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Album: Beyonce - B'Day (9.5.2006)
Member Since: 7/7/2005
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Originally posted by B.R.I.A.N.
Beyonce has more Grammy's then all of them and if the Grammy committee responds to "B'Day" the way the critics have so far, she'll have double the amount the three legends have. That truly pisses me off.
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I fell ya on that. I love Beyonce but I she didn't deserve 5 Grammy's at all for DIL but that only when you compare her album to other masterpieces which DIL was far from. In the year 2003, Beyonce had the best album so earned them. Mariah, Janet and Madonna time was when they had heavy competition so of course the Grammy's weren't able to reward them for their work cuz there were other who deserved it just as much. There is no competition in this decade plus the Grammy's are goin by who year it was and rewarding them that way.
Its funny that your a fan of Mariah and Christina and I'm a fan of Beyonce and Whitney (and those other 2 just to a lesser degree). I respect your opinion so don't think I'm attacking you cuz I actually like hearing what you have to say. Makes me look at things differently.
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Member Since: 9/15/2004
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Originally posted by The Playboy of R&B
I feel the same way about Mimi (not Mariah) and Janet (2006) but different strokes for different folks. I've always thought Madonna was OVERRATED along with Britney but thats how the media/critics is. They choose who to build up and who to tear down. B is the it girl of the decade, I'm sure (I hope not) that one day people will say she's crap and blah blah blah and she'll fall off. You might as well get over it cuz thats not coming anytime soon. Trust me I've had to deal with Britney and Ciara for way LONGER then I would have liked but I don't make a big deal out of it.
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2 be honest i do like hearing ur opinions becos u make a lot of sense most times, and ur rants do make me laff; its just st8 to the point.
ANYWAY, Janet was a critical darling. One thing you can say about her, however, is that she is underrated in the industry compared to Madonna who is overblown. All Madonna did for women is showing them how to gyrate. Control, Rhythm, Janet and Velvet Rope are all considered classics by critics and fans even if they deserve more attention. TVR is actually one of my best albums.
So, if Beyonce is overrated blame the media. They put too much expectations on her. Nobody ever knew Check On It would go to #1, and u could tell it was a cheesy song, but b4 any1 knew it it went to #1, and she was being judged on its quality. Just imagine if Xtina ft Missy's 'Carwash' went to #1...
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Member Since: 7/7/2005
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Thanks for the compliment LOL. I feel ya on everythin u said. But people see it as Beyonce and like 50 cent said "Many men wish death upon me".
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Member Since: 8/20/2004
Posts: 1,299
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Originally posted by B.R.I.A.N.
I really like her Thank You/dedication to her nephew, Daniel. I can see it has given her new perspective on life. I can relate.
But c'mon, she didn't co-produce all of those tracks, lol.
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Yeah I know what you mean (about the first part). Iv got a baby sister (shes 5 now lol so i guess shes not a baby anymore) and shes brought so much more life to our family.
I dont agree so much with ur second statement. I mean i dont think the producers would be happy for her to take credit if she didnt deserve it.
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Member Since: 8/20/2004
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I just gotta add that the lines in the background of the pics annoy the hell out of me, and i wish they put the pics with her sitting in the back of the truck.
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Member Since: 10/18/2004
Posts: 3,295
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Originally posted by B.R.I.A.N.
Yes, I most definitely think it is true. Anything Beyonce releases is automatically praised by critics.
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Yep, I will NEVER forget the rave reviews Check On It and Deja Vu received.
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Member Since: 7/27/2003
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Originally posted by The Playboy of R&B
I fell ya on that. I love Beyonce but I she didn't deserve 5 Grammy's at all for DIL but that only when you compare her album to other masterpieces which DIL was far from. In the year 2003, Beyonce had the best album so earned them. Mariah, Janet and Madonna time was when they had heavy competition so of course the Grammy's weren't able to reward them for their work cuz there were other who deserved it just as much. There is no competition in this decade plus the Grammy's are goin by who year it was and rewarding them that way.
Its funny that your a fan of Mariah and Christina and I'm a fan of Beyonce and Whitney (and those other 2 just to a lesser degree). I respect your opinion so don't think I'm attacking you cuz I actually like hearing what you have to say. Makes me look at things differently.
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Looking back at the Grammys in early '04, you're right about no competition. I know great albums such as "Stripped" & "Elephunk" were released but I don't think they shared the same categories with DIL. And yes, the Grammy committee is pretty f'ed up now, even though I was happy with this year's ceremony. That goes back to Madonna & Janet; the Grammy committee worked much differently before, even though I still think they deserved much more accolades.
I too respect your opinion very much and you also make me think. The same can't be said for everyone lol.
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Originally posted by goldmember
2 be honest i do like hearing ur opinions becos u make a lot of sense most times, and ur rants do make me laff; its just st8 to the point.
ANYWAY, Janet was a critical darling. One thing you can say about her, however, is that she is underrated in the industry compared to Madonna who is overblown. All Madonna did for women is showing them how to gyrate. Control, Rhythm, Janet and Velvet Rope are all considered classics by critics and fans even if they deserve more attention. TVR is actually one of my best albums.
So, if Beyonce is overrated blame the media. They put too much expectations on her. Nobody ever knew Check On It would go to #1, and u could tell it was a cheesy song, but b4 any1 knew it it went to #1, and she was being judged on its quality. Just imagine if Xtina ft Missy's 'Carwash' went to #1...
