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Album: Lady Gaga - 'ARTPOP' (#3)
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ARTPIZZA
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Cool pizza.
I always wanted to eat her 
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by Yzma
Get ready for ARTPOP the RE-Born This Way Fame Monster. And the ART of being Born This Way as the Fame Monster POP Ball Tour.
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Member Since: 6/23/2011
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I love ARTPOP Era. She served some great music and my favorite looks ever.
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ATRL Senior Member
Member Since: 8/1/2012
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Originally posted by Vespertine
ARTPIZZA
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One second I'm Italian, then suddenly the pizza's me
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Member Since: 9/12/2011
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Originally posted by Tuli
I love ARTPOP Era. She served some great music and my favorite looks ever.
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Brazil better stan 
Probably my favorite look this era as well.
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Member Since: 4/5/2012
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Originally posted by jhonyguy04
Yeah take that pill honey
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pressed I see
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Member Since: 8/1/2012
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I don't think you can blame shortcomings on one individual.
Firstly, her management needs to be far more on the ball. It's not just about saying 'no' sometimes, it's guidance and support to market herself efficiently. That should begin before the record studio, not just when she hands in the record. There has to be a strategy - where should she go, what should she make, who should she work with, how should she execute it etc.
Secondly, she needs to work with more experienced creatives. So much is resting on her shoulders - because she wants it that way - and as great as she is, she's still new to the industry. Her collaborators are largely pop novices which means it's down to her to know what works and what will click. And any creative knows that it's hard to see the wood from the trees when you're that absorbed and close to the project. You need to be challenged, questioned and critiqued - ideally by people who know what they're talking about. As good as DJWS/Madeon/Zedd etc. are...they're newbies with minimal/no pop experience beyond Gaga.
Ultimately though, Gaga needs to want to fight and play the game to remain top tier. She knows what to do and how to do it, she just needs to go there and not keep on rebelling.
Fans aren't blameless either. We're very demanding and vocal about our needs, wants and thoughts...some of which do get to Gaga and perhaps steer her off course. I think ARTPOP was trying to appease us, but we don't actually know what we want a lot of the time. Plenty only stan for success as well, so they want "more TF/M"...but reject it when the dance/pop doesn't smash the same way it did.
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by Vespertine
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FameGa
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Member Since: 3/5/2011
Posts: 30,130
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Originally posted by Tuli
I love ARTPOP Era. She served some great music and my favorite looks ever.
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Member Since: 2/16/2010
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Originally posted by Vertigo Stick
DJWS did pretty well on ARTPOP. He gave us some of the best songs in Gaga her career. She probably could have knocked down three of his songs though and added more people.
But ARTPOP doesn't seem to be the result of people telling Gaga 'yes,' but the exact opposite. The album Gaga turned in was probably rejected. It's so obvious they wanted record breaking #1s in an effort to reinstate Gaga.
Gaga referred to ARTPOP as TFM's little rave sister. What rave? There is NO rave music on this album and you cannot play it in a club straight through (Dope). She wanted videos for each song, but that didn't happen.
The dual disc 'experimental' and 'pop' album seemed really smart. I think that's what she wanted to do, but it didn't happen. ARTPOP seems like the result of internal conflict and I wouldn't be surprised if Gaga resents in the near future.
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I believe this.
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Member Since: 8/1/2012
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Originally posted by toanythingtaboo
I don't think you can blame shortcomings on one individual.
Firstly, her management needs to be far more on the ball. It's not just about saying 'no' sometimes, it's guidance and support to market herself efficiently. That should begin before the record studio, not just when she hands in the record. There has to be a strategy - where should she go, what should she make, who should she work with, how should she execute it etc.
Secondly, she needs to work with more experienced creatives. So much is resting on her shoulders - because she wants it that way - and as great as she is, she's still new to the industry. Her collaborators are largely pop novices which means it's down to her to know what works and what will click. And any creative knows that it's hard to see the wood from the trees when you're that absorbed and close to the project. You need to be challenged, questioned and critiqued - ideally by people who know what they're talking about. As good as DJWS/Madeon/Zedd etc. are...they're newbies with minimal/no pop experience beyond Gaga.
