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she could have another top 20 song if she chooses the right lead single... or maybe if she did a collab with someone relevant, not nick carter... but i can't see artists like coldplay or calvin doing songs with her, so probably not.
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Originally posted by Lippy
Yeah she is truly over...
Dropped from Sony  , not having her own label...
Just look at her tragic website and all the broken links.
I don't even know if she still has a manager at this point...or did Gabebottom Panduro take control over that? 
Struggling charity, struggling clothing line, struggling health, struggling marriage (is she still married tho?), "Charming" being postpone to no date, having no business relationships (sans a few washed up rock singers), becoming irrelevant even in Asia, touring reputation damaged, people taking her music & person as a joke after Hello Kitty....not even releasing perfumes anymore.....not even paparazzi checking for her/chad anymore.
The only media coverage she gets is about being dead.
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The expose
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she could have another top 20 song if she chooses the right lead single... or maybe if she did a collab with someone relevant, not nick carter... but i can't see artists like coldplay or calvin doing songs with her, so probably not.
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Nobody decent wants to work with her and I think we all know she doesn't have the common sense to sort her career out herself.
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The Real Lavigne, Behind Ontario's pop-punk princess lurks a not-so-wild past
AVRIL LAVIGNE's image as a skateboarding, tough-talking pop-punk princess is more complicated than her fans might think.
The Napanee-bred 17-year-old singer's debut album Let Go is No. 3 on the Canadian retail album chart, just behind Eminem and Bruce Springsteen. Her debut single "Complicated" recently broke Madonna's record for most consecutive weeks at the top of the Contemporary Hit Radio chart.
The multimedia bio included with Let Go, released earlier this summer, describes Lavigne as "a skater-punk, a dynamic spirit, a true wild child," but that image is at odds with the young singer recalled by people involved with her early career.
They describe a bright, talented kid blessed with a decent voice, cover-girl looks and restless ambition. Lavigne recently told Rolling Stone of nightclub brawls and brandished knives, and she fosters the tough-girl image in her song "My World:" "Never wore cover-up/Always beat the boys up/Grew up in a 5,000 population town/Made my money by cutting grass/Got fired by a fried chicken *** /All in a small town, Napanee."
But there are no mean streets in Napanee, and Lavigne's early musical taste leaned more to the sunny new-country warblings of Faith Hill and Shania Twain ? far from the edgy sound of Let Go.
"She is not a skateboarder; she is not a punk. She is not from the streets. She is from a middle-class family in Napanee. She is from a very safe neighbourhood," says Cliff Fabri, whose Kingston company, RomanLine Entertainment, squired Lavigne through her early career.
Napanee-based singer-songwriter Stephen Medd, who worked with Lavigne in her early teens, also describes a much more level-headed young woman than the "wild child" portrayed in her publicity.
"(Avril was) just kind of incredibly positive. She babysat both my kids. They will say to this day that she is the best babysitter we ever had. She is engaging with people. She was a joy to work with. She had a real positive spirit about her," says Medd.
So the question remains: How did a small-town good girl with a penchant for the slick sounds of Nashville become a tough-gal icon with a punky take on pop music?
Lavigne is the child of John and Judy Lavigne (she has an older brother, Matt, 19, and a younger sister, Michelle, 14), and at an early age, she sang at fairs and in church. Medd first saw and heard her four years ago, when the then-13-year-old was singing in a Napanee musical theatre production, and he recruited her for his own indie CD.
The closest thing to rock 'n' roll in Lavigne's early repertoire was a cover of a song by the gentle pop act Sixpence None the Richer; she was happy to sing Medd's mixture of folk and country. "I didn't notice (the more aggressive style) until she did the Let Go CD," says Medd.
"Perhaps it was her love of singing that gave her the confidence."
Sessions in 1999 for his CD, The Quinte Spirit, were conducted in nearby Kingston, and Lavigne's studio performance of Medd's country-gospel song "Touch The Sky" did little to dampen his enthusiasm for her talent.
