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Chart Listings: US Airplay Discussion Thread
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Actually, on radio Team was almost as big as Royals.
Pop Spins
Royals 19,009
Team 18,732
Pop AI
Royals 117.818M
Team 114.889M
HAC Spins
Royals 7,548
Team 6,792
HAC AI
Royals 48.935M
Team 43.571M
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...wait for it...
Alternative Spins
Team 3,103
Royals 2,521
Alternative AI
Team 14.901M
Royals 11.131M
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Mmm, if it impacted Lorde's CD sales negatively, it's even more impressive how her album totally slayed esp as a breakout artist.
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Lorde seems more of an exception to the case, but even with her the releases after "Team" have struggled. Having one really big song come off of the CD that overshadows all of the other singles the label tries to release means everyone will just download the one mega-hit and ignore the album.
I know that "Teenage Dream" wasn't that long ago, but even its biggest hit "Firework" didn't keep other songs from performing very well (5 #1s & one #3 before special edition, then one more #1 and a #2). Teenage Dream also sold consistently, and is near triple platinum.
Perry pulled 8 Top 3s (and a 9th hit, her #1 Dance Club Song of the Year 2011 "Peacock"), off of "Teenage Dream". and all sold well. But only "Roar" and "Dark Horse" have done well from Prism; or only 2 songs with 5 mil+ downloads vs. 5 (?) from Teenage Dream, since fewer songs have the staying power to sell so strongly for so long. While I don't think Roar kept "Unconditionally" from being a hit, obviously Dark Horse has hindered attempted follow-ups off of Prism from being big hits.
I could say a lot more, but most would say I have said plenty already.
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Lorde seems more of an exception to the case, but even with her the releases after "Team" have struggled. Having one really big song come off of the CD that overshadows all of the other singles the label tries to release means everyone will just download the one mega-hit and ignore the album.
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Her releases after Team have struggled, but even so her album clearly has not been ignored. Its performance and consistency is much more impressive than certain other artists' albums with multiple big hits.
And anyway, since RED came out, only 2 albums (standard edition) have scored 3 T10s. 2 of Eminem's faded quickly, which mostly leaves Bruno. So it's not like albums are scoring smashes left and right these days regardless.
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Any news on "Bartender"'s crossover status? I heard it was supposed to be sent in September. With only a little reworking, Lady Antebellum's song is perfect for three of the four "Pop" formats (I'm excluding Rhythmic).
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Her releases after Team have struggled, but even so her album clearly has not been ignored. Its performance and consistency is much more impressive than certain other artists' albums with multiple big hits.
And anyway, since RED came out, only 2 albums (standard edition) have scored 3 T10s. 2 of Eminem's faded quickly, which mostly leaves Bruno. So it's not like albums are scoring smashes left and right these days regardless.
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And that is exactly my point. If one song from a release overly-dominates the CD, other songs won't do as well on the charts. Strangely enough, Luke Bryan has had three Top 20 songs and four Top 40 releases on the Hot 100 off of "Crash My Party", and he's a Country artist with no songs submitted for crossover (though two should have been) Not that many "Pop" artists are able to do that these days either.
***My mistake. Roller Coaster has only made it to #43 on the Hot 100, and is #44 with a bullet in it's 10th week. Bryan is almost there with 5 for 5, but not quite yet. I am sorry for my mistake.
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Originally posted by brianc33616
Lorde seems more of an exception to the case, but even with her the releases after "Team" have struggled. Having one really big song come off of the CD that overshadows all of the other singles the label tries to release means everyone will just download the one mega-hit and ignore the album.
I know that "Teenage Dream" wasn't that long ago, but even its biggest hit "Firework" didn't keep other songs from performing very well (5 #1s & one #3 before special edition, then one more #1 and a #2). Teenage Dream also sold consistently, and is near triple platinum.
Perry pulled 8 Top 3s (and a 9th hit, her #1 Dance Club Song of the Year 2011 "Peacock"), off of "Teenage Dream". and all sold well. But only "Roar" and "Dark Horse" have done well from Prism; or only 2 songs with 5 mil+ downloads vs. 5 (?) from Teenage Dream, since fewer songs have the staying power to sell so strongly for so long. While I don't think Roar kept "Unconditionally" from being a hit, obviously Dark Horse has hindered attempted follow-ups off of Prism from being big hits.
I could say a lot more, but most would say I have said plenty already.
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Originally posted by fridayteenage
Her releases after Team have struggled, but even so her album clearly has not been ignored. Its performance and consistency is much more impressive than certain other artists' albums with multiple big hits.
And anyway, since RED came out, only 2 albums (standard edition) have scored 3 T10s. 2 of Eminem's faded quickly, which mostly leaves Bruno. So it's not like albums are scoring smashes left and right these days regardless.
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All of this is why it will be really interesting to see how Yellow Flicker Beat does.
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Originally posted by brianc33616
Any news on "Bartender"'s crossover status? I heard it was supposed to be sent in September. With only a little reworking, Lady Antebellum's song is perfect for three of the four "Pop" formats (I'm excluding Rhythmic).
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It hasn't cracked the top 100 on any non-country format. 
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It hasn't cracked the top 100 on any non-country format. |
That doesn't make any sense, unless the label wants to get the follow-up going good at Country before crossing over "Bartender". However, trying to crossover songs too close to Christmas doesn't work well, because many AC stations flip to all Christmas music. Then, the other formats begin concentrating on the biggest hits of the year.