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Going back to the Grammys; it seems ever since she swept, she has been overblown throughout the media. She became this gigantic superstar without the sales & quality to prove it.Trust me, it isn't her fans that annoy me *that* much. So yes, I blame it entirely on the media and I'm pretty sure I've made that clear before as well.
As for Madonna, look into her artistry. She has done alot and has released some of the best pop albums of all time, you won't regret it.
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Member Since: 7/27/2003
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Originally posted by Byronium
Yep, I will NEVER forget the rave reviews Check On It and Deja Vu received.
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Enough already, you're so late. Besides, you know what I mean.
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Member Since: 10/18/2004
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Originally posted by B.R.I.A.N.
Enough already, you're so late. Besides, you know what I mean.
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How am I late? I havent been on the cpu since I posted my last comment. Secondly, I still have no idea what u mean so....
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Member Since: 7/27/2003
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Originally posted by Byronium
How am I late? I havent been on the cpu since I posted my last comment. Secondly, I still have no idea what u mean so....
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You're late seeing how we already resolved this situation, for now. And how the hell do you not understand what I mean? How much clearer do I have to be?
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Member Since: 9/15/2004
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B.R.I.A.N. I have Madonna's 'Like A Virgin', and theres no denying that she has a stunning back catalogue. Am a really big fan of 'Take A Bow', 'Human Nature', 'Ray of Light' etc. But I still think shes overrated compared to Janet. Lets be honest, Madonna's greatest achievement was the sexual 'liberation' of women in music.
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Member Since: 12/23/2004
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^She is overrated. People act like she was the only one pushing boundaries back then. & Janet's music videos and choreography were much better. Madonna is good at evolving. But for the past few yrs. her look hasn't changed for the better. Which isn't surprising because her not having a strong voice was bound to catch up to her. But Janet's problem was that she was always in her brother's shadow and she still is. But I do agree w/ Brian's previous statements.
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Member Since: 7/27/2003
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Like A Virgin is her worst album, IMO lol.
I agree with you on Janet. Janet was once reinventive, up until recently. She has always sung and wrote about REAL social issues, something her contemporaries have a tendency to stay away from.
But I think Madonna's greatest achievement was assuming a different role in almost every song in her catalogue. She puts herself into a different perspective in almost every song. I know not everyone is going to agree with me but I truly feel that is her greatest achievement.
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Member Since: 12/23/2004
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Added note Grammy voters do tend to get things wrong. A lot of the great artists were snubbed in the past and its not because of the competition. Sometimes stuff like that happens. Led Zeppelin is one example. Oh yeah and Stripped and Justified came out in '02.
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Member Since: 7/27/2003
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Stripped & Justified didn't make the deadline for 2002 ceremony which was held in early '03. They were nominated artists along with Beyonce in the 2003 ceremony that took place in early '04. Right?
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Member Since: 12/23/2004
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^I do know that Christina's came out late and I don't remember Justin. But Christina and Justin were competition for each other last time and Beyonce was in different categories. I don't know what yr. that was because Christina didn't win. Justified beat Stripped for Best Pop but she won Best Pop Vocal for Beautiful in '04. So I'm guessing they did get the nod in '04. All in all they are each other's competition and they will be again in '07 adding John Mayer to the mix. Not really Beyonce because she's a different genre of music. I'm guessing that she'll have to compete w/ Mary and Corrine Bailey Rae. & I also think that Bob Dylan, Tom Petty, Bruce Springsteen, and Johnny Cash, probably John Mayer will take up the AOTY category.
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Member Since: 10/18/2004
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Originally posted by B.R.I.A.N.
You're late seeing how we already resolved this situation, for now. And how the hell do you not understand what I mean? How much clearer do I have to be?
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Who is "we"? The debate was between me and you. I still have no idea why you say Beyonce can give a pile of sh1t and it be praised. Idk what u and Chris and them other people was talkin bout..
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Member Since: 9/15/2004
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Originally posted by PANCOSNIC
^I do know that Christina's came out late and I don't remember Justin. But Christina and Justin were competition for each other last time and Beyonce was in different categories. I don't know what yr. that was because Christina didn't win. Justified beat Stripped for Best Pop but she won Best Pop Vocal for Beautiful in '04. So I'm guessing they did get the nod in '04. All in all they are each other's competition and they will be again in '07 adding John Mayer to the mix. Not really Beyonce because she's a different genre of music. I'm guessing that she'll have to compete w/ Mary and Corrine Bailey Rae. & I also think that Bob Dylan, Tom Petty, Bruce Springsteen, and Johnny Cash, probably John Mayer will take up the AOTY category.
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I would put the smart money on Christina getting an AOTY nod. Thats because the Grammys tend to buy into hype (e.g. Usher, Outkast, Mimi), and they like 'concept' or heavy-handed albums like that e.g. Alicia Keys, Norah Jones, Speakerboxx etc, not that I am sayin any of these albums are less deservin.
Its very unlikely that Beyonce will get such a nod,in fact the way her album is made she doesn't really seem to have grammys in mind to a large extent, because I would not say that you have too many 'vocal' performances on the album, compared to DIL, which I even felt 'Naughty Girl' could be nominated for Best Vocal.
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Member Since: 9/6/2006
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Bday is expected to sell over...
500k first week
read dat on pulse
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Member Since: 1/19/2006
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Omg, That Will Outdo Her Dil First Week Sales Of 350k.
I Think It Will Get Possibly 800k Cause Off 700k In Preorders.
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