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Discussion: U.S. Election 2016: Primary Season
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Y'all, I think a Bernie supporter is going to literally try and fight me tomorrow. She is insane.  Pray for me sistren. |
Just hide in the shadows sis. don't let her spot you.
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Originally posted by Bloo
I'm hoping Kasich gets the nomination after a contested convention and Trump outrages and runs third party, securing our Hillary's rightful win in November.
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Ugh, this sounds so beautiful  Make it happen G(FL)OP!
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Hello everyone, I'm from Australia so I've been hesitant to post here for the way it comes across (foreigner telling Americans how to vote and what's wrong with their system) but just want to say I've been loving your posts and am 100% behind Secretary Clinton.
I follow my domestic politics quite closely (it's the area I'm doing my graduate studies in) but this is the first time I've closely followed a US election from the start of the Primaries.
Praying HRC holds her gap for the rest of the primary and then wins in November after a Kii-filled General Election.
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That goddamn gif 
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That goddamn gif |
I love it, such a mess.
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Originally posted by Mitch.
Hello everyone, I'm from Australia so I've been hesitant to post here for the way it comes across (foreigner telling Americans how to vote and what's wrong with their system) but just want to say I've been loving your posts and am 100% behind Secretary Clinton.
I follow my domestic politics quite closely (it's the area I'm doing my graduate studies in) but this is the first time I've closely followed a US election from the start of the Primaries.
Praying HRC holds her gap for the rest of the primary and then wins in November after a Kii-filled General Election.
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sis your prayers have been answered because that's exactly what is going to happen.
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I'm prepared for the Hillary landslide.
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Originally posted by Mitch.
Hello everyone, I'm from Australia so I've been hesitant to post here for the way it comes across (foreigner telling Americans how to vote and what's wrong with their system) but just want to say I've been loving your posts and am 100% behind Secretary Clinton.
I follow my domestic politics quite closely (it's the area I'm doing my graduate studies in) but this is the first time I've closely followed a US election from the start of the Primaries.
Praying HRC holds her gap for the rest of the primary and then wins in November after a Kii-filled General Election.
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Your prayers will soon be a reality my friend.
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Although I voted in the primary for Bernie Sanders, my senator from Vermont, I don't dislike Clinton in the least. Quite the opposite. I will happily vote for her in November.
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But I thought all Bernie supporters would sit out if Hillary won the nomination. Has Twitter been lying to us?
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Kii if this ended up happening again very soon.
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Originally posted by Mitch.
Hello everyone, I'm from Australia so I've been hesitant to post here for the way it comes across (foreigner telling Americans how to vote and what's wrong with their system) but just want to say I've been loving your posts and am 100% behind Secretary Clinton.
I follow my domestic politics quite closely (it's the area I'm doing my graduate studies in) but this is the first time I've closely followed a US election from the start of the Primaries.
Praying HRC holds her gap for the rest of the primary and then wins in November after a Kii-filled General Election.
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Welcome 
Now your turn to answer some questions, if that's okay 
Is your Parliament going to be dissolved? What's going on? I read some BBC news but still don't get it, I think it's because we have different governing systems
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Originally posted by LuLuDrops
Welcome
Now your turn to answer some questions, if that's okay
Is your Parliament going to be dissolved? What's going on? I read some BBC news but still don't get it, I think it's because we have different governing systems |
This will take a bit to explain:
So Federally we have two houses. House of Representatives, which is like yours, 1 seat per geographical area and it aims to represent 90000ish people per seat. There are 150 seats in the House, and the party that gets the most seats in the house is the government.
Currently the Liberal/National Party coalition (don't be confused, they are called the Liberal party but they mean economic liberalism, they are the Right/Centre-Right Party - similar to your Republicans but probably not as right wing on average, half of them support things like SameSex Matriage, abortion etc) holds government. The Labor Party (Centre Left - essentially your democrats) is in opposition.
The Prime Minister is the leader of the government party and he has a seat just like everyone else (that's why he can be rolled/knifed like Rudd, Gillard and Abbott was - Fun Fact our last THREE PMs have been overthrown by their own party before finishing their first term (3 years)). Last year Malcolm Turnbull overthrew Tony Abbott who led the Liberal National Coalition to victory over Labor in 2013 and won government. We have federal elections every three years so we are due for one around Aug/Sept/Oct.
This is very important: the Prime Minister chooses the election date - as long as there is an election before 3 years and like 2 or 3 months after the election before it, the PM can literally choose any Saturday he likes (elections here are always on a Saturday). Normally they just do Aug/Sept/Oct on the third year so it usually isn't an issue.
Now the other house is the Senate, again similar to yours, there are x number of senators per state and the state votes for them as a whole rather than geographical areas.
This is also important: at each election (remember every 3 years) ALL of the house of reps (the one that decides government) is up for grabs. BUT senators have SIX year terms, so each election has HALF the senate seats up for grabs.
