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Discussion: Linda Perry discusses Beyonce's songwriting
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An artist saying that he or she writes their own songs is NOT the same as that artist saying "I write my songs by myself". You all and your "1+1=3" logic.....next, you'll be saying Beyonce doesn't actually sing her songs because of how she once said in an interview "when I recorded Independent Women...."
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This is beautiful.
So much of it.
So nice to see some articulate heavy hitters come through with #facts. 
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Question: So, everyone in this thread is confirming that Beyoncé rarely actually "writes," but Beyoncé's "writing" consists of melody/harmony changes and ad libs? Is this correct? Enlighten me, I'm only a freshman at the School of Beygency.
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Originally posted by Dollas n Diamonds
"so yea" "in a way" "technically"
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You missed this part
If you listen to my version of “Irreplaceable” and listen to Beyonce’s version of “Irreplaceable”, its two damn totally different songs with all the harmonies and extra stuff she put in there. So yea, writer’s credit because that counts. "That’s writing". That harmony that you put right there. That little background part, I didn’t write that originally.
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Originally posted by PULSE.
Her ASCAP Award for Songwriter Of The Year doesn't agree. Facts only.
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Her awards for "IF I WERE A BOY"?? LOL
she didn´t write that song,that was a lie 
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Originally posted by Vin
Question: So, everyone in this thread is confirming that Beyoncé rarely actually "writes," but Beyoncé's "writing" consists of melody/harmony changes and ad libs? Is this correct? Enlighten me, I'm only a freshman at the School of Beygency.
...Vin
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Not one lyric in sight.
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Originally posted by JessPop
Something that Britney has also managed to do in her career. Didn't she write Everytime by herself at the piano as many people that were close to her during that time have attested to?
If Beyonce is so talented in the area of actually putting pen to paper and producing words that then turn into a viable song then it has not been proven as of yet. Despite the PR to the contrary.
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Yep! Britney started writing "Everytime" by herself on the piano. Same with a couple of her other songs.
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Originally posted by PULSE.
"That’s happened before. Here’s my thing, when I write a song for an artist I want that artist to take that song and make it their [own]. If you listen to my version of “Irreplaceable” and listen to Beyonce’s version of “Irreplaceable”, its two damn totally different songs with all the harmonies and extra stuff she put in there. So yea, writer’s credit because that counts. That’s writing. That harmony that you put right there. That little background part, I didn’t write that originally. You put that in there, so for her to take the song and make it her’s, I didn’t mind her saying ‘I wrote this song for my girls’ at a concert or whatever the case may be. Because in a way, technically, she did put her spin on it. If you gonna do it the exact same way I did it, you might as well let me keep it.” NE-YO
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How does this prove me wrong? The song was changed when he gave it to her team and 6 people worked on it, the changes were minimal as the songs still sound almost identical. So in conclusion: The demo was just slightly changed by Beyonce and 5 other writers, how much credit would you give her for that?
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Originally posted by Vin
Question: So, everyone in this thread is confirming that Beyoncé rarely actually "writes," but Beyoncé's "writing" consists of melody/harmony changes and ad libs? Is this correct? Enlighten me, I'm only a freshman at the School of Beygency.
...Vin
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Exactly. The Hive is hanging on to the fact that Beyonce doesn't write actual words. Her writing is humming and saying "ooooh".
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Originally posted by fede_ludo
Her awards for "IF I WERE A BOY"?? LOL
she didn´t write that song,that was a lie |
And she's not listed as a songwriter either Fail
"If I Were a Boy" - Toby Gad, BC Jean
fail 
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Originally posted by JessPop
Something that Britney has also managed to do in her career. Didn't she write Everytime by herself at the piano as many people that were close to her during that time have attested to?
If Beyonce is so talented in the area of actually putting pen to paper and producing words that then turn into a viable song then it has not been proven as of yet. Despite the PR to the contrary.
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Britney wrote Everytime with someone else too though.
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Originally posted by Vin
Question: So, everyone in this thread is confirming that Beyoncé rarely actually "writes," but Beyoncé's "writing" consists of melody/harmony changes and ad libs? Is this correct? Enlighten me, I'm only a freshman at the School of Beygency.
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Pretty much.
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Originally posted by GreasyBruce
Because then she goes on interviews and describes herself as a songwriter, receives awards for songwriting, when she is NOT a songwriter. Changing one word and singing some harmonies in the booth is not being a songwriter.
