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Poll: Who will be remembered as the ultimate black female popstar?
View Poll Results: Who will be remembered as the ultimate black female popstar?
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Janet Jackson
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36 |
14.12% |
Rihanna
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35 |
13.73% |
Whitney Houston
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78 |
30.59% |
Beyoncé
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98 |
38.43% |
Diana Ross
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8 |
3.14% |
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Janet all the way, she pretty much set the bar for all black female stars in the music business
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Originally posted by eli's_rhythm
Probably Whitney, just because she was so global. But Beyoncé is #2 for now.
Not how I personally feel, obviously. But it's how it is. I voted for Janet in the poll because I wasn't going to watch her lose to Rihanna.
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Originally posted by Lately 1814
Do you people even know what it means to be a pop star? It's more than just being able to sing, dance, and perform. It's an all-inclusive sum of the artist. If you take into account EVERYTHING, the obvious choice is Janet.
She has been in the industry going on 40 years in 2013, longer than all the other options sans Diana. You can demerit Janet based on her not being the greatest singer, but it's negligible in the grand scheme of the argument. Out of the list, Janet is the most successful. Her albums are the most acclaimed (Control - TVR). Her video catalog is the most recognized, influential, made the most impact, and most the emulated. She's the most iconic out of the pool. Many artists have emulated her looks, i.e. Rihanna with the red hair a la Velvet Rope. She is the quintessential crossover Black female being an R&B act crossing over into pop, something Beyonce, Rihanna, and several other Black females are doing today. She wrote the book on performing, and it is because of Janet that if you don't dance, you're not a complete performer. It is because of Janet that Black females try to be triple threats (singer, dancer, actress), mind you Janet was the first. Unbeknown to many, Janet is a savvy businesswoman - lest we not forget she negotiated a $40 million and $80 million contract, co-owns a bank, owns her own publishing company, co-owns a line of Vodka, and just created Nutribank.
Being a multifaceted artist in Hollywood is the template Janet created, and the template Black females AND some males follow today. All of those acts are great (minus Rihanna), but when you factor EVERYTHING in, Janet is the only choice for being the ultimate Black female pop star.
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The key word in the title is remembered.
Janet's legacy has already been smeared by her own mistakes. MAYBE, if she hadn't faltered so badly in the 2000s, she would be the obvious answer. But even then to say she was clearly the most successful is ridiculous. Whitney sold twice as many records as her and is the voice behind one of the best-selling albums in history. She had a much bigger international impact.
I agree that Janet is the most iconic and she influenced other artists the most (aside from Diana). But unless she reverses what has happened over the last eight years very soon, she has no chance of being remembered as much as Whitney or Beyoncé.
Although Whit's case is a bit bizarre. She was HUGE, but it doesn't seem like real life people give her much credit. I don't think she's remembered as a trailblazer, at least not in the US. So maybe you're right, but I think your comments are way too sweeping. Janet is definitely not the clear winner here.
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Why wasn't Ciara included?
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Originally posted by Lately 1814
Donna had a firm grip on EVERY Black female's wig from '75 - ~'80 with one hand, while sipping tea with the other. Diana gets more credit because of The Supremes. Her solo work isn't nearly as regarded as her work with the Supremes. Also, Donna is widely considered underrated and hasn't been given the full credit she deserves.
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And that's why Diana will always be mentioned before Donna.
I do think Donna deserves more credit. I remember having a debate with Sats about Donna and Diana in SYG.
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Originally posted by Cap10Planet
I remember having a debate about Donna and Diana in SYG with Sats.
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Not Donna being the Kelly Rowland of her time
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Originally posted by iBeyoncé.
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I can't at you encouraging this.
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Originally posted by BeamMeUp
Not Donna being the Kelly Rowland of her time
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Sats was on some ******** that night.
And he said she was on the same level as Thelma Houston.
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Rihanna. I mean 6 years into her career, and she's being compared to the greats and a gurl whose been in the business for like 12 years. Who's to say what greatness and accomplishments we have yet to see from her?
