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News: 9 Dead at Charleston Church. White Shooter Identified
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Originally posted by Roman Holiday
You both took the words right out of my mouth.
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Didn't wanna say it but yeah.
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I'm watching CNN and the crazy freak had a six month plan to creating a race war according to someone who knew him
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Originally posted by FAME.
It's because they're religious and dumb. Just like they let this kid just walk in there and sit down with them because that's the "holy" thing to do and "god loves all his children." Girl bye. Who the **** are you and what are you doing here? All of this is just further proof that religion is stupid and does more harm than good. If only these people weren't at church praising false prophets in the first place
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pretty much....
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I don't know if this was posted already, but the judge once said in another trial "There are four types of people in this world. Black people, white people, rednecks and n******"
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Originally posted by Giselle
I don't know if this was posted already, but the judge once said in another trial "There are four types of people in this world. Black people, white people, rednecks and n******"
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So ya'll are saying religion is dumb because the family and friends of the victims decided to forgive instead of being spiteful?
For those of you who aren't religious or understand Christianity, forgiveness isn't just about being nice because a book says so, it's about letting go of anger so you can have peace with YOURSELF. These people are hurt and angry, but they're giving up their rage so they can move forward with their lives; it has nothing to do with him. Faith was arguably what motivated African-Americans to survive through some of the hardest periods through slavery, and it was at the core of the Civil Rights Movement. These people aren't ignorant to what is going on. The pastor spoke for the death of Walter Scott and I'm sure they are still fighting for Black rights and equality.
This situation has really emotionally afflicted me, but what is even more disturbing is the responses to this and how little respect has been given regarding the lives of these people and how the public and media is trying harder to frame this terrorist as a lone-wolf that was failed by society while once again Black lives are taken in vain. We need to rise above this.
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Member Since: 1/1/2013
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Originally posted by NE.
So ya'll are saying religion is dumb because the family and friends of the victims decided to forgive instead of being spiteful?
For those of you who aren't religious or understand Christianity, forgiveness isn't just about being nice because a book says so, it's about letting go of anger so you can have peace with YOURSELF. These people are hurt and angry, but they're giving up their rage so they can move forward with their lives; it has nothing to do with him. Faith was arguably what motivated African-Americans to survive through some of the hardest periods through slavery, and it was at the core of the Civil Rights Movement. These people aren't ignorant to what is going on. The pastor spoke for the death of Freddie Gray and I'm sure they are still fighting for Black rights and equality.
This situation has really emotionally afflicted me, but what is even more disturbing is the responses to this and how little respect has been given regarding the lives of these people and how the public and media is trying harder to frame this terrorist as a lone-wolf that was failed by society while once again Black lives are taken in vain. We need to rise above this.
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Perfect post.
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Originally posted by FAME.
It's because they're religious and dumb. Just like they let this kid just walk in there and sit down with them because that's the "holy" thing to do and "god loves all his children." Girl bye. Who the **** are you and what are you doing here? All of this is just further proof that religion is stupid and does more harm than good. If only these people weren't at church praising false prophets in the first place
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And how, pray tell, is a church supposed to operate? It's a church! Visitors aren't admitted by referral. People walk in and sit down like they do at any public place. Dylann Storm Roof probably wasn't even the first random white person to show up at that church and sit down. People not giving him much of a side-eye because he walked in during Bible study isn't anymore unusual than someone not being side-eyed for walking into a restaurant or a shopping mall, and it aint got ish to do with being holy.
You really need to check yourself for calling the victims/families names because of their faith, like there was something they could've done to have prevented that ****. When was the last time somebody shot up a church and murdered 9 people like that? Oh that's right, never. There is no precedent for what Roof did. Up until this week, it would've made more sense for a black church in the South to take out a fire insurance policy to cover arson rather than worry about a mass shooting.This isn't about religious people being stupid for being religious. This is about a crazed racist who went on a rampage against a bunch of defenseless people. There is nothing that church congregation could have done to have stopped him, short of installing metal detectors and hiring security personnel to wave wands over entrants at the door, which no one would have thought to do anyway, because . . . ding, ding, ding, ITS A CHURCH and nothing like this has ever happened before!
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Originally posted by NE.
So ya'll are saying religion is dumb because the family and friends of the victims decided to forgive instead of being spiteful?
For those of you who aren't religious or understand Christianity, forgiveness isn't just about being nice because a book says so, it's about letting go of anger so you can have peace with YOURSELF. These people are hurt and angry, but they're giving up their rage so they can move forward with their lives; it has nothing to do with him. Faith was arguably what motivated African-Americans to survive through some of the hardest periods through slavery, and it was at the core of the Civil Rights Movement. These people aren't ignorant to what is going on. The pastor spoke for the death of Walter Scott and I'm sure they are still fighting for Black rights and equality.
This situation has really emotionally afflicted me, but what is even more disturbing is the responses to this and how little respect has been given regarding the lives of these people and how the public and media is trying harder to frame this terrorist as a lone-wolf that was failed by society while once again Black lives are taken in vain. We need to rise above this.
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Originally posted by NE.
So ya'll are saying religion is dumb because the family and friends of the victims decided to forgive instead of being spiteful?
For those of you who aren't religious or understand Christianity, forgiveness isn't just about being nice because a book says so, it's about letting go of anger so you can have peace with YOURSELF. These people are hurt and angry, but they're giving up their rage so they can move forward with their lives; it has nothing to do with him. Faith was arguably what motivated African-Americans to survive through some of the hardest periods through slavery, and it was at the core of the Civil Rights Movement. These people aren't ignorant to what is going on. The pastor spoke for the death of Walter Scott and I'm sure they are still fighting for Black rights and equality.