"It was absolutely amazing," he recalls. "The cut you hear on the CD is one take. This is a 14-year-old girl, never been in a studio, walks in like a pro and nailed it. It completely stunned me."
The following year, Medd produced a sequel CD, a tribute to the poet E. Pauline Johnson, My Window To You. On that record, Lavigne took the lead on two songs, "Temple Of Life" and "Two Rivers."
"She had the pieces," says Medd. "All the little nuances that truly good musicians can do with their voices. Dynamics was a big thing. Take a song down real soft and then just belt it out within a few bars."
In 1999, Lavigne won a contest held by an Ottawa radio station and earned the chance to get up onstage with her new country idol, Shania Twain. In front of about 20,000 fans at the Corel Centre, Lavigne brashly told Twain she wanted to be "a famous singer" and joined the superstar in singing Twain's "What Made You Say That?"
"Avril just got up there without batting an eye," says Medd, who was in the audience that night.
Around the time of Lavigne's guest appearance with Twain, the young singer came to the attention of Fabri, a manager who helped bring singer Jenifer McLaren and rockers Bomb32, since renamed Headstrong, to major-label deals. (Fabri and Lavigne parted company with a financial settlement more than a year ago.)
In December 1999, Fabri first observed her at the Kingston Chapters bookstore, singing karaoke new-country covers before a crowd of 15. "The thing that attracted me to her at Chapters wasn't the voice, wasn't the looks, wasn't the songs. It was the attitude, the confidence," he recalls.
If the sound of her music was radically different back then, so was her look. Early photos Fabri snapped at show a pretty, conservative teen. Later, she would experiment with wearing her hair in dozens of tiny braids (until she saw singer Christina Aguilera sporting the same 'do), and Fabri decked Lavigne out in a sportier look.
"All she had experienced, all she knew was country. She didn't know Blink 182 from Madonna," says Fabri, who soon was serving as the 15-year-old singer's manager and encouraging her to try songwriting. "I've never worked with an artist that doesn't write their own stuff. I don't want to work with a pop star. I want to work with someone who will tell your own story ... that's what people want to know about."
Fabri put together a videocassette of Lavigne performing onstage and in her parents' basement and sent it out to some industry insiders. Former Universal Music Canada exec Brian Hetherman was taken with Lavigne, and during the summer of 2000, travelled to Napanee to meet with her and her family. In the basement, she performed Sarah McLachlan's "Adia," Faith Hill's "Breathe" and a tentative original song.
"She had a lot of work to do, but I was really impressed. I looked at her as a little kid sister. I was really taken by her. I thought she was an absolute doll," says Hetherman, who followed up by sending Lavigne CDs by Holly McNarland, Blink 182 and the Matthew Good Band (Fabri says Good in particular influenced Lavigne's shifting musical taste).
Nettwerk Records v-p Mark Jowett met Lavigne and was also intrigued by her budding talent. "I don't know if she herself had a clear picture of her direction yet. I think her parents liked country quite a lot, and there was a part of her that was attracted to that kind of music," says Jowett.
To help her find a direction for her music, he arranged in the summer of 2000 for her to work in New York with producer/songwriter Peter Zizzo (who has written for Jennifer Lopez, Céline Dion and Alannah Myles).
Initially, they worked on cutting one of Zizzo's compositions, but Fabri says he pushed for his client to co-write. The result was a song called "Why." Ultimately, the track didn't make it onto Let Go, but it proved she could compose her own songs.
"On the way home (to Napanee), we must have played it over 100 times," Fabri says. "The parents were going: She can write! Her confidence just soared. From then on, she never wanted to talk about doing other people's songs."
On a subsequent writing trip, Ken Krongard, at the time a talent scout with Arista Records, stopped by the studio and was so energized by Lavigne, he arranged to bring her back to New York to perform for label boss Antonio "L.A." Reid.