Ultimately though, Gaga needs to want to fight and play the game to remain top tier. She knows what to do and how to do it, she just needs to go there and not keep on rebelling.
Fans aren't blameless either. We're very demanding and vocal about our needs, wants and thoughts...some of which do get to Gaga and perhaps steer her off course. I think ARTPOP was trying to appease us, but we don't actually know what we want a lot of the time. Plenty only stan for success as well, so they want "more TF/M"...but reject it when the dance/pop doesn't smash the same way it did.
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I don't think you understand Gaga, she doesn't want to have an average cookie-cut pop song which would be indistinguishable from other pop songs. She just wants to make her own music and release it, regardless of who it will cater to.
With ARTPOP Act II being Gaga's last album with Interscope, I can see her going independent- creating her own music label and just bringing out the music she wants with no management breathing down her neck telling her it has to be like this.
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Member Since: 2/16/2010
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She will probably leave Interscope but they've generally been pretty good to her - it might be a mistake.
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Member Since: 3/5/2011
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Originally posted by aidan_dolan
I don't think you understand Gaga, she doesn't want to have an average cookie-cut pop song which would be indistinguishable from other pop songs. She just wants to make her own music and release it, regardless of who it will cater to.
With ARTPOP Act II being Gaga's last album with Interscope, I can see her going independent- creating her own music label and just bringing out the music she wants with no management breathing down her neck telling her it has to be like this.
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Leaving Interscope would be a TERRIBLE mistake. People underestimate just how many doors they open for her...
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Member Since: 2/16/2010
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Originally posted by Darren-5-08
Leaving Interscope would be a TERRIBLE mistake. People underestimate just how many doors they open for her...
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The promo budget would disappear.
Well, then we could really call Gaga an indie artist.
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Member Since: 4/5/2012
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Originally posted by aidan_dolan
I don't think you understand Gaga, she doesn't want to have an average cookie-cut pop song which would be indistinguishable from other pop songs. She just wants to make her own music and release it, regardless of who it will cater to.
With ARTPOP Act II being Gaga's last album with Interscope, I can see her going independent- creating her own music label and just bringing out the music she wants with no management breathing down her neck telling her it has to be like this.
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and if she does that, that will be the end of lady gaga. bookmark me.
i want her to be on top again. and i bet she does, too. there's no way she's not disappointed by the lackluster sales and harsh criticism on the album. she scored higher when she wasn't trying so hard to be artistic and different; it happened naturally for her. but now everything is appearing so contrived because she's trying to re-create a moment and not just letting it happen.
that's my gripe, really. she has so much potential, but it is evident that she is just trying way too hard. i love gaga and i want her back on track, and blowing everyone else away. she has the drive and the talent to do so...she just isn't really utilizing these characteristics to her advantage at the moment.
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Member Since: 3/15/2013
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Originally posted by aidan_dolan
I don't think you understand Gaga, she doesn't want to have an average cookie-cut pop song which would be indistinguishable from other pop songs. She just wants to make her own music and release it, regardless of who it will cater to.
With ARTPOP Act II being Gaga's last album with Interscope, I can see her going independent- creating her own music label and just bringing out the music she wants with no management breathing down her neck telling her it has to be like this.
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Welp.
Lets pack our bags and chase the sunset, bust the rear view and fire up the jets
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Member Since: 3/5/2011
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Originally posted by MusicTalker
The promo budget would disappear.
Well, then we could really call Gaga an indie artist.
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I know I always say I'm not here for the success, but the success is necessary to an extent to ensure that we still get to actually SEE her...
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Member Since: 2/16/2010
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Originally posted by Darren-5-08
I know I always say I'm not here for the success, but the success is necessary to an extent to ensure that we still get to actually SEE her...
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People think wanting an artist to be successful is a bad thing, when it's the best thing possible. More success = more budget = more budget for better productions, better writing, more studio time, better videos, etc.
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Member Since: 2/15/2012
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Originally posted by Darren-5-08
Leaving Interscope would be a TERRIBLE mistake. People underestimate just how many doors they open for her...
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I agree, but if she -thinks- she can do it all by herself, then by all means let her attempt.
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