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Discussion: U.S. Election 2016: Primary Season
Member Since: 4/6/2011
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Originally posted by inspiration4
I don't pay attention to politics much anymore, but I feel like this anti-Trump sentiment is somewhat unwarranted.
Yeah he had the "no Muslim immigration" stance, and he talked about building a wall, but how did those comments translate into him hating everyone who wasn't a straight white male?
Am I missing something?
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Time to catch up on the debates sis.  Trump has insulted war veterans, women, Mexicans, muslims, innocent civilians of other nations, handicapped people, threatened to make army members perform illegal acts of violence on others and more. 
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Member Since: 10/10/2009
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Originally posted by Danny789
He did say he was going to deny citizenship and deport undocumented people thats a personal issue
For me because many of my friends were brought here as children
He also said gay marriage isn't his thing and he prefers traditional marriage so he most likely will not protect the ruling and let the repubs overturn it
Same for planned parenthood
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Interesting.
If anything ,this kind of confirms my suspicion that people (and media) have taken a few of his "out there" remarks/beliefs and turned them into him being a totally racist, sexists, anti-everything kind of person.
After a while people are going to realize this "nazi-Trump" campaign is mostly baseless, and he'll come across as a victim of extreme liberals, the media, and the republican/political establishment. He could very well be the underdog that everyone gravitates towards. Long time till election day.
Btw, I'm kinda just voicing my thoughts, not directly at you.
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Member Since: 12/13/2011
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How does Bernie have a chance? I literally see all on my facebook "DON'T GIVE UP!! BERNIE STILL COULD TAKE IT!!!" 
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I just wish she could have won Michigan
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Originally posted by Reza
Time to catch up on the debates sis. Trump has insulted war veterans, women, Mexicans, muslims, innocent civilians of other nations, handicapped people, threatened to make army members perform illegal acts of violence on others and more. |
hmmm
He hasn't insulted half that list though?. Insulting a single person (or people) of a demographic, does not equate to insulting the entire demographic.
Even his most infamous comments about Mexicans are not an insult to Mexicans. At best, they're insulting to illegal immigrants from there, since they were the only one's whose character he's spoken on.
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Member Since: 4/6/2011
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Originally posted by inspiration4
hmmm
He hasn't insulted half that list though?. Insulting a single person (or people) of a demographic, does not equate to insulting the entire demographic.
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What?  that doesn't make any sense and yes he has insulted everyone of those people that I listed.
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Member Since: 10/10/2009
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Originally posted by Reza
What? that doesn't make any sense and yes he has insulted everyone of those people that I listed. |
Yes, it does.
For example, calling Rosie O'donnel a "fat pig" is an insult to Rosie, not to all women, or to all lesbian women.
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Member Since: 12/29/2011
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Originally posted by inspiration4
hmmm
He hasn't insulted half that list though?. Insulting a single person (or people) of a demographic, does not equate to insulting the entire demographic..
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So I shouldn't worry about him insulting my friends and their families character and most likely
ruining relations with Mexico where many members of my family live and I visit often?
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Member Since: 5/12/2012
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Originally posted by inspiration4
Yes, it does.
For example, calling Rosie O'donnel a "fat pig" is an insult to Rosie, not to all women, or to all lesbian women.
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You're clearly deluded or ill-informed. Can't decide... 
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Member Since: 6/29/2012
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Originally posted by inspiration4
hmmm
He hasn't insulted half that list though?. Insulting a single person (or people) of a demographic, does not equate to insulting the entire demographic.
Even his most infamous comments about Mexicans are not an insult to Mexicans. At best, they're insulting to illegal immigrants from there, since they were the only one's whose character he's spoken on.
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Honestly, it doesn't even matter at this point. A PRESIDENT should not insult anyone. Period. Donald Trump needs to SHUT UP.
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Member Since: 10/10/2009
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Originally posted by Danny789
So I shouldn't worry about him insulting my friends and their families character and most likely
ruining relations with Mexico where many members of my family live and I visit often?
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I didn't say you shouldn't care.
I said he didn't insult Mexicans. He"insulted" Mexicans who entered the country illegally. There is a difference.
And those comments wouldn't harm relations with Mexico.
