in over their heads but no one will acknowledge that because he's gained some indie credibility and no one wants to look uncool by calling him out.
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Please elaborate
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Member Since: 8/18/2013
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Originally posted by Javan
I wouldn't think a rational person would support Hillary either but hey! Apparently this is a new America
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