In the fall of 2000, Lavigne, Fabri and Zizzo hosted the record mogul at Zizzo's studio. Lavigne did two of Zizzo's songs and closed with "Why." Reid thanked her for singing, told her she was wonderful and left. Soon a limo arrived to take the group to dinner at the top of the World Trade Center. Arista wanted to sign Lavigne.
According to Fabri, they had a two-album deal with Arista worth $1.25 million (U.S.) and a pricey Manhattan apartment to live in while they worked on songs for the album. What they didn't have is a satisfactory musical direction for Lavigne.
In the quest for a different sound, Fabri and Lavigne travelled to L.A. in May 2001 and, through a publishing industry contact of Fabri's, hooked up with songwriter Clif Magness.
After their initial three-hour writing session, Magness and Lavigne came up with the Let Go track "Unwanted" ? a mixture of gurgling synths, dramatic, crunching guitar chords and lyrics that seem to vent about her songwriting experiences: "I tried to belong/It didn't seem wrong/My head aches/It's been so long/I'll write this song, if that's what it takes."
"When I heard `Unwanted,' we were literally doing ring-around-the-rosie. Jumping up and down, high-fiving," says Fabri, but the reaction was cool when he played it for the label. Fabri claims people told him Arista's expectations were more pop-oriented, and this stuff rocked too hard.
During their weeks in L.A., Lavigne and Fabri also called on the songwriting and production team of Lauren Christy, Graham Edwards and Scott Spock.
The trio played a song they had prepared for Lavigne, but Fabri says this, too, was unsatisfactory, and played them Lavigne's Magness collaboration "Unwanted" as an indication of what they were looking for.
Fabri left Lavigne with the producers, and when he returned a few hours later, they were finishing up "Complicated," the song that would launch her career.
Fabri describes this period as the happiest of his tenure with the singer. But within two weeks, he was gone as Lavigne's manager (he says he's restricted in what he can say about the split), and the singer signed up with the management division of Jowett's Nettwerk empire. The label may have lost out to Arista in signing Lavigne, but now it had her in its management stable, alongside two other acts that also record for Arista in the U.S. ? Sarah McLachlan and Dido.
If there was, as Fabri claims, resistance to unleashing Lavigne's edgier side and a tendency to frame her somewhere in between the worlds of teen pop and new country, something evidently changed in the intervening year. Those two trends in music ? so dominant in the last decade ? have retreated, replaced by a host of edgier, arguably more honest sounds.
And it's also proven to be an incredibly popular sound. Last month, Let Go became the first album (barring soundtracks and compilations) in the history of the SoundScan sales chart to record five consecutive weeks of increased sales, and it has already been certified platinum by the Record Industry Association of America. Her fortunes are just gathering steam; she recently wrapped a video for her next single, "Sk8er Boi," which will likely further buoy sales of Let Go.
Hetherman says Lavigne's album coincides with a time when young record buyers are looking for something more substantial. "Kids that were 12 or 13 four years ago, buying Britney and Backstreet are like we all were when we became 16 or 17. Now they want more."
Fabri says he can't comment on Lavigne's personal life, but it's reasonable to assume that the challenges facing any teen may have influenced the development of her music.
"The way Avril comes across is a lot rawer and hits different emotional chords," Jowett says of the sound and image presented on Let Go. "I think (her success) might be because it relates more to what kids actually go through, rather than what kids actually aspire to."
Lavigne herself seems to have addressed those questions in her song "Nobody's Fool:"
"If you're trying to turn me into someone else/It's easy to see I'm not down with that ...
``I might have fallen for that when I was 14 and a little more green/But it's amazing what a couple of years can mean."
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I had a fun experience that I want to share with you all.
Last weekend I went to a Summer Set concert in Manhattan. In the general admission line outside the theater, I started talking to a couple of girls in their late teens. I mentioned to them that Avril is one of my main pop girls. I also sarcastically said "I hope you all remember Avril". One of the girls said "Avril was once my queen of everything" and the other girl said "Avril just popped up on my Twitter newsfeed". 
