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Discussion: Asian Talk
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Originally posted by TheLuckyOnes
BTW
we should agree to disagree
Ichinaru is right, we should generalize or make harmful statements because the USA sucks and we all eed each other's support
but kyogul is a black man just giving his opinion on BLM, something that directly affects him so his thoughts and opinions matter a lot within the conversation
but in order to not fight lets bring it back to Asia
I do want to hear you guys' answer to IBeMe's question about asian pride. Do asians feel a collective asian pride or is that just something that is relevant in the US where we have things like Latino pride, and Black Pride
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I think the discussion of BLM is a productive one as long as we learn to not get all heated and mad about it. Its a touchy topic, but its something that also does affect Asians indirectly so its important (even if it didn't affect Asian Americans its still important).
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This is getting a bit messy for it being so late anyways, let me hop off If you want to continue a debate tomorrow I'll check what you have to say kyogul.
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Originally posted by Dynamo
East Asians are a mini-minority here I wish I could live in a country where you can see every race daily lucky Multicultural northamericans
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#ComeToCanada"A.K.A"MiniAsia
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Originally posted by Dynamo
East Asians are a mini-minority here I wish I could live in a country where you can see every race daily lucky Multicultural northamericans
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NO NO NO NO NO NO NO you dont
it becomes an issue really fast. When you live in a country that sees race everyday, identity issues and misconceptions happen. Suddenly you dont look asian enough, or black enough or latino enough. You have people who constantly question your identity and tell you what you are rather than let you identify yourself.
The first thing my fellow americans have said to me when i tell them im half spanish is "but you dont look spanish"and then proceed to ask me asinine questions about it as if me telling them what i am isnt enough credibility.
i really liked that when i went to South Korea and people ask me about my background, saying that i was american was enough for them or saying that i was spanish was enough for them, they didnt try to ignore a side of who i am because i didnt look the part.
my sense of identity and belonging has been completely skewed because of people seeing race all the time
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Originally posted by Ichinaru19
Thats not even what I said. I simply said that just because it is statistics doesn't mean it is supporting what they are saying.
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Originally posted by kyogul
Writing aside, I linked them for statistics, not the writer's diction and conclusions.
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Originally posted by Ichinaru19
but the way the statistic is shown is already highly misconstrued.
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elaborate about what's misconstrued in this picture.
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Originally posted by Ichinaru19
I think the discussion of BLM is a productive one as long as we learn to not get all heated and mad about it. Its a touchy topic, but its something that also does affect Asians indirectly so its important (even if it didn't affect Asian Americans its still important).
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just to be clear, i meant we shouldnt generalize and make harmful statements. i just read back over my post
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Originally posted by IBeMe
I am so confused but yass drag ha (who was draggin us though? I think I missed the post or I'm just severally confused AF since it's 2AM over here)!
and thanks for the sweet words and posts! you make this thread fun and active
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Invented or whatever their name is made the comment about us
and thanks!!
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Originally posted by TheLuckyOnes
NO NO NO NO NO NO NO you dont
it becomes an issue really fast. When you live in a country that sees race everyday, identity issues and misconceptions happen. Suddenly you dont look asian enough, or black enough or latino enough. You have people who constantly question your identity and tell you what you are rather than let you identify yourself.
The first thing my fellow americans have said to me when i tell them im half spanish is "but you dont look spanish"and then proceed to ask me asinine questions about it as if me telling them what i am isnt enough credibility.
i really liked that when i went to South Korea and people ask me about my background, saying that i was american was enough for them or saying that i was spanish was enough for them, they didnt try to ignore a side of who i am because i didnt look the part.
my sense of identity and belonging has been completely skewed because of people seeing race all the time
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This is a new point of view for me sis Thanks cutie
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Originally posted by IBeMe
#ComeToCanada"A.K.A"MiniAsia
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Awww
Too cold for me
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Originally posted by TheLuckyOnes
NO NO NO NO NO NO NO you dont
it becomes an issue really fast. When you live in a country that sees race everyday, identity issues and misconceptions happen. Suddenly you dont look asian enough, or black enough or latino enough. You have people who constantly question your identity and tell you what you are rather than let you identify yourself.