That's why Faith Hill's "Breathe" and Lonestar's "Amazed" were not sent to Top 40 or Hot AC until after Christmas (January 2000, but AC picked both songs up earlier), and that's what ended Carrie Underwood's 64 week-run on the Hot 100 with "Before She Cheats" in December 2006. If it's the label delaying the process, they need to hurry up. October starts Wednesday, and some AC stations go to Christmas as early as Veteran's Day. 
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That doesn't make any sense, unless the label wants to get the follow-up going good at Country before crossing over "Bartender". However, trying to crossover songs too close to Christmas doesn't work well, because many AC stations flip to all Christmas music. Then, the other formats begin concentrating on the biggest hits of the year.
That's why Faith Hill's "Breathe" and Lonestar's "Amazed" were not sent to Top 40 or Hot AC until after Christmas (January 2000, but AC picked both songs up earlier), and that's what ended Carrie Underwood's 64 week-run on the Hot 100 with "Before She Cheats" in December 2006. If it's the label delaying the process, they need to hurry up. October starts Wednesday, and some AC stations go to Christmas as early as Veteran's Day. |
Maybe they didn't send it to pop/HAC after all 
Adds dates are never something that can be 100% relied on. Labels often change their minds at the last minute regarding whether a song will be sent.
I personally do not think it will have any impact on the pop chart.
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That doesn't make any sense, unless the label wants to get the follow-up going good at Country before crossing over "Bartender". However, trying to crossover songs too close to Christmas doesn't work well, because many AC stations flip to all Christmas music. Then, the other formats begin concentrating on the biggest hits of the year.
That's why Faith Hill's "Breathe" and Lonestar's "Amazed" were not sent to Top 40 or Hot AC until after Christmas (January 2000, but AC picked both songs up earlier), and that's what ended Carrie Underwood's 64 week-run on the Hot 100 with " Before She Cheats" in December 2006. If it's the label delaying the process, they need to hurry up. October starts Wednesday, and some AC stations go to Christmas as early as Veteran's Day. |
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the tragedy is it being played to begin with
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Was it even sent for adds yet though? 
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Maybe they didn't send it to pop/HAC after all
Adds dates are never something that can be 100% relied on. Labels often change their minds at the last minute regarding whether a song will be sent.
I personally do not think it will have any impact on the pop chart. |
Considering the group already had one of the biggest crossover hits of all time, and a second Top Ten on the Hot 100, Lady Antebellum has a bit of advantage over other Country acts when it comes to crossing over to the "Pop" formats. I see they are performing the song on the Jimmy Fallon Show on 01 October, the day after their new CD 747 comes out, so that may be the crossover date.
No, I did not know that off of the top of my head lol. I looked it up on the group's website. 
Remember, "Need You Now" brought the group a huge number of "Pop" fans, so with a history of successful crossover hits that have not relied on ridiculous remixes to get airplay (though some stations chose to play the dance mix of "Need You Now" at Top 40, not all did), so I would not count the song out yet.
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One Hot AC station in Wichita, KS added the song on its own (like several stations did with "Play It Again"), but I would assume with the Jimmy Fallon show appearance and CD release that next week would be ideal to go for adds at AC/Hot AC/Top 40.
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Considering the group already had one of the biggest crossover hits of all time, and a second Top Ten on the Hot 100, Lady Antebellum has a bit of advantage over other Country acts when it comes to crossing over to the "Pop" formats. I see they are performing the song on the Jimmy Fallon Show on 01 October, the day after their new CD 747 comes out, so that may be the crossover date.
No, I did not know that off of the top of my head lol. I looked it up on the group's website.
Remember, "Need You Now" brought the group a huge number of "Pop" fans, so with a history of successful crossover hits that have not relied on ridiculous remixes to get airplay (though some stations chose to play the dance mix of "Need You Now" at Top 40, not all did), so I would not count the song out yet. |
I guess I would say I'm discouraged.
Besides Cruise (which needed a rapper), there hasn't been a successful country-to-pop crossover since NYN four years ago. Nothing tells me Bartender is going to buck that trend.
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KATY PERRY Roar: 23.009
NICOLE SCHERZINGER Run: 0.023
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Lady Antebellum's "Just A Kiss" (2011-12) was a Top Ten Hot 100 song, and it got significant airplay at AC and Hot AC, and had some success at Top 40. Jason Aldean's "Dirt Road Anthem" also reached the Top Ten, but I am not sure if that was only sales driven or not. I know the Ludacris remix provided a significant number of downloads that helped the song go quadruple-platinum, but I am not sure if any of the four Pop formats gave the remix any spins.
Had Hot AC not picked up "Don't You Wanna Stay" so fast, which had Jason Aldean and Kelly Clarkson, and the crossing over had been better coordinated with AC and Top 40, it would have charted higher. Also, don't forget "If I Die Young" by The Band Perry, after a remix (but from Country to Soft Rock, not Dance) reached the Top 15 in 2011, hit #1 on AC, Top Five on Hot AC, and Top 15 on Top 40, selling about 5 million downloads.So there were some significant crossovers between "Need You Now" and "Cruise". None were quite as big as those two songs, but there still was some crossover action.
Now I just wish we could get crossovers from Active Rock again...then I would really be a happy man. Shinedown's "Second Chance" was in 2009, over five years ago, and there were some songs non-Rock formats should have picked up and ran with since then but refused to..
BTW, Imagine Dragons "Radioactive" started at Alternative and crossed over to Active Rock before crossing over to several non-Rock formats, not making it a direct crossover. "Second Chance" either started at Active Rock and Alternative simultaneously, or Active Rock a week or two earlier, as many Rock stations played the song for a very long time, because true Rock to Pop crossovers were a rarity then and almost non-existent now. So an Active Rock crossover is even more overdue than a Country crossover.
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