Before the concert inside the theater, Sk8er Boi and Third Eye Blind's Semi-Charmed Life were played on the PA system, and the entire audience started rocking out. Then, Carly Rae Jepsen's Run Away With Me came on the PA system, and the entire audience became silent.
Obviously, Avril is still a (relevant) household name all over the world. And seeing as how a good portion of the GP has no strict bias against "dated" music (Sk8er Boi is from 2002 and Semi-Charmed Life is from 1997!) being played on the radio, I truly believe that Avril can still make a comeback with the proper material and with proper marketing.
EDIT: If you aren't familiar with The Summer Set, they're like Boys Like Girls, We The Kings, Yellowcard, All Time Low, and all those other bands that you'd expect to see on the Warped Tour. The only difference is that The Summer Set comes up with good melodies.
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Originally posted by Lippy
Yeah she is truly over...
Dropped from Sony , not having her own label...
Just look at her tragic website and all the broken links.
I don't even know if she still has a manager at this point...or did Gabebottom Panduro take control over that?
Struggling charity, struggling clothing line, struggling health, struggling marriage (is she still married tho?), "Charming" being postpone to no date, having no business relationships (sans a few washed up rock singers), becoming irrelevant even in Asia, touring reputation damaged, people taking her music & person as a joke after Hello Kitty....not even releasing perfumes anymore.....not even paparazzi checking for her/chad anymore.
The only media coverage she gets is about being dead.
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Originally posted by HBK-79
I had a fun experience that I want to share with you all.
Last weekend I went to a Summer Set concert in Manhattan. In the general admission line outside the theater, I started talking to a couple of girls in their late teens. I mentioned to them that Avril is one of my main pop girls. I also sarcastically said "I hope you all remember Avril". One of the girls said "Avril was once my queen of everything" and the other girl said "Avril just popped up on my Twitter newsfeed".
Before the concert inside the theater, Sk8er Boi and Third Eye Blind's Semi-Charmed Life were played on the PA system, and the entire audience started rocking out. Then, Carly Rae Jepsen's Run Away With Me came on the PA system, and the entire audience became silent.
Obviously, Avril is still a (relevant) household name all over the world. And seeing as how a good portion of the GP has no strict bias against "dated" music (Sk8er Boi is from 2002 and Semi-Charmed Life is from 1997!) being played on the radio, I truly believe that Avril can still make a comeback with the proper material and with proper marketing.
EDIT: If you aren't familiar with The Summer Set, they're like Boys Like Girls, We The Kings, Yellowcard, All Time Low, and all those other bands that you'd expect to see on the Warped Tour. The only difference is that The Summer Set comes up with good melodies. |
TRAGIC!
RAWM is HEAVENLY!
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Originally posted by HBK-79
I had a fun experience that I want to share with you all.
Last weekend I went to a Summer Set concert in Manhattan. In the general admission line outside the theater, I started talking to a couple of girls in their late teens. I mentioned to them that Avril is one of my main pop girls. I also sarcastically said "I hope you all remember Avril". One of the girls said "Avril was once my queen of everything" and the other girl said "Avril just popped up on my Twitter newsfeed".
Before the concert inside the theater, Sk8er Boi and Third Eye Blind's Semi-Charmed Life were played on the PA system, and the entire audience started rocking out. Then, Carly Rae Jepsen's Run Away With Me came on the PA system, and the entire audience became silent.
Obviously, Avril is still a (relevant) household name all over the world. And seeing as how a good portion of the GP has no strict bias against "dated" music (Sk8er Boi is from 2002 and Semi-Charmed Life is from 1997!) being played on the radio, I truly believe that Avril can still make a comeback with the proper material and with proper marketing. |
Let Go ha impact! 