As someone who is an actual songwriter and has worked with songwriters, it's insulting.
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So you have worked with other songwriters? That means because you didn't write some of your songs all by yourself, you're not a songwriter. Hey, I'm only using ATRL logic here.
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Originally posted by GreasyBruce
This thread is not about the legal definition of songwriting, it's about songwriting as a craft and talent. Read Linda's original quote again.
In the industry, people who might have zero talent and just sing poorly into a microphone are considered "artists". But are they really artists? Do they create art? It's the same thing here. We're discussing if Beyonce can really be considered a true songwriter, someone who is able to take their life experiences and their way of viewing the world and put it into a unique piece of art in the form of a song.
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Yes. We answered that too.
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Originally posted by Sunshine.
The Hive isn't denying anything tho? Like are ya'll incapable of grasping language? 
Ya'll ASKED why she gets credit on songs she demoed.
The Hive gave you reasons why. (primarily vocal arrangements)
Ya'll SWORE she never wrote a lick of line in her lyrics.
The Hive gave you proof of her writing. (primarily DC work/freestyles) |
On the things she's not able to work from the scratch, she'll do what she can and receive last or second to last credit and that's where the legal applies.... on the things she does write as a creation of art....uhh...I already wrote this out too...
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Originally posted by Sunshine.
Beyonce has done many collaborations, but she also has projects that she's worked from the ground up.
No one can really make the blanket statement that she changes one word and that's it. That may be the case sometimes, but that's why she'll be listed last or second to last on the credits. Like in Smash Into You/Satellites where she's listed last or not listed at all like in If I Were a Boy/I Was Here.
That doesn't mean all her credits are attained that way.
In the case of Diva/Irreplaceable/Partition/Drunk In Love she wrote whole verses and it shows. |
She edits some song demos she likes to her liking and she receives the amount of credit she deserves (i.e. not usually first billing). Some songs she creates as a labor of love from the bottom up and she gets even more credit for that. I don't know why we can't leave it at that.
Why do you have to prove that she does nothing? 
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Originally posted by Summer
Exactly. The Hive is hanging on to the fact that Beyonce doesn't write actual words. Her writing is humming and saying "ooooh".
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Words are only half of what makes a song though. She contributes both words and/or melody/harmony if she feels like it.
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Originally posted by fede_ludo
Her awards for "IF I WERE A BOY"?? LOL
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When did she win a writing award for If I Were a Boy? Please come with actual facts.
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Originally posted by Summer
Exactly. The Hive is hanging on to the fact that Beyonce doesn't write actual words. Her writing is humming and saying "ooooh".
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Bey ha masterpieces come directly from those elongated ad-lib's and grunts during the recording sessions. Hew else but da QUEEN of modern-day songwriting technique could ever? 
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How does this prove me wrong? The song was changed when he gave it to her team and 6 people worked on it, the changes were minimal as the songs still sound almost identical. So in conclusion: The demo was just slighly changed by Beyonce and 5 other writers, how much credit would you give her for that?
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Mikkel S. Eriksen & Tor Erik Hermansen are the Producers aka Stargate. Who also stated Beyonce changed the song. Espen Lind and Amund Bjřrklund are a production team who worked with Ne-Yo. So, which member is apart of Beyonce team you speak of?
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Originally posted by PULSE.
And she's not listed as a songwriter either Fail
"If I Were a Boy" - Toby Gad, BC Jean
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well she said she wrote that song and the person who really wrote the song sued her
The Daily Telegraph reported that Knowles' father and then-manager Mathew Knowles pursued the publishing rights of "If I Were a Boy" after realizing that it had the potential to become a big hit, Jean used her Myspace account to express her frustration: "I have been reading some of these comments and to set the record straight from the horse's mouth – IF I WERE A BOY is my song; YES, I wrote this song; It is my story; a painful one, and the song is very dear to me. You can hear the original version on my myspace site." Friedman later reported that Knowles and Jean had come to terms. The deal included a promise that Knowles would record a duet with Jean for her debut album.
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Originally posted by paulyyyozd
The thing is she might've changed few words or harmonies so she'd like it better but it still shows how much of a nerve she has to add herself to songwriting credits for such a minor change. Any normal person would just feel wrong and embarrassed to do it but she pretends to create this songs all by herself and to be such a songwriter when she's just not. And that's so fake and sad
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