Now recently the government made a change to our senate voting laws (it's way too confusing to get into now) but basically these new laws mean the voter gets to see more clearly where their vote will go but it also means there will be FAR FEWER smaller/independent parties voted into the Senate. These changes will make it easier for the Liberal/National Coalition, Labor and the Greens (3rd 'major' party, usually gets around 10-15% of the vote, far left, usually sides with Labor).
Now currently we have a total of 8 of these non-Coalition/Labor/Green members - called crossbenchers. And they (along with the Greens) hold the balance of power. These crossbenchers have been very difficult to work with the government, they have used their numbers to block certain legislation of the government.
There is a section in our constitution that says the government can recall ALL SEATS of BOTH HOUSES EARLY, if they have legislation that the government believes is of 'national importance', that is being blocked by the Senate. This is called a Double Dissolution or DD for short. There is a bill about creating a Union watchdog that the government wants to introduce that is being blocked.
So our PM is recalling parliament (they are meant to be on break for 7 weeks) and saying they have 3 weeks to pass that bill, if not, we will have a DD on July 2nd.
Politically speaking it is essentially a strategic moves that PM Turnbull is doing for 2 reasons:
1. If we have a DD all of the senate is voted on so those crossbenchers will be gone and because of the new senate laws they probably won't be voted back in (instead more Labor/Green/Liberal-Nation Coalition senators) so he will probably get a more 'workable' senate.
2. His approval ratings are plummeting. He's broken a lot of promises since taking over from Abbott and just generally has been seen as disappointing. He thinks that if he goes to an election in July he will have a better chance of winning than if he waited till Aug/Sept/Oct
So basically even though he is saying 'oh this bill needs to be passed, it's very important' he actually doesn't want it passed, he just wants a constitutionally legal 'trigger' to go to a DD.
It remains to be seen if his strategy will work.
He'll probably still win but as of yesterday we have (essentially) started a 109 day election campaign.
Gonna be awful.
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Originally posted by Mitch.
This will take a bit to explain:
So Federally we have two houses. House of Representatives, which is like yours, 1 seat per geographical area and it aims to represent 90000ish people per seat. There are 150 seats in the House, and the party that gets the most seats in the house is the government.
Currently the Liberal/National Party coalition (don't be confused, they are called the Liberal party but they mean economic liberalism, they are the Right/Centre-Right Party - similar to your Republicans but probably not as right wing on average, half of them support things like SameSex Matriage, abortion etc) holds government. The Labor Party (Centre Left - essentially your democrats) is in opposition.
The Prime Minister is the leader of the government party and he has a seat just like everyone else (that's why he can be rolled/knifed like Rudd, Gillard and Abbott was - Fun Fact our last THREE PMs have been overthrown by their own party before finishing their first term (3 years)). Last year Malcolm Turnbull overthrew Tony Abbott who led the Liberal National Coalition to victory over Labor in 2013 and won government. We have federal elections every three years so we are due for one around Aug/Sept/Oct.
This is very important: the Prime Minister chooses the election date - as long as there is an election before 3 years and like 2 or 3 months after the election before it, the PM can literally choose any Saturday he likes (elections here are always on a Saturday). Normally they just do Aug/Sept/Oct on the third year so it usually isn't an issue.
Now the other house is the Senate, again similar to yours, there are x number of senators per state and the state votes for them as a whole rather than geographical areas.
This is also important: at each election (remember every 3 years) ALL of the house of reps (the one that decides government) is up for grabs. BUT senators have SIX year terms, so each election has HALF the senate seats up for grabs.
Now recently the government made a change to our senate voting laws (it's way too confusing to get into now) but basically these new laws mean the voter gets to see more clearly where their vote will go but it also means there will be FAR FEWER smaller/independent parties voted into the Senate. These changes will make it easier for the Liberal/National Coalition, Labor and the Greens (3rd 'major' party, usually gets around 10-15% of the vote, far left, usually sides with Labor).
Now currently we have a total of 8 of these non-Coalition/Labor/Green members - called crossbenchers. And they (along with the Greens) hold the balance of power. These crossbenchers have been very difficult to work with the government, they have used their numbers to block certain legislation of the government.
There is a section in our constitution that says the government can recall ALL SEATS of BOTH HOUSES EARLY, if they have legislation that the government believes is of 'national importance', that is being blocked by the Senate. This is called a Double Dissolution or DD for short. There is a bill about creating a Union watchdog that the government wants to introduce that is being blocked.
So our PM is recalling parliament (they are meant to be on break for 7 weeks) and saying they have 3 weeks to pass that bill, if not, we will have a DD on July 2nd.
