Just in regards to early voting (and to back up what others are saying), we have it here in New Zealand for like a month-odd before our election and their results tend to be heavily weighted towards older voters. At the beginning of election night when they start showing results, they usually begin in favour of the right-wing parties and then slowly balance out (or not if the lead is too much to be caught).
I'd see no reason for it to be different in the States in regards to Hillary and Bernie; where Hillary is clearly the more conservative of the two.
I'd see no reason for it to be different in the States in regards to Hillary and Bernie; where Hillary is clearly the more conservative of the two.
You're not wrong, but this is exaggerated. They voted the same way like 86% of the time in the Senate, and they have many of the same policy goals. What differs is how they plan to achieve them. Hillary is in no way conservative by American political standards.
On a related note, I seriously can't at the people who say she's "basically a Republican."
You're not wrong, but this is exaggerated. They voted the same way like 86% of the time in the Senate, and they have many of the same policy goals. What differs is how they plan to achieve them. Hillary is in no way conservative by American political standards.
On a related note, I seriously can't at the people who say she's "basically a Republican."
I don't mean to be shady, I'm just stating facts.
While she is more conservative than Bernie Sanders, on the overall political spectrum, they aren't that different. But in a Democratic primary, those slight differences tend to get very exaggerated like you were getting at with my post and people put them in those boxes.
She's definitely FAR from being a Republican, though
I live in Arizona, and experienced the mess that was our Primary. People who don't live in understand, wouldn't get how our state has a reputation of 'election fraud'. We have the lowest local election turnout rates.
I waited 2 hours to spend not even 3 seconds crossing a line on the arrow for my designated candidate of choice. Two.... Hours.... In the Heat because there was no shade, and it was hooooot outside on Tuesday.
What they did was take 200 polling spots in Maricopa County (which we pretty much make up 80% of Arizona) to 60. Population breakdown, that's 108,000 voters at one precinct. I would love for ANYONE to try and tell me otherwise, but that alone was voter suppression. They somehow didn't put any polling stations near low income areas, and Latino neighborhoods, which I find disgusting and outrageous they would not put more polling places in areas ALL over, not just major "hot spots".
Oh, and our Democratic Party didn't UPDATE their voters list. So many people who changed parties, were declined to vote, because the system either never "changed" their party, or they were inputted into the incorrect party, and I believe one voter brought receipts and all for proof she did, indeed change her party way before the deadline. They got to vote via a provisional ballot, which, I don't even know if they COUNTED those yet.
CNN projected Hillary with only 1% in..... And we had thousands still in line waiting to vote. People were in line until 11:30- midnight. Like, absolute insanity.
Oh and the woman in charge of our state primary, an elected official, mind you, blamed the VOTERS for turning out. She said basically after that, "well, we have early voting for a reason"... Like, excuse me!?!? Unreal.
So, please, enlighten me HOW they can say we don't have rigged elections. Give me a ****ing break, anyone to try and say otherwise needs to seriously do some major history research. Shoot, has anyone even WATCHED CNN's "Race For The White House"?! Elections have been rigged for years. That's why we need to get away from third party electronic machines, how that is even allowed to be the counter of our votes is beyond me.
Just a mess. Severely disappointed with my states Election elected officials.
Impossible. The BernieBros made the entire thing up.
I don't really like these biased types of articles. It's either a Hillary supporter bashing Bernie, or in this case--a Bernie supporter bashing Hillary. I wish we could get an un-biased article.
I don't really like these biased types of articles. It's either a Hillary supporter bashing Bernie, or in this case--a Bernie supporter bashing Hillary. I wish we could get an un-biased article.
Same. Otherwise, what's the point? They're just telling people what they want to hear.
I don't really like these biased types of articles. It's either a Hillary supporter bashing Bernie, or in this case--a Bernie supporter bashing Hillary. I wish we could get an un-biased article.
Hillary is more liberal than 85% of all democrats. Are you telling me that 85% of all democrats (including Obama) are not that far off from republicans? Are even closer to republicans than her?
