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Celeb News: Morrissey: "Eating meat is the same as paedophilia"
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Originally posted by SebaMonster
Ok.
Well, first of all, animals eat other animals too. Killing other beings for food may sounds cruel, but even those "innocent" animals seem to do it. Live is cruel when you think about it, us humans aren't the ones who have created this law in nature. According to some people the animals do it because they have no choice. What does this mean? Don't they have feelings? Don't they feel bad about the animals they eat? If they don't have the same kind of feelings as humans, then automatically killing them shouldn't be as big of a deal as killing a human being with human feelings (which vegetarians compare it to). Vegetarians act like animals are equal to humans, but at the same they want to give them more rights than us. Also, if everyone stops eating meat, there will be people complaining about how people eat plants, it really never ends. At the end of the day, plants live too. Oh and one last thing, I think there would be big problems with the stability in nature if everyone suddently stopped eating meat, it's a natural thing after all.
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Killing other beings for food may sounds cruel, but even those "innocent" animals seem to do it.
They don't have the intelligence, options or live in the civilisation we do.
According to some people the animals do it because they have no choice. What does this mean? Don't they have feelings? Don't they feel bad about the animals they eat?
Yes they do do it because they have no choice. They don't feel bad because they aren't raised with the idea of morals like we are, they don't even have the intelligence to comprehend what morals are. They simply act upon impulse.
If they don't have the same kind of feelings as humans, then automatically killing them shouldn't be as big of a deal as killing a human being with human feelings (which vegetarians compare it to).
Just because they aren't as smart/civilised as us we should kill them and eat them?
Vegetarians act like animals are equal to humans, but at the same they want to give them more rights than us.
Who wants to give animals more rights than us? No one's asking for animals to get paid or the right to vote
Also, if everyone stops eating meat, there will be people complaining about how people eat plants
No one's going to complain about people eating plants because plants don't have brains or the capability to think or suffer. This argument is the dumbest thing
Oh and one last thing, I think there would be big problems with the stability in nature if everyone suddently stopped eating meat, it's a natural thing after all.
No there wouldn't because animals wouldn't have to be bred and raised for torture and death like they are now.
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Originally posted by Samuel
Killing other beings for food may sounds cruel, but even those "innocent" animals seem to do it.
They don't have the intelligence, options or live in the civilisation we do.
According to some people the animals do it because they have no choice. What does this mean? Don't they have feelings? Don't they feel bad about the animals they eat?
Yes they do do it because they have no choice. They don't feel bad because they aren't raised with the idea of morals like we are, they don't even have the intelligence to comprehend what morals are.
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Okay... So it's okay for humans living in the jungle to eat animals? If they have never faced the moral dilemma of animals having feelings?
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Originally posted by Darren-5-08
Okay... So it's okay for humans living in the jungle to eat animals? If they have never faced the moral dilemma of animals having feelings?
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Possibly, it depends on the situation. Humans don't act upon impulse like animals do though, we are intelligent enough to actually think about what we're doing and consider our options. Animals aren't.
That argument is completely beside the point anyway though because none of us are living in the jungle.
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Originally posted by Samuel
Why are you still in this thread debating then?
How so?
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They're always bullying me into feeling bad for eating meat...yet, they wear real leather.
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Anyway, we're missing the point of the thread which is that "eating meat is the same as pedophilia" , which is the most disgusting thing I have ever heard.
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Originally posted by Elec†ricJudas
They're always bullying me into feeling bad for eating meat...yet, they wear real leather.
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Not every vegetarian/vegan wears real leather.
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Originally posted by Samuel
Not every vegetarian/vegan wears real leather.
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Hence why my first post was about the vegeterians/vegans I KNOW
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Originally posted by Samuel
Possibly, it depends on the situation. Humans don't act upon impulse like animals do though, we are intelligent enough to actually think about what we're doing and consider our options. Animals aren't.
That argument is completely beside the point anyway though because none of us are living in the jungle.
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But as a less extreme example, I grew up in an environment in which meat is the centre of every dinner. My parents would never prepare a dinner that didn't involve meat, nor their parents, nor their parents before them. In both primary school and secondary school (unless you wanted to eat chips alone), there was never a vegetarian option. My grandad would hunt and cook his kills fresh for us, and we have always had hunting dogs. The same with fishing. My dad used to go fishing every week, and would cook it for dinner (although I wasn't part of this, as I hate fish).
