Hold up. You are definitely not try to convince me that Lebanon started every single war. Let's not forget who keeps on invading the other! We have never invaded Israel. We have been able to defend ourselves from the terror Israel has been trying to impend on us! In Lebanon we are STILL in recovery from the heinous acts of Israel. We are STILL trying to rebuild what was lost because they were trying to acquire the south of Lebanon.
I remember hen you taught them a nice lesson when they tried to enter the south of Lebanon back in 2006 guys !
What difference does it make how Israel was created? It exists now, has been for decades. The solution should be to try to live together in harmony, not fight over the past.
You CAN NOT rely on Israeli media to prove Israel is not acquiring land!! You can't use them as a source to prove your point because they are filled with absolute anti-arab lies.
This thread should be just closed because nothing good is coming out of it. ATRL is definitely not the proper place to discuss such subjects. Let's go back to our pop girls everyone. Everyone can hold on to their point of view because neither side will be willing to believe either of them
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Lmao Are some of these Israelis really posting news outlets and videos in HEBREW, and expecting us to believe it's the "tell all" non-biased golden truth?
How is this an Israeli media? lol, most of the videos I sent are in English, created by Americans, and I have dozens, coming from Un Israelis or Jewish at all
The CNN for example.
Here is our side as well, in that conflict ^^, even though an Israeli made it, I suggest it to you to watch
And the most important ones, came from a citizen of Lebanon, your country!
It's like the worst excuse ever, you can rely on any media as long as it based on facts can be proven, with logic in it.
What difference does it make how Israel was created? It exists now, has been for decades. The solution should be to try to live together in harmony, not fight over the past.
How is this an Israeli media? lol, most of the videos I sent are in English, created by Americans, and I have dozens, coming from Un Israelis or Jewish at all
The CNN for example.
Here is our side as well, in that conflict ^^, even though an Israeli made it, I suggest it to you to watch
And the most important ones, came from a citizen of Lebanon, your country!
It's like the worst excuse ever, you can rely on any media as long as it based on facts can be proven, with logic in it.
What difference does it make how Israel was created? It exists now, has been for decades. The solution should be to try to live together in harmony, not fight over the past.
It makes all the difference, because that is why there still is a problem.. To understand and solve a problem you always have to delve into its past and come to understand it
Not at this thread being reported when ATRL made it
& The whole purpose about this thread was to discuss about the conflict which is what people are doing
I remember hen you taught them a nice lesson when they tried to enter the south of Lebanon back in 2006 guys !
Hezbollah is like al qaeda, you really are in the wrong side of this conflict,
I don't see the US sitting without taking actions against terror, Israel has the same right.
As long as you guys are not using facts, trying to find excuses and ignore what I sent,
I really think you are not the persons to discuss with, and the last thing you are is being moderate or modern or humanitarian. As long as you can't answer this:
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You guys claim to be humanitarian and moderate, modern people, but you can't really listen to the other side and you are full of thought that you are right and others don't you just ignore them. We read everything you and the Palestinians write, and try to explain our thought, but you are just ignoring them. Since the begging of this so called war I have never really heard from you guys why is it not OK for Israel to defend herself against Hamas, who launch rockets over Israeli citizens for over 14 years, and even more in the last 9 years. You are saying we bomb them but you forget or ignore the fact they bomb us, at first, and before people thought of inventing the Iron Dome... moreover, you guys forget they are hurting innocents as well, that's their purpose, when we are doing the best to avoid that. They want people, their people and our people to get hurt in order to get your support, and it's sad they are succeeding.
As for Badmonster, I am not taking about you, but on the people really don't listen.
You at least read I am writing, it's already better, creating the ability to discuss. I watched
all the videos sent in here, but you don't read the facts, don't watch mine, so it's actually ridiculous.
I will let the open minded people to decide which side they support, because most of you guys don't even read what I write
I am just wasting my time. Will see what you wrote tomorrow morning though.
Its really scary to see the posts of some Israelis members here - how they try to twist the truth and play the victim card, how they excuse the atrocities their government is doing, place all the blame on Palestinians etc. Maybe they are so stuborn just because they want to convince themselves that what their government is doing is right, idk. But to actually see this is very saddening, because if this is the way how most of Israelis are thinking, this gives a little to no hope for possible change and compromises between Israelis and Palestinians and shows that this conflict will probably continue untill one of them is completely destroyed. It doesnt really look like Israelis and Palestinians will be able to live in peace next to each other when I see how deeply is the hatred rooted in them. Tragic.
