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Discussion: Linda Perry discusses Beyonce's songwriting
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Originally posted by Sunshine.
Because like you said, she changed one word and a few harmonies that are different.
And again... she's listed last in the booklet. So it's like she's claiming to have written the whole song.
Should she not get credit?
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Because then she goes on interviews and describes herself as a songwriter, receives awards for songwriting, when she is NOT a songwriter. Changing one word and singing some harmonies in the booth is not being a songwriter.
As someone who is an actual songwriter and has worked with songwriters, it's insulting.
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Originally posted by Superpower
And your point is?
Everyone who has worked with Beyoncé has gotten songwriting credits.
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To imply that she gives people songwriting credits out of kindness is just foolish. Those songs are copyrighted, and you can end up in court for not crediting the creators of the original.
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Originally posted by GreasyBruce
What melody did she write on "Smash Into You"? The melody is literally the same as the demo sung by the original artist. Same with "Irreplaceable", "Halo", etc.
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Did she not change lyric, notes in "Smash Into You"? Yes. 
Ne-Yo and Ryan have BOTH stated how she changed the songs. Give it up So you're going to tell the people who worked on the song she didn't?
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Originally posted by paulyyyozd
The Hive just CAN'T accept the truth  |
But we have receipts to back up what we are saying. You on the other hand, have nothing and still refuse to accept the real truth
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Originally posted by paulyyyozd
The Hive just CAN'T accept the truth |
Songwriting or not, Beyonce is the Queen and she can and SHE WILL do anything and everything she pleases.  And ya'll haters will DEAL.
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C'mon Hive. Of course Ne-Yo and Tedder are going to say the song sounds different. They are not dumb. Beyonce can literally destroy their careers if she wanted to.
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Originally posted by Summer
You must be deaf to not here that the melody is literally the same as the demo. |
"That’s happened before. Here’s my thing, when I write a song for an artist I want that artist to take that song and make it their [own]. If you listen to my version of “Irreplaceable” and listen to Beyonce’s version of “Irreplaceable”, its two damn totally different songs with all the harmonies and extra stuff she put in there. So yea, writer’s credit because that counts. That’s writing. That harmony that you put right there. That little background part, I didn’t write that originally. You put that in there, so for her to take the song and make it her’s, I didn’t mind her saying ‘I wrote this song for my girls’ at a concert or whatever the case may be. Because in a way, technically, she did put her spin on it. If you gonna do it the exact same way I did it, you might as well let me keep it.” NE-YO
Explain... I'll wait
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Originally posted by Sunshine.
That's based on what we know of the legal definition of songwriting. |
This thread is not about the legal definition of songwriting, it's about songwriting as a craft and talent. Read Linda's original quote again.
In the industry, people who might have zero talent and just sing poorly into a microphone are considered "artists". But are they really artists? Do they create art? It's the same thing here. We're discussing if Beyonce can really be considered a true songwriter, someone who is able to take their life experiences and their way of viewing the world and put it into a unique piece of art in the form of a song.
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Originally posted by GreasyBruce
Bangladesh heavily, heavily, heavily implied she wasn't a writer and got things handed to her that she then put her name on. You'd have to be completely delusional not to get that from his statement, c'mon.
Beyonce isn't listed as a songwriter because BC Jean threatened to sue her, Beyonce came to a settlement with her where they would duet to help BC's career (which never happened).
That quote proves two things: 1) she lied about coming up with the idea, 2) her father is extremely calculating and was focused on making her seem like more than she was, particularly in the songwriting department. Those two things absolutely add evidence to the claim that she does not write her own songs at all, and just changes very minor things and claims publishing.
Frank Ocean had not worked with her but he was actively involved in the music industry and I'm sure knew producers who had worked with her.
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Originally posted by Sunshine.
This is one of the problems. Ya'll will sit in here and cite Bangladesh and BC Jeans and mention a few demos, but when the other side presents equally compelling RECEIPTS, ya'll willfully write them off.
I mean:[list of examples] |
Greasy, how is that Bangladesh and BC Jean and these other people's opinions weigh soooo much more than Drake's, Miguel's, Detail's, Ryan Teddar, SugarHill recording studios, etc? How do you come to the conclusion that these guys are right, but the latter are wrong?
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Originally posted by PULSE.
Did she not change lyric, notes in "Smash Into You"? Yes.
Ne-Yo and Ryan have BOTH stated how she changed the songs. Give it up So you're going to tell the people who worked on the song she didn't? |
Ne-Yo and Ryan both have families and enjoy a paycheck... whether or not someone is unfairly cutting into their profits due to their "standing" in the industry. He's told the truth about Irreplaceable and you are choosing to ignore both the written and audio forms of him SAYING that he WROTE the song from HIMSELF and that it was done before she even heard it. It's straight up delusional to deny the facts so blatantly.