For my health, my culture, respect for my upbringing, and my own personal tastes and desires, eating meat is something that is hugely important to me. I know the vegetarians of the world will call that selfish, but I don't care, because I know it isn't. Asking me to give up something that is culturally instilled in me because they think 'meat is murder' is selfish of them. Especially when they go on to accuse me of 'torture'. I eat only free range, organic meat. They are killed painlessly, and are raised in excellent conditions. When I ate after hunting, I knew the animal had died instantly. My grandad had such an excellent shot it went straight through the head every time. No pain. The only 'torture' involved, really, was the catching of fish, but as I said; I don't fish or eat fish.
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Originally posted by Samuel
Not every vegetarian/vegan wears real leather.
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But many do. And they are hypocritical for doing so.
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Originally posted by Elec†ricJudas
Hence why my first post was about the vegeterians/vegans I KNOW
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How is that relevant then? I have hypocritical meat eating friends too. In fact 95% of the meat eaters I know would lose their **** if they saw a horse or a dog in awful conditions without any room to move, but they'll pay money to have cows and chickens put in the exact same situation by buying cheap meat.
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Originally posted by Samuel
How is that relevant then? I have hypocritical meat eating friends too. In fact 95% of the meat eaters I know would lose their **** if they saw a horse or a dog in awful conditions without any room to move, but they'll pay money to have cows and chickens put in the exact same situation by buying cheap meat.
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Because you jumped to conclusions after my original post by saying "not all do", which I know. **** ![Bibliotheque](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/korn0818/ATRL_Smilies_All/atrlers/biblio_zps23dff242.gif)
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It's disgusting to reduce something like pedophilia to the same level as eating meat,
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Originally posted by Retro
It's disgusting to reduce something like pedophilia to the same level as eating meat,
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Especially considering what the victims go through. They are psychologically damaged for the rest of their lives. Nothing will ever help them recover.
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Originally posted by Darren-5-08
But as a less extreme example, I grew up in an environment in which meat is the centre of every dinner. My parents would never prepare a dinner that didn't involve meat, nor their parents, nor their parents before them. In both primary school and secondary school (unless you wanted to eat chips alone), there was never a vegetarian option. My grandad would hunt and cook his kills fresh for us, and we have always had hunting dogs. The same with fishing. My dad used to go fishing every week, and would cook it for dinner (although I wasn't part of this, as I hate fish).
For my health, my culture, respect for my upbringing, and my own personal tastes and desires, eating meat is something that is hugely important to me. I know the vegetarians of the world will call that selfish, but I don't care, because I know it isn't. Asking me to give up something that is culturally instilled in me because they think 'meat is murder' is selfish of them. Especially when they go on to accuse me of 'torture'. I eat only free range, organic meat. They are killed painlessly, and are raised in excellent conditions. When I ate after hunting, I knew the animal had died instantly. My grandad had such an excellent shot it went straight through the head every time. No pain. The only 'torture' involved, really, was the catching of fish, but as I said; I don't fish or eat fish.
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But regardless of how they die or how they're treated, the fact of the matter is that it's an animal's life you're ending for your own pleasure, a living creature with a brain and thoughts and a life that you're killing when you really don't have to. To me that's arrogant and selfish, far more selfish than the example you've given of someone telling you that they believe that killing an innocent animal is wrong.
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And what about all the plants that are killed for salads?! Or when cows eat grass?? Or how about meat eating animals that kill other animals in the wild to eat?! Birds eat worms & other bugs, should this be stopped too?!
Cruelty to animals that are going to be served as food is horrible, but some of you act as if we're **** for eating meat when you don't give a flying **** about the people exploited in foreign countries just so you can wear your designer clothes!! Kids get paid a quarter a week to make shoes in deplorable conditions but does that stop you from buying Nike, jordans, adidas, etc for yourself on Christmas?! There are far worse things than eating meat, human sex trafficking for one and most of you PETA jr officers couldn't care less about that either.