It makes all the difference, because that is why there still is a problem.. To understand and solve a problem you always have to delve into its past and come to understand it
Well, it's not fully right. Israel is based on legal settlements, it's more than a fine country:
We are not playing with the victim card, lol, we are "playing" with facts. It's clear that you hate jews, and you are Anti-Semitic person, which people here can not take seriously, just look at your AVI , you are the person who scares me, to be honest. Because of people like you, who believed and shared idiotic ideas like the ones presented in your AVI caused the Holocaust, the end of 6 million jews. Do you justify that? do you really understand what do you support? terrorism, racism, and you should be scared from facts and Israelis?
It's true, but the defining of an Anti Semitic person is really against the jews in the last 60 years and above, many terrorists even declare themselves that way anyways, changed it, thanks
There's no denying Israel spun out of control after they were given land by the UN tho.
If they could have settled for what they got, it would have been better for all parties involved.
Try to keep things civilised and decent. This is a mega-discussion for any news articles or updates about the conflict. Any expressed bigotry or hatred will not be tolerated. Report any posts that are offensive.
The amount of times people have been called "disgusting" in this thread just proves that this thread isn't being used to debate the conflict - it's being used for supporters of each side to attack and offend the other side personally.
I wish this forum had a place where people could express their opinion on this issue in a calm and rational way. I'd love to participate in the discussion, but I'd rather not have people calling me names and throwing personal accusations at me afterwards.
It makes all the difference, because that is why there still is a problem.. To understand and solve a problem you always have to delve into its past and come to understand it
But that is a discussion with no solution. Israel is not going to disappear if they decide it as given to them unjustly. You have to deal with what is in the present.
We are not playing with the victim card, lol, we are "playing" with facts. It's clear that you hate jews, and you are Anti-Jewish person, which people here can not take seriously, just look at your AVI , you are the person who scares me, to be honest. Because of people like you, who believed and shared idiotic ideas like the ones presented in your AVI caused the Holocaust, the end of 6 million jews. Do you justify that? do you really understand what do you support? terrorism, racism, and you should be scared from facts and Israelis?
This is exactly what Im talking about. Everytime someone says anything more or less critical about Israelis government, Israelis scream "anti-semitism, holocaust"!!! Thats playing the victim.
I have the utmost respect for every culture and every religion in this world. My great-grandmom was risking her life and hiding a jewish family during WWII for half of the year, we are still in contact with them. Its just shocking to me that a nation who went trough holocaust is able to do the same thing to other nation. Its hartbreaking.
And for your info, my avi is from a biopic about an artist I admire, Serge Gainsbourg. Its the artistic depiction of his self-doubt, of how he saw himself. I dont know whats idiotic or anti-semitic about that.
This is exactly what Im talking about. Everytime someone says anything more or less critical about Israelis government, Israelis scream "anti-semitism, holocaust"!!! Thats playing the victim.
I have the utmost respect for every culture and every religion in this world. My great-grandmom was risking her life and hiding a jewish family during WWII for half of the year, we are still in contact with them. Its just shocking to me that a nation who went trough holocaust is able to do the same thing to other nation. Its hartbreaking.
And for your info, my avi is from a biopic about an artist I admire, Serge Gainsbourg. Its the artistic depiction of his self-doubt, of how he saw himself. I dont know whats idiotic or anti-semitic about that.
Gainsbourg was the son of Russian Jewish emigrants
Gainsbourg's childhood was profoundly affected by the occupation of France by Nazi Germany. The identifying “yellow star” Jews were mandated to wear became a symbol which haunted Gainsbourg and which in later years he was able to transmute into creative inspiration. During the Nazi occupation of World War II, the Jewish Ginsburg family was able to make their way from Paris to Limoges, traveling under false papers. Limoges was an unoccupied city, but under the administration of the collaborationist Vichy government and still a perilous refuge for Jews.
Gainsbourg was the son of Russian Jewish emigrants
Gainsbourg's childhood was profoundly affected by the occupation of France by Nazi Germany. The identifying “yellow star” Jews were mandated to wear became a symbol which haunted Gainsbourg and which in later years he was able to transmute into creative inspiration. During the Nazi occupation of World War II, the Jewish Ginsburg family was able to make their way from Paris to Limoges, traveling under false papers. Limoges was an unoccupied city, but under the administration of the collaborationist Vichy government and still a perilous refuge for Jews.
I know all this. I love everything about Serge and I find his life and work fascinating. The movie really hit me hard and the scenes with La Gueule were great, thats the only reason I chose one of them as my avi.
Many of my most beloved artists like Serge, Lou Reed, Amy Winehouse, Leonard Cohen etc. are/were Jews and they are responsible for the most brilliant music there is imo.