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Originally posted by PULSE.
"That’s happened before. Here’s my thing, when I write a song for an artist I want that artist to take that song and make it their [own]. If you listen to my version of “Irreplaceable” and listen to Beyonce’s version of “Irreplaceable”, its two damn totally different songs with all the harmonies and extra stuff she put in there. So yea, writer’s credit because that counts. That’s writing. That harmony that you put right there. That little background part, I didn’t write that originally. You put that in there, so for her to take the song and make it her’s, I didn’t mind her saying ‘I wrote this song for my girls’ at a concert or whatever the case may be. Because in a way, technically, she did put her spin on it. If you gonna do it the exact same way I did it, you might as well let me keep it.” NE-YO
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People forget that songwriting is not just the lyrics but also the melody as well. If Beyonce changes it there is another reason for her to get writing credits.
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Originally posted by Summer
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You're not explaining I'm waiting
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Anyway, Linda Perry literally sits on her piano and writes songs. By herself.
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Originally posted by GreasyBruce
Because then she goes on interviews and describes herself as a songwriter, receives awards for songwriting, when she is NOT a songwriter. Changing one word and singing some harmonies in the booth is not being a songwriter.
As someone who is an actual songwriter and has worked with songwriters, it's insulting.
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Beyoncé is a songwriter because she has written songs for herself and for others.
The fact that she has collaborated with other songwriters doesn't change that.
How is it insulting when all the songwriters are always given credits? What do you guys want from her, to name her children after the songwriters?
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Originally posted by PULSE.
Did she not change lyric, notes in "Smash Into You"? Yes.
Ne-Yo and Ryan have BOTH stated how she changed the songs. Give it up So you're going to tell the people who worked on the song she didn't? |
WRONG! He stated that the song was changed after he gave it to her team, which is why there are other 5 people credited who also worked with the melody, vocal arrangement and aditional chords. She DIDN'T do it by herself.
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Originally posted by GreasyBruce
Bangladesh heavily, heavily, heavily implied she wasn't a writer and got things handed to her that she then put her name on. You'd have to be completely delusional not to get that from his statement, c'mon.
Beyonce isn't listed as a songwriter because BC Jean threatened to sue her, Beyonce came to a settlement with her where they would duet to help BC's career (which never happened).
That quote proves two things: 1) she lied about using the sample, 2) her father is extremely calculating and was focused on making her seem like more than she was, particularly in the songwriting department. Those two things absolutely add evidence to the claim that she does not write her own songs at all, and just changes very minor things and claims publishing.
Frank Ocean had not worked with her but he was actively involved in the music industry and I'm sure knew producers who had worked with her.
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"Heavily, heavily, heavily implied" and stating clearly aren't the same thing.
Toby Gad SOLD the publishing rights (because it's also HIS song) to Mathew Knowles. That isn't illegal or immoral, thus BC Jean wouldn't have been able to sue Beyonce for anything. Welp.
That quote proves two things if there is undeniable proof that Rob Fusari is telling the truth. Seeing as there isn't, a third option is that he's lying.
You being sure isn't proof. Try again.
There has not been ONE writer who was worked with Beyonce that has said "Beyonce doesn't actually write her songs, but steals credits".
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"so yea" "in a way" "technically"
sounds like someones arm was twisted [PULSE] [/PULSE]
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Originally posted by Johnny Cash
WRONG! He stated that the song was changed after he gave it to her team, which is why there are other 5 people credited who also worked with the melody, vocal arrangement and aditional chords. She DIDN'T do it by herself.
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"That’s happened before. Here’s my thing, when I write a song for an artist I want that artist to take that song and make it their [own]. If you listen to my version of “Irreplaceable” and listen to Beyonce’s version of “Irreplaceable”, its two damn totally different songs with all the harmonies and extra stuff she put in there. So yea, writer’s credit because that counts. That’s writing. That harmony that you put right there. That little background part, I didn’t write that originally. You put that in there, so for her to take the song and make it her’s, I didn’t mind her saying ‘I wrote this song for my girls’ at a concert or whatever the case may be. Because in a way, technically, she did put her spin on it. If you gonna do it the exact same way I did it, you might as well let me keep it.” NE-YO
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Originally posted by Summer
Anyway, Linda Perry literally sits on her piano and writes songs. By herself. |
Something that Britney has also managed to do in her career. Didn't she write Everytime by herself at the piano as many people that were close to her during that time have attested to?
If Beyonce is so talented in the area of actually putting pen to paper and producing words that then turn into a viable song then it has not been proven as of yet. Despite the PR to the contrary.
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