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"Avril just popped up on my Twitter newsfeed"
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I just realize that Avril has amazing tour music videos (if that's even a thing) 
Goodbye and Bad Girl >>> half of AL music videos
And I realize that she slayed Old Hollywood look:
Goodbye video
Nobody's Home mv
Vogue Italy
Let Me Go single cover
She needs Mark Liddell back for her self-released indie 5th album.
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Originally posted by HBK-79
I had a fun experience that I want to share with you all.
Last weekend I went to a Summer Set concert in Manhattan. In the general admission line outside the theater, I started talking to a couple of girls in their late teens. I mentioned to them that Avril is one of my main pop girls. I also sarcastically said "I hope you all remember Avril". One of the girls said "Avril was once my queen of everything" and the other girl said "Avril just popped up on my Twitter newsfeed".
Before the concert inside the theater, Sk8er Boi and Third Eye Blind's Semi-Charmed Life were played on the PA system, and the entire audience started rocking out. Then, Carly Rae Jepsen's Run Away With Me came on the PA system, and the entire audience became silent.
Obviously, Avril is still a (relevant) household name all over the world. And seeing as how a good portion of the GP has no strict bias against "dated" music (Sk8er Boi is from 2002 and Semi-Charmed Life is from 1997!) being played on the radio, I truly believe that Avril can still make a comeback with the proper material and with proper marketing.
EDIT: If you aren't familiar with The Summer Set, they're like Boys Like Girls, We The Kings, Yellowcard, All Time Low, and all those other bands that you'd expect to see on the Warped Tour. The only difference is that The Summer Set comes up with good melodies. |
Doubt it.
Avril may be a household name, but it's limited to people in their twenties or thirties.
Teens barely think of her, and they drive a lot of streaming now. This isn't a problem with acts like Beyonce and Pink, but that's because they either have recent hits and / or a stable older fanbase to purchase their albums.
But that only happens because they're considered as legitimate artists and have label support. Avril has neither of those going for her. She hasn't made any cultural impact since 2007, and you're going to be hardpressed to find a major label willing to invest in an artist that can bring them neither critical nor commercial success.
You found a niche audience, but they don't represent the general public. Of course no one knows what's going on in her head, but based off what we've seen, Avril's time in the sun is up.
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She needs Mark Liddell back for her self-released indie 5th album.
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He gave us that horrendous self-titled shoot though - but I suppose we have Gabriel and Avril's god awful taste to blame for that. 
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He gave us that horrendous self-titled shoot though - but I suppose we have Gabriel and Avril's god awful taste to blame for that. |
You're right. Mark's vision was followed in magazine shoots while Avril, etc's in that album shoot.
I wonder of all the people Avril worked with then end up parting bitterly, why Gabe gets to stay.
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Avril needs to go full Twenty One Pilots type of music + release a collab with Miley Cyrus just in case for the lead single
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I miss Sk8er Boi's youtube views update. 
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Avril needs to go full Twenty One Pilots type of music + release a collab with Miley Cyrus just in case for the lead single
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Avril might finally get to know them in 2020 knowing that she's still bopping to Trap Queen.
But you're right, she could really slay tøp's sound. She loves to rap, she's still loves pop punk and she better experiment with indie pop/electropop.
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Avril might finally get to know them in 2020 knowing that she's still bopping to Trap Queen.
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We should have appreciated ha more. 
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Originally posted by caleb.
I just realize that Avril has amazing tour music videos (if that's even a thing)
Goodbye and Bad Girl >>> half of AL music videos
And I realize that she slayed Old Hollywood look:
Goodbye video
Nobody's Home mv
Vogue Italy
Let Me Go single cover
She needs Mark Liddell back for her self-released indie 5th album.
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He's basic  Well except for that photoshoot she did for Prestige (?) where she was dressed up as a mannequin/doll.
Queen needs Terry Richardson for controversy/relevance. 
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Nobody's Home is nearly 100k views away from 50 million 
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Avril should've punched that bitch for stealing Breakaway 
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