It's interesting. Makes a lot of valid points but I still think it's missing the point of why "young people are right about Hillary Clinton" because well...they aren't if they see her as this warhawk conservative democrat as she is portrayed by the left wing
I live in Arizona, and experienced the mess that was our Primary. People who don't live in understand, wouldn't get how our state has a reputation of 'election fraud'. We have the lowest local election turnout rates.
I waited 2 hours to spend not even 3 seconds crossing a line on the arrow for my designated candidate of choice. Two.... Hours.... In the Heat because there was no shade, and it was hooooot outside on Tuesday.
What they did was take 200 polling spots in Maricopa County (which we pretty much make up 80% of Arizona) to 60. Population breakdown, that's 108,000 voters at one precinct. I would love for ANYONE to try and tell me otherwise, but that alone was voter suppression. They somehow didn't put any polling stations near low income areas, and Latino neighborhoods, which I find disgusting and outrageous they would not put more polling places in areas ALL over, not just major "hot spots".
Oh, and our Democratic Party didn't UPDATE their voters list. So many people who changed parties, were declined to vote, because the system either never "changed" their party, or they were inputted into the incorrect party, and I believe one voter brought receipts and all for proof she did, indeed change her party way before the deadline. They got to vote via a provisional ballot, which, I don't even know if they COUNTED those yet.
CNN projected Hillary with only 1% in..... And we had thousands still in line waiting to vote. People were in line until 11:30- midnight. Like, absolute insanity.
Oh and the woman in charge of our state primary, an elected official, mind you, blamed the VOTERS for turning out. She said basically after that, "well, we have early voting for a reason"... Like, excuse me!?!? Unreal.
So, please, enlighten me HOW they can say we don't have rigged elections. Give me a ****ing break, anyone to try and say otherwise needs to seriously do some major history research. Shoot, has anyone even WATCHED CNN's "Race For The White House"?! Elections have been rigged for years. That's why we need to get away from third party electronic machines, how that is even allowed to be the counter of our votes is beyond me.
Just a mess. Severely disappointed with my states Election elected officials.
Thanks for your story, voter suppression is real
Try to tell this to some of the people in this thread, they'll call you a "conspiracy theorist Bernie Bro ;]"
Hillary is more liberal than 85% of all democrats. Are you telling me that 85% of all democrats (including Obama) are not that far off from republicans? Are even closer to republicans than her?
It's very easy to make such slogan-like statements without actually addressing things on an issue-by-issue basis.
Hillary is far, far, far from being a Republican, but she does have several stances that progressives despise, and that article wasn't too bad in recognizing many of these things.
Hillary's liberal, though. I wouldn't have laid my support behind her as well if she weren't.
Thanks for your story, voter suppression is real
Try to tell this to some of the people in this thread, they'll call you a "conspiracy theorist Bernie Bro ;]"
I don't think anyone ever doubted the Arizona testimonies and news reports were real. Heck I believed it. The problem was many of Bernie's supporters online said voters were suppressed by the Clinton camp to cheat and win AZ for her when none of the presidential campaigns had anything to do with the polling places being cut.
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It's very easy to make such slogan-like statements without actually addressing things on an issue-by-issue basis.
Hillary is far, far, far from being a Republican, but she does have several stances that progressives despise, and that article wasn't too bad in recognizing many of these things.
Hillary's liberal, though. I wouldn't have laid my support behind her as well if she weren't.
I haven't read the article after taking a look at the headline so I can't address the issues it made yet (I'll read it now) but of course she has many issues progressives despise. That's why I like her as much as I do. She's definitely a liberal but closer to a moderate than Sanders (except on like 5-8 issues) but I was only trying to make a point on her not being a republican (or not far from it). She's almost as far as you can get from a republican
I don't think anyone ever doubted the Arizona testimonies and news reports were real. Heck I believed it. The problem was many of Bernie's supporters online said voters were suppressed by the Clinton camp to cheat and win AZ for her when none of the presidential campaigns had anything to do with the polling places being cut.
I haven't read the article after taking a look at the headline so I can't address the issues it made yet (I'll read it now) but of course she has many issues progressives despise. That's why I like her as much as I do. She's definitely a liberal but closer to a moderate than Sanders (except on like 5-8 issues) but I was only trying to make a point on her not being a republican (or not far from it). She's almost as far as you can get from a republican
it's only projected, not confirmed.