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Member Since: 4/6/2011
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Originally posted by inspiration4
Yes, it does.
For example, calling Rosie O'donnel a "fat pig" is an insult to Rosie, not to all women, or to all lesbian women.
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When discussing John Mccain he said that he wasn't a war hero because he was a Prisoner of War (POW) and he said he preferred for his soldiers to NOT be captured. do you realize how disgusting this is to all POWs? basically saying that they were somehow not good enough to not be captured?
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Member Since: 12/29/2011
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Originally posted by inspiration4
I didn't say you shouldn't care.
I said he didn't insult Mexicans. He"insulted" Mexicans who entered the country illegally. There is a difference.
And those comments wouldn't harm relations with Mexico. |
Building a wall and asking Mexico to pay for it will definitely ruin relations
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Member Since: 4/6/2011
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Originally posted by Danny789
So I shouldn't worry about him insulting my friends and their families character and most likely
ruining relations with Mexico where many members of my family live and I visit often?
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he doesn't get it. Fortunately everyone who isn't a Donald fan in the US knows how ignorant his words are including many republicans. 
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Member Since: 8/7/2015
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Originally posted by inspiration4
I didn't say you shouldn't care.
I said he didn't insult Mexicans. He"insulted" Mexicans who entered the country illegally. There is a difference.
And those comments wouldn't harm relations with Mexico. |
Yet the President of Mexico has literally said Trump's comments are straining relations with the US. US diplomats around the world are having to try to assuage the fears of other governments about a possible Trump presidency. This is actually happening and isn't the invention of some liberal bias
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Member Since: 3/27/2012
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Originally posted by Retro
I mean, we have a right to vote for whoever we please, but a responsibility to vote for who we truly believe would best benefit our country.
I would certainly hope that Bernie supporters, in particular, would pick the candidate who agrees with Bernie on over 90% of issues.
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Luckily most of the Bernier supporters are just social media liberals who are to young to vote. The amount of support he gets on social media but lack of votes he gets in actual polling is obvious of this.
So those who say "i'm voting Trump if Hilary wins" won't go near a polling booth on Election day thankfully.
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Just going to throw this out, but Mexico is one of many nations that the USA has large trade deficits with. Some say that other leaders fear that Trump would want fairer trade deals, ones in in which both countries benefit. Some say that other world leaders may also fear Trump’s strength. Obama’s one of the kindest, gentlest presidents in history (literally the only ones he attacks are republicans...). But gentleness can be mistaken for weakness. Many voters feel that the USA should not have to walk on egg shells while other nations become emboldened and increasingly provocative (North Korea, Iran, etc). Basically, Trump wouldn’t take any mess from them.
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Originally posted by Reza
he doesn't get it. Fortunately everyone who isn't a Donald fan in the US knows how ignorant his words are including many republicans. |
I'm not a "Donald fan".
And I don't deny he's said some crazy things.
But the outage over his candidacy has officially exceeded whats warranted. And I think that when clearer heads prevail (months down the road) and people realize that despite a few truly bad statements, he's not nearly as bad as he's been portrayed, people will gravitate towards him. He'll be the underdog, ant-establishment, made it here against-all-odds, "tells it like it is" candidate.
I'm basically saying that the sensationalism of his vices will backfire, and ultimately be beneficial for him. Am I wrong? Perhaps.
Time will tell though.
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Originally posted by Manimuni
Just going to throw this out, but Mexico is one of many nations that the USA has large trade deficits with. Some say that other leaders fear that Trump would want fairer trade deals, ones in in which both countries benefit. Some say that other world leaders may also fear Trump’s strength. Obama’s one of the kindest, gentlest presidents in history (literally the only ones he attacks are republicans...). But gentleness can be mistaken for weakness. Many voters feel that the USA should not have to walk on egg shells while other nations become emboldened and increasingly provocative (North Korea, Iran, etc). Basically, Trump wouldn’t take any mess from them.
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I get that idea... But Trump has so much baggage to him that that claim doesn't make sense. Most of the world hates him already and is fearful of him getting elected.
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Member Since: 11/15/2009
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These Trump folk coming out of the woodwork all of the sudden
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