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Originally posted by Lately 1814
No shade, but without Janet "Single Ladies" would not exist. That's how altered Beyonce would be.
And regardless of what Beyonce says, and you think, it is clear Janet IS Beyonce's main influence when you assess them both.
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Ok, I guess I can see your point with that. But Beyoncé could always have Janet's brother to look towards if Janet never happened.
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Originally posted by Lately 1814
And yes, before Janet, there was Donna, who wasn't doing what Janet did.
Do you even know ANYTHING about Donna other than her record sales and number of top 10 hits?
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it doesn't matter. the poll is asking about who will be remembered as the biggest black female. you said urself that Donna was more important to the makings of a black female popstar than Diana but will she be remembered more than someone like Diana? No. The same could apply to Janet & how she won't be remembered as the greatest Black Female over Whitney or Diana because while her influence might be greater than theirs it doesn't necessarily make her name or celebrity bigger than theirs.
& why do y'all keep bringing up Donna with me? I said nothing about Donna, I didn't even bring her up.
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Originally posted by Cap10Planet
Sats was on some ******** that night.
And he said she was on the same level as Thelma Houston.
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That was the closest I ever was to banning him. Real talk.
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Originally posted by Ace Reject
That was the closest I ever was to banning him. Real talk.
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He was so serious, though.
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Originally posted by Cap10Planet
Sats was on some ******** that night.
And he said she was on the same level as Thelma Houston.
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He was TROLLING.
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Originally posted by Ace Reject
That was the closest I ever was to banning him. Real talk.
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Thelma Houston????? lmaoooooooooooo "Please Don't Leave Me this way" Thelma?? I used to think she was Whitney's cousin lmao
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Originally posted by Cap10Planet
Sats was on some ******** that night.
And he said she was on the same level as Thelma Houston.
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I was DYING reading SYG
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Originally posted by fortheloveofmusic
lmao ur Tina avi reminds me of Beyonce so much lol. I can feel the powerful energy thru the avi.
I feel like it's about to get heated in here (grabs popcorn)
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That's why I love it.
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Originally posted by eli's_rhythm
The key word in the title is remembered.
Janet's legacy has already been smeared by her own mistakes. MAYBE, if she hadn't faltered so badly in the 2000s, she would be the obvious answer. But even then to say she was clearly the most successful is ridiculous. Whitney sold twice as many records as her and is the voice behind one of the best-selling albums in history. She had a much bigger international impact.
I agree that she's the most iconic and she influenced other artists the most (aside from Diana). But unless she reverses what has happened over the last eight years very soon, she has no chance of being remembered as much as Whitney or Beyoncé.
Although Whit's case is a bit bizarre. She was HUGE, but it doesn't seem like real life people give her much credit. I don't think she's remembered as a trailblazer, at least not in the US. So maybe you're right, but I think your comments are way too sweeping. Janet is definitely not the clear winner here.
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Janet is the most successful out of them. Record sales isn't the only factor in determining overall success. And since when did Whitney sell 300 million records? Whitney and Janet were in the same boat on February 10, 2012. Whitney was a joke in the industry and her legacy was smeared by her drug use. Janet was a punch line in the industry 2004 - 2008 thanks to Superbowl. Now people have gotten over Superbowl, so it's okay to like Janet, and since Whitney died, it's okay to like her as well. Regardless of what ppl say, artists will continue to cite them as inspirations. People will always be singing Whitney's songs, and people will always be emulating Janet's choreography and videos. So regardless of how ppl try to write them off, acts will continue to keep them alive.
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Originally posted by Cap10Planet
And that's why Diana will always be mentioned before Donna.
I do think Donna deserves more credit. I remember having a debate about Donna and Diana in SYG with Sats.
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It's complete BS that Diana gets that leverage because of her work with Supremes. It's really not fair.
And just so we're clear - comparing their solo work, Donna >>>>>> Diana
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