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Discussion: U.S. Election 2016: Primary Season
Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by Bey Admired
So, you're okay with the fact that fascism could be an outcome of a Trump Presidency, just as long as Hillary Clinton isn't the nominee. Look at it this way, we do know what to expect with Hillary - little but significant change. She's going to expand and consolidate Obama's work, and introduce her own policies simultaneously. As we know, she generally agrees with most of Bernie's views, so a Clinton Presidency wouldn't be too different from a Sanders Presidency. In fact, they'd be very similar on everything, apart from Healthcare, some Foreign Policy, and the Economy.
If you compare the worst case scenarios for a Trump vs. Clinton Presidency, I think anyone with two brain cells to rub together could conclude that a Trump Presidency would be worse. He's an owner of a Billion+ dollar organisation. You think he's going to tax the rich and corrupt organisations? NO. He's going to help the rich in anyway he can. That literally repels every single Policy that Bernie has ever had. So how the hell could you go from supporting a non-racist, non-xenophobic, non-fascist, pro Middle-class, pro-women's rights, civil rights activist, and pro-immigration candidate; to someone who is the opposite in every sense of the word. You really can't make this **** up. I beg that you educate yourself. Bernie would literally laugh in your face. I literally can't fathom this level of ignorance.
Ahh, it's starting to make sense. It's either one of two reasons, or both.
- You're sexist. Anyone is better than a woman in your eyes. You can't stand it when she raises her voice and when she stands up for herself. You hold her to a different standard than any male candidate because she's a woman, and women are supposed to know better.
- You only care about one thing and that's making sure you're richer in 8 years, and the rich are poorer. You don't care about Women's rights, immigration and families being torn apart, gay rights, and you certainly don't care about the rights of African Americans.
If you're going to go from voting Bernie to voting for Trump, you seriously have to fall under either of the two. Which one is it? And before you mention campaign finance, Trump would not do a damn thing about it either. Rest assured, if he wasn't worth Billions, he would be using Super PACs too. |
You are a f*cking moron. If you read my post I explained that I liked Bernie Sanders as an INDIVIDUAL. I admire his passion and how he is running his campaign truly because he believes he can help the American people and not just for hubris. His actual political views would be disastrous for this nation. I never said I supported him, I was referencing his character. I think Hillary Clinton has terrible character. Like I have explained, that is my gut instinct whenever I watch her on television or read news articles regarding her. I really don't have to justify my vote to you or anybody anyway. And you insulting my character is disgusting and low class. You have the nerve to assert me as any of those things. Get real here. Presidential power is greatly checked by the balances within our government. Don't act like a dictator is about to come in to repeal f*cking Roe v. Wade you imbecile. And FYI I thought Carly Fiorina was a decent candidate and I agreed with much of her economic policy, but I guess she doesn't count as a woman because she's conservative.
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Member Since: 1/20/2012
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Originally posted by The Countess
I'm talking about economics and trade.
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Specifically what? Raising taxes and getting rid of free trade? I'm not seeing how that ends capitalism.
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ATRL Senior Member
Member Since: 3/22/2012
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Originally posted by KyIe
Hun, you can chill now. First of all I don't really give a f*ck what her positions are on any of those. I don't care about her beliefs. I know what they are and I don't particularly like democratic policies so it doest matter either way I have a problem with how she incorporates policy into her political gain. For example she was against Obamacare initially and completely changed her tune 4 years later. Same thing with gay marriage in 2010. iI do not like her nor do I believe she has good character. You are obviously free to disagree from me but thats not going to change my views on her as a person.
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First you say she's a flip-flopper and that's why you don't like her, then you say that you actually don't care if she's been consistent, and then go on to completely ignore my post and claim she changes policy for political gain.
Then you give an outright lie about Obamacare - and yes, it is a lie, because she's been for universal coverage and reforming the whole system since literally 1992. In 2008, the only reason she didn't fully support it was because she was her own candidate and had her own entire plan! Additionally, you try to say it's "the same" for gay marriage, when in reality she shifted from supporting full-rights unions to supporting just calling it marriage.
When your views "on her as a person" are based on lies and falsehoods? I think I'll keep pointing out the flaws in your logic.
I don't care that you don't like her, I just want you to be aware that you don't actually have a reason for it.
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Member Since: 8/3/2010
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Originally posted by KimmyBella
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It's an antiretroviral drug
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Member Since: 7/4/2007
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Originally posted by KyIe
Hun, you can chill now. First of all I don't really give a f*ck what her positions are on any of those. I don't care about her beliefs.