This situation has really emotionally afflicted me, but what is even more disturbing is the responses to this and how little respect has been given regarding the lives of these people and how the public and media is trying harder to frame this terrorist as a lone-wolf that was failed by society while once again Black lives are taken in vain. We need to rise above this.
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I don't think they need to make their forgiveness public, especially so soon after the tragedy. There are already a bunch of organizations and media outlets making excuses for the gunman and trying to derail the discussion to discuss faith and mental illness instead of what we should be talking about which is racism, terrorism, and gun violence. Having the press run with this "forgiveness" angle doesn't help matters. Let's talk about what measures are going to have to be put in place at Emanuel AME because of this attack Rather than publicly forgiving Roof's family, they need to examine his background and all the variables that contributed to his mindset and his act of terrorism. Let's start with this here flag flying at the South Carolina State House.
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Originally posted by uhoh-ohno
I don't think they need to make their forgiveness public, especially so soon after the tragedy. There are already a bunch of organizations and media outlets making excuses for the gunman and trying to derail the discussion to discuss faith and mental illness instead of what we should be talking about which is racism, terrorism, and gun violence. Having the press run with this "forgiveness" angle doesn't help matters. Let's talk about what measures are going to have to be put in place at Emanuel AME because of this attack Rather than publicly forgiving Roof's family, they need to examine his background and all the variables that contributed to his mindset and his act of terrorism. Let's start with this here flag flying at the South Carolina State House.
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Exactly. I can forgive once swift punishment is administered. Seeing this cold blooded murderer being treated better than a guy who sold cigarettes or any of the many many black people killed innocently by the very law enforcement that is supposed to protect them is disturbing to me. Watching the media immediately go with the whole the guy must have been mentally unstable angle to generate sympathy for a white guy killing people in an effort to start a race war is disgusting. Sometimes your hands might get a little dirty when cleaning up a mess.
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Watching the families of the victims push this forgiveness ******** is cringeworthy. He murdered your loved one, and you stand up only days later and say you forgive him?! It's so disingenuous
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Originally posted by ReginaPhalange
Watching the families of the victims push this forgiveness ******** is cringeworthy. He murdered your loved one, and you stand up only days later and say you forgive him?! It's so disingenuous
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I get that they want to appear to be the bigger person. Forgiveness is great but I want to see them put their money where their mouth is and let this guy walk. Otherwise you are right it is disingenuous.
The dead people aren't the only victims here. It's all the people he was trying to intimidate as well.
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All I want to know why did his parents gave him a damn gun for his birthday? and he plotted a mall shooting before this happened too.
He looks like the children of the corn. Creepy as hell.
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Governor Haley has called for the death penalty.
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This mofo's manifesto:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...manifesto.html
He's so ignorant, like he has absolutely no knowledge of the nation's history and no compassion or respect for humanity. The nerve of him to act like slavery, convict leasing (slavery after the civil war), and segregation didn't exist. In Mississippi black people were damn near starved to death just for trying have their right to vote, and were denied education (Freedom Summer).
Sad thing is there are so many in the world just as ignorant and delusional as him. Supremacists have such flawed logic. The fact that he wears a flag of Rhodesia and apartheid regime South Africa contradicts the "our country" argument. They simply want to rule the world, and think that only they belong in it.
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Originally posted by Fireman25
All I want to know why did his parents gave him a damn gun for his birthday?
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I got a gun for my birthday it's not that unusual.
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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Originally posted by NE.
So ya'll are saying religion is dumb because the family and friends of the victims decided to forgive instead of being spiteful?
For those of you who aren't religious or understand Christianity, forgiveness isn't just about being nice because a book says so, it's about letting go of anger so you can have peace with YOURSELF. These people are hurt and angry, but they're giving up their rage so they can move forward with their lives; it has nothing to do with him. Faith was arguably what motivated African-Americans to survive through some of the hardest periods through slavery, and it was at the core of the Civil Rights Movement. These people aren't ignorant to what is going on. The pastor spoke for the death of Walter Scott and I'm sure they are still fighting for Black rights and equality.
This situation has really emotionally afflicted me, but what is even more disturbing is the responses to this and how little respect has been given regarding the lives of these people and how the public and media is trying harder to frame this terrorist as a lone-wolf that was failed by society while once again Black lives are taken in vain. We need to rise above this.
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They probably portray him as a lone wolf because he was a lone wolf.
His words....
“We have no skinheads, no real KKK, no one doing anything but talking on the internet.”
Is there a group that has identified with him? Even the KKK has denounced him. And before you go off I think the KKK is despicable. You want to condemn groups because of the actions of individuals...fine, but be prepared because I guarantee you people can find individuals that identify with your groups that have committed similar evil acts.
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Originally posted by Goosey
I got a gun for my birthday it's not that unusual.
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Do you have any pending, felony drug possession cases and history of trouble with the law, like Dylann Roof? We'll see how "forgiving" the victims are of the Roof family when the prosecutor is able to demonstrate that Roof's father knew about Dylann's felony arrest and gave him that gun anyway.
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Originally posted by Adonis
I get that they want to appear to be the bigger person. Forgiveness is great but I want to see them put their money where their mouth is and let this guy walk. Otherwise you are right it is disingenuous.
The dead people aren't the only victims here. It's all the people he was trying to intimidate as well.
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As NE said so very well. Forgiveness is not about the perpetrator. It's about the victim. We need to forgive to move on. Sometimes we need to forgive ourselves. Without forgiveness, regret and hate will consume us. But that doesn't mean there are no repercussions. There are definitely prices to pay. for sin.
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