Politically speaking it is essentially a strategic moves that PM Turnbull is doing for 2 reasons:
1. If we have a DD all of the senate is voted on so those crossbenchers will be gone and because of the new senate laws they probably won't be voted back in (instead more Labor/Green/Liberal-Nation Coalition senators) so he will probably get a more 'workable' senate.
2. His approval ratings are plummeting. He's broken a lot of promises since taking over from Abbott and just generally has been seen as disappointing. He thinks that if he goes to an election in July he will have a better chance of winning than if he waited till Aug/Sept/Oct
So basically even though he is saying 'oh this bill needs to be passed, it's very important' he actually doesn't want it passed, he just wants a constitutionally legal 'trigger' to go to a DD.
It remains to be seen if his strategy will work.
He'll probably still win but as of yesterday we have (essentially) started a 109 day election campaign.
Gonna be awful.
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Oh my god, what a mess Yeah, I read he's kissing far-right MPs' asses
Hope everything turns out okay in the end and you get more leftist MPs. The marriage plebiscite is such a waste of money if it gets through  and poor safe schools 
Abbott is probably laughing from the sidelines since he was only out and not his government 
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Originally posted by LuLuDrops
Oh my god, what a mess Yeah, I read he's kissing far-right MPs' asses
Hope everything turns out okay in the end and you get more leftist MPs. The marriage plebiscite is such a waste of money if it gets through and poor safe schools
Abbott is probably laughing from the sidelines since he was only out and not his government |
He really is, it's such ********. There were so many progressives like me who though we would never usually vote Liberal/National we were willing to give him a chance. And he's just been so so so disappointing.
Labor should pick up some seats which should be good, but they are like 20 seats down so probably too big of an ask this election.
The plebiscite is a joke and going to be so painful for so many people. We should win, it's gonna be compulsory and the polls have support hovering around 65-70% and rising over the past five years. But it's still gonna be ****.
Safe schools thing sucks too but our state Premier (Victoria the home of the far left wing in Australia) has defied the Federal government and will just fund it at a state level himself.
Abbott has been so messy lately, when he got rolled he made a point to say we wouldn't undermine or target Turnbull like Rudd did to Gillard. But he's done so much undermining already - so many progressives (who all hate Abbott more than any other politician in years) are hoping he gets even messier during the election.
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Originally posted by Mitch.
He really is, it's such ********. There were so many progressives like me who though we would never usually vote Liberal/National we were willing to give him a chance. And he's just been so so so disappointing.
Labor should pick up some seats which should be good, but they are like 20 seats down so probably too big of an ask this election.
The plebiscite is a joke and going to be so painful for so many people. We should win, it's gonna be compulsory and the polls have support hovering around 65-70% and rising over the past five years. But it's still gonna be ****.
Safe schools thing sucks too but our state Premier (Victoria the home of the far left wing in Australia) has defied the Federal government and will just fund it at a state level himself.
Abbott has been so messy lately, when he got rolled he made a point to say we wouldn't undermine or target Turnbull like Rudd did to Gillard. But he's done so much undermining already - so many progressives (who all hate Abbott more than any other politician in years) are hoping he gets even messier during the election.
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Then Tony's like Cruz, scheming religious nut who's hated by everyone, even his own party
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Today is the day folks! Hope she doesn't lose the day's delegates by a big margin (in a perfect world she'd win the day but I won't hold out hope for it). Anyways my prediction last Tuesday was pretty spot on so I wanna see if my Western Tuesday predictions come true as well 
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There's always a chance she'd lose it but...I don't think so. Let me put down my predictions again, seeing as I'm on a cute win streak so far
Arizona: Hillary by at least 10
Utah: Bernie between 5-25
Idaho: Bernie between 5-25
Caucuses are harder to predict (hence why I have a big range) but these seem about right.
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I think because of the attacks in Europe today, Trump will be able to get over 50% of the vote in at least one state.
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Let's go Hillary 
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Originally posted by Mitch.
He really is, it's such ********. There were so many progressives like me who though we would never usually vote Liberal/National we were willing to give him a chance. And he's just been so so so disappointing.
Labor should pick up some seats which should be good, but they are like 20 seats down so probably too big of an ask this election.
The plebiscite is a joke and going to be so painful for so many people. We should win, it's gonna be compulsory and the polls have support hovering around 65-70% and rising over the past five years. But it's still gonna be ****.
Safe schools thing sucks too but our state Premier (Victoria the home of the far left wing in Australia) has defied the Federal government and will just fund it at a state level himself.
Abbott has been so messy lately, when he got rolled he made a point to say we wouldn't undermine or target Turnbull like Rudd did to Gillard. But he's done so much undermining already - so many progressives (who all hate Abbott more than any other politician in years) are hoping he gets even messier during the election.
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I'm not Australian but I really liked Turnbull; was delighted when there was a leadership spill. Gillard has made me seriously doubt the Labor Party too.
Has Turnbull been doing so badly? As in Abbott/Gillard levels?
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I love queen