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Well, government ideally is about those things rather than not liking people.
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Member Since: 12/21/2010
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Originally posted by Marvin
Literally no one is trying to give up on capitalism. Free education and free healthcare will NOT be the end of capitalism.
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Girl - the platform of his own made-up party is "Democratic socialism." 
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"Gut instinct" is inappropriate as a source of judgment when comparing policy and candidates. There's too much at stake to elect based on gut instinct.
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Originally posted by BoyOnBoy Wonder
Girl - the platform of his own made-up party is "Democratic socialism." |
No it's not
He calls himself a democratic socialist, that doesn't mean he want to turn America into a socialist country. Do some research
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Member Since: 12/21/2010
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Originally posted by Marvin
No it's not
He calls himself a democratic socialist, that doesn't mean he want to turn America into a socialist country. Do some research |
So he calls himself a Democratic socialist but it's not his belief system?
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Member Since: 1/20/2012
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Originally posted by BoyOnBoy Wonder
She he calls himself a Democratic socialist but it's not his belief system?
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Like I said, do your research. Then come back to me.
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Member Since: 12/21/2010
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Originally posted by Marvin
Like I said, do your research. Then come back to me.
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Do my research?
I don't think any research is necessary. He calls himself a Democratic socialist - this is what he believes in - his belief system would guide him if he were to become president (which obviously isn't happening at this point).
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by Retro
First you say she's a flip-flopper and that's why you don't like her, then you say that you actually don't care if she's been consistent, and then go on to completely ignore my post and claim she changes policy for political gain.
Then you give an outright lie about Obamacare - and yes, it is a lie, because she's been for universal coverage and reforming the whole system since literally 1992. In 2008, the only reason she didn't fully support it was because she was her own candidate and had her own entire plan! Additionally, you try to say it's "the same" for gay marriage, when in reality she shifted from supporting full-rights unions to supporting just calling it marriage.
When your views "on her as a person" are based on lies and falsehoods? I think I'll keep pointing out the flaws in your logic.
I don't care that you don't like her, I just want you to be aware that you don't actually have a reason for it.
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There is literally a video from 2010 saying she doesn't believe in gay marriage. And now she merits her campaign on being to pro gay with her rainbow H twitter handle and her tweets run by her campaign. Many of her contemporaries were supportive of it years before she was. And I don't even know what she truly believes on that issue or many others. So its not based on falsehoods I don't like her as a person and disagree with her political views anyway since I'm libertarian. Don't act like this is all some conspiracy against her and everybody who doesn't like her is just brainwashed. Please its tiring.
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Member Since: 8/6/2015
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Originally posted by TurntUp
Omg did y'all know daddy Don Lemon is 50!!!  |
Don Lemon is so freaking hot... He looks like a mirror image of my ex boyfriend (even though my ex was asian)... They have the same exact facial structure... 
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Member Since: 12/21/2010
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Originally posted by KyIe
There is literally a video from 2010 saying she doesn't believe in gay marriage.
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He didn't support gay marriage until recently either.
So...
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Member Since: 6/29/2012
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Originally posted by BoyOnBoy Wonder
Do my research?
I don't think any research is necessary. He calls himself a Democratic socialist - this is what he believes in - his belief system would guide him if he were to become president (which obviously isn't happening at this point).
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This gif has me screaming omg. Mitch is so damn ugly 
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Originally posted by Retro
"Gut instinct" is inappropriate as a source of judgment when comparing policy and candidates. There's too much at stake to elect based on gut instinct.
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If want to write in Kim Kardashian or Tila Tequila and submit my ballot then I'm going to do it. Regardless of what you may believe, there is no qualifications or metric to decide who to vote for or how to vote. One of the greats rights we have in a democracy.
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Literally, more than a quarter of the country (likely over half of Democrats) changed their view on gay marriage in the past decade. But yet they only blame Hill-Dawg.
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And OMG I didn't know Don is GAY!! WTH???
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Member Since: 12/21/2010
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Originally posted by KyIe
If want to write in Kim Kardashian or Tila Tequila and submit my ballot then I'm going to do it. Regardless of what you may believe, there is no qualifications or metric to decide who to vote for or how to vote. One of the greats rights we have in a democracy.
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Actually, according to the Constitution, Tila Tequila isn't eligible to be president.
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Member Since: 1/20/2012
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Originally posted by BoyOnBoy Wonder
Do my research?
I don't think any research is necessary. He calls himself a Democratic socialist - this is what he believes in - his belief system would guide him if he were to become president (which obviously isn't happening at this point).
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This is very ignorant lmao. Try again.
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