The first thing my fellow americans have said to me when i tell them im half spanish is "but you dont look spanish"and then proceed to ask me asinine questions about it as if me telling them what i am isnt enough credibility.
i really liked that when i went to South Korea and people ask me about my background, saying that i was american was enough for them or saying that i was spanish was enough for them, they didnt try to ignore a side of who i am because i didnt look the part.
my sense of identity and belonging has been completely skewed because of people seeing race all the time
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omg this was so beautifully explained.
being part french and spanish from Spain makes it difficult for me since I identify mostly with my Moroccan ancestry. ppl feel the need to question my heritage all the time in North America. like if i simply want to say I am part moroccan they are quick to ask "ya but which side do you feel more in tune with" or "omg I wouldn't have known...you basically look like a white guy with a bit of a tan" , "oh but your more white right?" and it's so annoying having to "justify" my ancestry or go above and beyond trying to explain to some ppl "what" or "who" I am when it comes to my heritage.
when I traveled across Europe it was even worse they would flat out REFUSE to have me identify as Moroccan or part Moroccan. it was so strange tbh...
However when I speak to my Korean or Japanese friends who just came to Canada like a couple years ago they understand and respect your "identity". like they won't question impolitely or make you feel like you have to choose 1 side.
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i think this explains why i even post in this thread. It may sound weird but i like being the only me within homogenous communities. its like if i sit with the black kids, i feel left out because i feel like im not black enough, when i sit with the white kids, i feel left out because im not white enough, when im with the latino kids, i feel left out because in the United States, Spain is not apart of the latino/hispanic circle (i tried to join my the latino culture club at my university but was told by many of the members that since i was spanish, i wasnt latino which just made me feel like an outsider).
majority of my friends are asian because its easier to be rejected from a community you arent a part of than be rejected from one you are a part of. I always feel like the odd man out in america because i come from a mixed background so i feel like i dont belong to any group, but when i went to Asia, for some reason, i didnt feel alone. instead of telling me im not this or im not that, they focused on other things (like how i fell over during tea ceremony in japan because i got a cramp in my leg )
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Originally posted by kyogul
I have a question: Why aren't South Asians and Southeast Asians (Indians, Pakistanis,Piñoys, etc.) considered Asians by western societies (and I assume other areas as well)? I never understood why people only think people from East Asia are real Asians. People seem to follow by the guideline that if you don't have pale-to-yellow skin AND small eyes you aren't considered Asian
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I have to admit I'm guilty of this (not asian, just decided to browse thread). But as an American, I considered Pakistan, Iran, etc. to be "Middle Eastern" and not Asian. Technically they are Asian, but Asia as a whole is huge and that's why people have kind of segregated it in their minds. I feel like continents are seen as boundaries. Europe is mostly Caucasian, and Asia is mostly oriental, so people have come up with Middle East to fit a different standard because they look nothing like orientals and have nothing in common culture-wise.
When it comes to Filipino's I honestly don't know, but that is NOT a Western issue. I'd say oriental Asians have a bigger issue with Filipinos that Westerners. The Koreans, Japanese, Chinese, etc. at my high school all considered Filipino's to be "fake asians" or not really Asian enough for them. I don't know their culture well enough to know how that mindset is legitimate. But I'm not even kidding. The Oriental kids were rude af to Filipinos
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Originally posted by kyogul
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elaborate about what's misconstrued in this picture.
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Like I said earlier, you are pretty much in the same lane as what the article is saying so it doesn't matter you are "just using the statistics". Also what I mean that something can be misconstrued is by what we infer from these statistics. One of the articles went out to say that Black people perhaps are going out to pick on people by their race based on the statistics. This is what I mean by misconstrued, what the article is trying to take from it. Like I said (which you ignored) I offered an alternative reason. Also is it just me or are the pie charts and the table completely different statistics .
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Originally posted by TheLuckyOnes
NO NO NO NO NO NO NO you dont
it becomes an issue really fast. When you live in a country that sees race everyday, identity issues and misconceptions happen. Suddenly you dont look asian enough, or black enough or latino enough. You have people who constantly question your identity and tell you what you are rather than let you identify yourself.
The first thing my fellow americans have said to me when i tell them im half spanish is "but you dont look spanish"and then proceed to ask me asinine questions about it as if me telling them what i am isnt enough credibility.
i really liked that when i went to South Korea and people ask me about my background, saying that i was american was enough for them or saying that i was spanish was enough for them, they didnt try to ignore a side of who i am because i didnt look the part.
my sense of identity and belonging has been completely skewed because of people seeing race all the time
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maybe that's US problem, not in Canada or at least not in Toronto, we're truly a multicultural place and everyone can be friends with anyone of any race
the "sit with your group thing" is really stupid, I've had friends of so many skin colors
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Originally posted by kyogul
If you're referring to me, you should first question why a black-sponsored movement is being talked about in an Asian-oriented thread in the first place.