As for morrissey, I love his music and can understand his dietary choices but if you can't stand the smell of burning meat get the **** OFF the planet!!! People are being killed as food too, in the Philippines & Thailand, babies that are just born are offered in certain places as a meal for breakfast! So if you think we're bad for eating hamburgers, you clearly have no clue how much worse the rest of the world is.
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Originally posted by Samuel
But regardless of how they die or how they're treated, the fact of the matter is that it's an animal's life you're ending for your own pleasure, a living creature with a brain and thoughts and a life that you're killing when you really don't have to. To me that's arrogant and selfish, far more selfish than the example you've given of someone telling you that they believe that killing an innocent animal is wrong.
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You seek to deny me of my cultural identity because of a belief that I don't share with you?
I do not eat animals believing they were killed unnecessarily, because I believe meat to be a necessity in my diet. I have a serious Vitamin B12 deficiency as my body cannot absorb it. My doctor has actually said it would be dangerous for me to follow a vegetarian diet (not that I ever would, he just said it to make sure), especially when I am not a massive fan of having to rely on vitamin supplements.
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Originally posted by Darren-5-08
You seek to deny me of my cultural identity because of a belief that I don't share with you?
I do not eat animals believing they were killed unnecessarily, because I believe meat to be a necessity in my diet. I have a serious Vitamin B12 deficiency as my body cannot absorb it. My doctor has actually said it would be dangerous for me to follow a vegetarian diet (not that I ever would, he just said it to make sure), especially when I am not a massive fan of having to rely on vitamin supplements.
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You can always change your dietary habits no matter what your identity is as you live in a fully developed country with access to thousands of food choices. I don't believe a cultural identity is an excuse to do something that I believe is wrong.
If you have some kind of health concern that means that your body requires the benefits of meat I think it's somewhat different, although there's nothing in meat you can't get from other foods if you strictly follow the correct diet but I understand that's inconvenient. That's no excuse for wearing fur though, which you've already said you do- I consider that twice as bad as eating meat because it's not engrained in any culture and absolutely no one is in a position where it'd be inconvenient for them to not wear fur, as it is inconvenient for many to not eat meat. It's entirely for vanity (even though fur coats are tacky as hell) and having animals killed in this day and age entirely so that you can wear them is totally unacceptable, in my opinion anyway.
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Originally posted by Samuel
You can always change your dietary habits no matter what your identity is as you live in a fully developed country with access to thousands of food choices. I don't believe a cultural identity is an excuse to do something that I believe is wrong.
If you have some kind of health concern that means that your body requires the benefits of meat I think it's somewhat different, although there's nothing in meat you can't get from other foods if you strictly follow the correct diet but I understand that's inconvenient. That's no excuse for wearing fur though, which you've already said you do- I consider that twice as bad as eating meat because it's not engrained in any culture and absolutely no one is in a position where it'd be inconvenient for them to not wear fur, as it is inconvenient for many to not eat meat. It's entirely for vanity (even though fur coats are tacky as hell) and having animals killed in this day and age entirely so that you can wear them is totally unacceptable, in my opinion anyway.
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I said already though, the main reason I eat meat is because it is so damn good. And I wear fur because I love fur. I know people consider it to be controversial, but I'm not really bothered, because it's my choice. Don't think I haven't considered morality in any decision I have made. Just because I have ended up on a different side to people who disagree with wearing fur does not make me immoral.
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Originally posted by Darren-5-08
I said already though, the main reason I eat meat is because it is so damn good. And I wear fur because I love fur. I know people consider it to be controversial, but I'm not really bothered, because it's my choice. Don't think I haven't considered morality in any decision I have made. Just because I have ended up on a different side to people who disagree with wearing fur does not make me immoral.
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Waiting for the "you're so inconsiderate" comments when it is legitimately 100% your opinion. Hence why vegetarians are known to be so hypocritical about leading a lifestyle that is their own choice, but preaching upon others when they don't comply.
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The "animals kill other animals" argument is pure ********. No other species breeds animals in contained spaces, neglects them of basic rights as living beings and kills them before they had a chance to live out their lives. "Organic", "grass-fed" farms still contain the animals in a closed off area, which is an unfair speciest practice. Not a single one of you "carnivores" could go out and kill an animal with your bare hands so **** off.
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