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News: City where HIV first infected a human found.
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This thread is such a gift.
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Originally posted by FOCK
It's not a "theory" that white people, the British in particular, introduced and brought with them diseases that affected EVERY SINGLE INDIGENOUS area they occupied. This is fact.
The Aborigines of Australia & The Native Americans, for example, were victims of such foreign diseases.
Historically, white people had incredibly low hygiene standards - with diseases like the plague etc.
If this African nation had been consuming so called "ape meat" for goddamn near centuries - how curious that the HIV virus only popped up around the time the Belgians settled (according to this source).
The white denial is real.
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now you're acting like white people were the only ones to ever have poor sanitation.
white people bringing disease to native americans/other places didn't have much to do with sanitation. these areas weren't used to the diseases that were found in europe and had no natural immunity to them or medicine created to fight them, so they did much more damage and spread more easily.
i guess poor sanitation could have something to do with it, but it's not like viruses never mutate without it, so that's not really solid proof either.
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So let me get this straight. Indigenous people had the virus and the Belgiums spread it to Europe?
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Originally posted by St. Charles
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The truth, mainly.
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Originally posted by FOCK
Europe was riddled with disease.
The fact is, none of this can be proven. This is one theory of many that contradict it.
All I'm saying is, if we were to look at the wider scope, white people had the weaker immune systems due to a lack of hygiene & not "living off the land" in a sense that the indigenous communities often did & developed resilliance.
It's far more likely for the virus to have affected the delicate white flower being exposed to new surroundings, than the people who'd been living off their land for centuries just fine.
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This is an important thread, keep it open.
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Originally posted by FOCK
Europe was riddled with disease.
The fact is, none of this can be proven. This is one theory of many that contradict it.
All I'm saying is, if we were to look at the wider scope, white people had the weaker immune systems due to a lack of hygiene & not "living off the land" in a sense that the indigenous communities often did & developed resilliance.
It's far more likely for the virus to have affected the delicate white flower being exposed to new surroundings, than the people who'd been living off their land for centuries just fine.
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This post is so absurdly stupid and ignorant of how viruses are transmitted and originated I literally cannot. I have no words for this blatant stupidity omg
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Originally posted by Sinvius
I could really go into detail trying to explain this to you, but I can't be bothered, this discussion has exhausted its fun for me.
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Don't get me wrong. You're usually right on a lot of the things that you say.
But I just don't agree with the argument that someone has to be in a position of power to be racist. Other POC can be racist toward each other even when there really is no "historical backing of hate." Going by the literal definition of racism, anyone can be racist toward anyone.
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Originally posted by MrTiko
Don't ****ing tell me to find a ****ing hobby bitch when my people have been suffering for centuries at the hands of white men. You guys have ****ing ripped the culture and love out my land, and then stomp on us as you tell us to fix ourselves. Y'all mother****ers are EVERYWHERE. I don't wanna share this with y'all. It breaks my soul and heart to think of all the countless little black bodies that were raped and mutilated. Now y'all wanna tell me to go get a hobby?? When y'all single handedly destroyed a massive continent full of riches and treasures?? Boy if you don't get out here...! WOO! I can't even.
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Literally an Azealia Banks quote
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Originally posted by Sinvius
This is exactly what I'm talking about! Do you guys not listen to what you're answering? White people have throughout history perpetuated racism to the fullest, more so than any other country in the world. Nobody claims that racism didn't exist in areas without white people, but it is UNDENIABLE that the biggest problem with racism are white people.
Now the thing is that when somebody says something like this, your initial reaction is not to think about the actual racism, but to immediately go and somehow find an excuse "oh no but look there are also these people who did this" "oh no look white people aren't guilty because there are others who did it before them"
It's the typical narrative of a white person to make up excuses when accused of being racist instead of saying "wait, what was it that i said that was racist?"
Do y'all see how literally every answer in this thread is just avoiding the general thesis, and providing excuses or anything that will steer away from racism or anything bad being tied to white people
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You better EDUCATE them!
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White people are not inherently evil. Their upbringing and society instills in them certain perceptions about the world on various levels of consciousness. That doesn't mean that all white people are bad though. And it isnt helpful to generalize them and then complain when the same is done to us. But neither is the unwillingness to reverse the historical conditioning that pervades the average white person's mind and personality. When the very source of stressed relations is ignorance on both sides, the first thing one should do when confronted with the possibility that they are perpetuating a destructive cycle is to try to understand. Allow yourself to see the other side and thus inside. Then and only then can we grow.