Westerners generally refers to the anglosphere, or in particular the white-dominant and heavily-British areas like Canada, North America, Australia, and so forth.
I'm guessing that "east" is referring to "east [of North America]". Although more than half the world is east to America I guess that's what they came up with for East Asians. I'm also assuming Americans only acknowledge East Asians as "real" Asians because the country has been in contact with them more than other Asian areas.
For Filipinos it's a hit or miss case. Because of the Spanish conquest in the Philippines a lot of its residents are part Spanish, which I guess is why many look and tend to be confused for hispanics. Some can have mongoloid features while others don't.
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It came up because TheLuckyOnes (who is not even Asian) has a strange obsession with black Americans and is always complaining about social activism from them.
Westerners are not just people from the Anglosphere. All of western Europe qualifies as western.
No, "east" for the word "Oriental" refers to anything east of Europe. For an example, Oriental dancing would be belly dancing because it's from the Mediterranean (Greece, Turkey, Arab countries). Americans only acknowledge East Asians as "Asian" because the idea has been pushed since the 90s. The word has been used to refer to East Asians and now people here think "Asian" is a race.
Regarding Filipinos, that's a huge exaggeration. UCLA did a study and only about 2% of the Filipino population have Spanish ancestry. Filipinos, like most Southeast Asians, tend be a mix of Austronesian natives and the Chinese settlers so how Mongoloid they appear is based on how much Chinese ancestry they have. Many Southeast Asians, like Vietnamese, are full or almost full Chinese origin so they will appear Southeast Asian. Likewise, in South Asia, most people are a mix of Austronesian and "white" Central Asians (and some are Mongoloid or Mongoloid mixed in the eastern parts of South Asia like Northeast Indians and Nepalis).
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Originally posted by Kkamjong
I have to admit I'm guilty of this (not asian, just decided to browse thread). But as an American, I considered Pakistan, Iran, etc. to be "Middle Eastern" and not Asian. Technically they are Asian, but Asia as a whole is huge and that's why people have kind of segregated it in their minds. I feel like continents are seen as boundaries. Europe is mostly Caucasian, and Asia is mostly oriental, so people have come up with Middle East to fit a different standard because they look nothing like orientals and have nothing in common culture-wise.
When it comes to Filipino's I honestly don't know, but that is NOT a Western issue. I'd say oriental Asians have a bigger issue with Filipinos that Westerners. The Koreans, Japanese, Chinese, etc. at my high school all considered Filipino's to be "fake asians" or not really Asian enough for them. I don't know their culture well enough to know how that mindset is legitimate. But I'm not even kidding. The Oriental kids were rude af to Filipinos
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Your post is full of misinformation.
1) Pakistan is not in the Middle East. It's a South Asian country like India except they're a Muslim majority country thanks to conversions to Islam. In fact, none of the -stan countries in the Middle East. All the others are in Central Asia (except Afghanistan which is landlocked between South and Central Asia).
2) "Oriental" does not mean Mongoloid or East Asian. For an example, Oriental rugs were from Persia, which is in modern day Iran. Oriental dancing is bellydancing, which is from Greece, Turkey, Arab countries, North Africa, etc. "Oriental" refers to things from areas east of Europe.
c) Most people in Asia are not Mongoloid. Where did you get this from?
d) You should tell the East Asians you know that they have no authority to determine who's "Asian" or not. In fact, the word "Asian" is an English word used by the British first for people in their colonies, mainly India. So if they take issue with Filipinos and call them "fake Asians," they're also "fake Asians" themselves. In fact, the word "Asia" was derived from "Persia," which East Asians have nothing to do with.
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Originally posted by TheLuckyOnes
ive had chinese friends refer to indians as brown people and when i said that indians are asian too, they shook there heads back and forth. People form the philippines and Thailand get treated the same way.
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How sad. They need a reality check about the word "Asian". See Point D above.
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Originally posted by Inverted
It came up because TheLuckyOnes (who is not even Asian) has a strange obsession with black Americans and is always complaining about social activism from them.
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maybe i have a strong obsession with black americans because i happen to be a black american
and the reason I complain isnt because of social activism, its the blatant hypocrisy within the movement and the desire to police what people say that annoys me about these movements.