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Originally posted by RomanNavy
Like African people wouldn't have explored and colonized if they were as technically advanced as Europeans back then
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Depends on what part of Africa you're talking about because most of Precolonial-Africa did not have giant communities with centralised power, ethos' of capitalism, luxury through exploitation and insatiable quests of imperialism. It wasn't ever their motto. That was a European motto
It's funny how in every cultural appropriation or zwarte pete thread you cry about Americans forcing their cultural norms and truths on Europeans when you are doing the exact same for Africans, assuming that what is true for Europe is true for Africa. Societies from around the world run on different ideals and structures, there isn't 1 direction of history that Europeans just happen to be leading. We may not even have a fundamental human nature.
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Originally posted by KyIe
This post is so absurdly stupid and ignorant of how viruses are transmitted and originated I literally cannot. I have no words for this blatant stupidity omg
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I felt the same way about your post but you didn't hesitate snapping on me. I feel that this post has more truth to it
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Originally posted by YemiKing
You better EDUCATE them!
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White people are not inherently evil. Their upbringing and society instills in them certain perceptions about the world on various levels of consciousness. That doesn't mean that all white people are bad though. And it isnt helpful to generalize them and then complain when the same is done to us. But neither is the unwillingness to reverse the historical conditioning that pervades the average white person's mind and personality. When the very source of stressed relations is ignorance on both sides, the first thing one should do when confronted with the possibility that they are perpetuating a destructive cycle is to try to understand. Allow yourself to see the other side and thus inside. Then and only then can we grow.
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This is completely correct expect the problem with ATRL is that most members seem to neglect the "both sides" part whether it be one side or the other.
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Originally posted by Iyanla, Fix Me
Literally an Azealia Banks quote
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Originally posted by Iyanla, Fix Me
Literally an Azealia Banks quote
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Impact
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Originally posted by St. Charles
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It's tea. Hope you enjoyed the drink!
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Originally posted by KyIe
This is completely correct expect the problem with ATRL is that most members seem to neglect the "both sides" part whether it be one side or the other.
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I agree. Even if we found out who did it... then what? What changes? There is no victory to be had so it's kind of pointless to argue "which side" did it.
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Originally posted by Floyd Mayweather
I felt the same way about your post but you didn't hesitate snapping on me. I feel that this post has more truth to it
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Okay well how you FEEL doesn't mean s*** when I am using SCIENCE AND SCIENTIFIC ARTICLES AND JOURNALS AND EVIDENCE. I really don't give a f*** if you think its a conspiracy or that you felt the same way about my post because you clearly have no knowledge of the subject matter at all. Go get educated then come back. Thanks.
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Originally posted by YemiKing
You better EDUCATE them!
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White people are not inherently evil. Their upbringing and society instills in them certain perceptions about the world on various levels of consciousness. That doesn't mean that all white people are bad though. And it isnt helpful to generalize them and then complain when the same is done to us. But neither is the unwillingness to reverse the historical conditioning that pervades the average white person's mind and personality. When the very source of stressed relations is ignorance on both sides, the first thing one should do when confronted with the possibility that they are perpetuating a destructive cycle is to try to understand. Allow yourself to see the other side and thus inside. Then and only then can we grow.
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FINALLY
A sane and helpful comment.
This should be added on ATRL's home page for everyone to see.
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Originally posted by St. Charles
Don't get me wrong. You're usually right on a lot of the things that you say.
But I just don't agree with you trying to say that you have to be in a position of power to be racist. Other POC can be racist toward each other even when there really is no "historical backing of hate." Going by the literal definition of racism, anyone can be racist toward anyone.
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I would argue that they cannot be racist towards each other. And before you go and bring up the dictionary definition of racism, it is important to understand that racism goes W A Y beyond name calling and racial slurs. It is a system which ONLY white people benefit from.
When a PoC for instance makes a joke about white people, it goes nowhere further than that specific joke. A white person will not get discriminated because of that joke, they won't have to fear losing their job over their joke, they won't have to worry about any social situations other than that situation in which a joke is made. When a white person makes a joke about a PoC, they're usually perpetuating harmful stereotypes that can actively HARM PoC in social situations. A joke about dreads being messy, unkempt and dirty will eventually lead to PoC not being able to wear their natural hair in a work environment, because it will be seen as unprofessional, rather than just a natural way for their hair to grow.
That's because white people will use racism as a means of systematic oppression of PoC. A PoC is not capable of this, therefore they can't be racist.
And to tackle your point that they can be racist towards their each other, in case you're referring to colorism, that is inextricably tied to internalized racism and self-hatred, which is common in black communities - but all of that is nothing more than just another harmful side effect of the main issue, which is, of course, racism.**
** Edit : if white people didn't put the european standards of beauty as the norm and lighter skin tones as desirable, black people would have no need to hate on each other for being darker / lighter
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