The reason we were even discussing black people was because the creator of this thread asked how we felt about Chris Rock using asian stereotypes at the oscars.
and again you bring up me not being asian as if anyone other than you in this thread cares.
anyway i tried multiple times to shift the conversation back to non controversial asian related topics, the conversation right now if about identity and living in a multicultural city
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Originally posted by getback
maybe that's US problem, not in Canada or at least not in Toronto, we're truly a multicultural place and everyone can be friends with anyone of any race
the "sit with your group thing" is really stupid, I've had friends of so many skin colors
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canada doesnt have the racial history that america has. I totally believe it is a US thing. Everyone just gets into cliques and if you dont solely belong to one group then you get left out. The tension between races here isnt fun to deal with on a constant basis
I shouldve lived in canada
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I always divide Asia into 3 main part: Middle East (including India)
South East Asia
and East Asia
But when it comes to conversation with other people I combine East Asia and SEA into one as Asia
I'm Chinese.
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Originally posted by Inverted
Why would you call a Pakistani or Bangladeshi, etc. an "Indian"?
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no, we'd call them Pakistani or Bangladeshi. Sorry for the confusion. Most South Asians here are Indians. Like 95 percent.
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Originally posted by TheLuckyOnes
maybe i have a strong obsession with black americans because i happen to be a black american
and the reason I complain isnt because of social activism, its the blatant hypocrisy within the movement and the desire to police what people say that annoys me about these movements.
The reason we were even discussing black people was because the creator of this thread asked how we felt about Chris Rock using asian stereotypes at the oscars.
and again you bring up me not being asian as if anyone other than you in this thread cares.
anyway i tried multiple times to shift the conversation back to non controversial asian related topics, the conversation right now if about identity and living in a multicultural city
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You are not a black American. You're a non-white Hispanic who sometimes pretend to be a Spaniard. And don't try to say otherwise because another thread you said mistaken as Filipino.
Yes, the OP brought it up and took the change to push your agenda. You grab any opportunity to complain about black Americans. Make your own thread for that. And clearly people other people care because I'm not the only one who brought it up.
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Originally posted by M-D-N-A
I always divide Asia into 3 main part: Middle East (including India)
South East Asia
and East Asia
But when it comes to conversation with other people I combine East Asia and SEA into one as Asia
I'm Chinese.
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India is not part of the Middle East. It has no relationship with the region culturally, linguistically or even looks-wise. It's easy to tell apart the Indian man and the Syrian man here. The Middle Eastern one looks clearly white/western:
South Asia = India, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, Nepal, Pakistan, Maldives, Bhutan, etc. Afghanistan is arguable.
East Asia = Japan, South Korea, North Korea, China, Taiwan, etc.
Southeast Asia = Cambodia, Indonesia, Malaysia, Singapore, Laos, Philippines, etc.
West Asia = Middle East = Arab countries, Israel, etc. The Eurasian countries like Turkey and Armenia are arguable. Iran is sometimes considered Central Asia because of history or just grouped with the Middle East.
You also forgot about Central Asia, which is pretty much all the -stan countries except Pakistan (and maybe Afghanistan). They are not part of the Middle East either.
Typical Central Asians (mix of Persian natives and Mongolian invaders):
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Originally posted by Inverted
You are not a black American. You're a non-white Hispanic who sometimes pretend to be a Spaniard. And don't try to say otherwise because another thread you said mistaken as Filipino.
Yes, the OP brought it up and took the change to push your agenda. You grab any opportunity to complain about black Americans. Make your own thread for that. And clearly people other people care because I'm not the only one who brought it up.
India is not part of the Middle East. It has no relationship with the region culturally, linguistically or even looks-wise. It's easy to tell apart the Indian man and the Syrian man here. The Middle Eastern one looks clearly white/western:
South Asia = India, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, Nepal, Pakistan, Maldives, Bhutan, etc. Afghanistan is arguable.
East Asia = Japan, South Korea, North Korea, China, Taiwan, etc.
Southeast Asia = Cambodia, Indonesia, Malaysia, Singapore, Laos, Philippines, etc.
West Asia = Middle East = Arab countries, Israel, etc. The Eurasian countries like Turkey and Armenia are arguable. Iran is sometimes considered Central Asia because of history or just grouped with the Middle East.
You also forgot about Central Asia, which is pretty much all the -stan countries except Pakistan (and maybe Afghanistan). They are not part of the Middle East either.
Typical Central Asians (mix of Persian natives and Mongolian invaders):
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sistren I literally did not speak about black lives matter and I only asked about the oscars jokes immediately after the oscars happened. I just said something like" are the oscars jokes offensive to you because they sounded rude/wrong etc etc.."
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Originally posted by M-D-N-A
I always divide Asia into 3 main part: Middle East (including India)
South East Asia
and East Asia
But when it comes to conversation with other people I combine East Asia and SEA into one as Asia
I'm Chinese.
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India is NOT Midde East
I'm Chinese.
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