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Fan Base: Avril Lavigne
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Member Since: 9/25/2011
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Originally posted by Vulps
I don't know what I find funnier, that you think TBDT is any more manufactured than her first two albums, or that it took you more than 0.5 seconds to realize that she wasn't a "rockstar".
She was packed and presented to us from day one, especially those first two or so years. If anything, she's at her "realest" now, which is probably why we can see what a sloppy artist she really is.
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Well, when you are younger, more impressionable and "blinder", you don't realize certain things you realize later. See what the singer from Chvurches said recently about the LG album/era. I still think UMS isn't too much manufactured compared to LG or TBDT, I find it more genuine than the overused skater girl image from LG or the pink-streaked, platinum-blonde chick who used dancers and was marketed to kids and early teens. It might be because it's my favourite era/album and I was at my highest as a fan, I recognize
The problem with her nowadays is that she doesn't have a clear image, people doesn't know what to expect from her; and AL album/eras was a clear proof. For the last two albums/era, she seemed to want to release a certain album but then the label comes with "bureaucratic ********" and ruins it from the start. Of course, she's not completely innocent, but when you start an era like that, it's ****ed-up from the start. We'll have to wait and see what happens for next album, still too soon to judge...
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Originally posted by Mrnoniee
There are tons of producers in Music Industry,
and they just need CA$H
and they're ready to work with anyone (a flop artist or not)
seeing Ep!c's budget I don't think that's going to happen.
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Epic just payed 5H to work with Max Martin's writing camp tho
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Originally posted by Sk8er Boi
VEVO views update of the week
#1 Girlfriend 293.830.334 (+833.000)
#2 Wish You Were Here 241.069.844 (+719.000)
#3 What The Hell 239.045.911 (+693.000)
#4 When You're Gone 233.528.952 (+869.000)
#5 Smile 123.984.171 (+442.000)
#6 Here's To Never Growing Up 113.538.327 (+436.000)
#7 Hello Kitty 95.917.810 (+582.000) VEVO certified in early 7 weeks
#8 Hot 93.899.153 (+182.000) VEVO certified in early 33 weeks
#9 Let Me Go 93.981.474 (+477.000) VEVO certified in early 13 weeks
#10 Complicated 92.378.671 (+542.000) VEVO certified in early 14 weeks
#11 My Happy Ending 60.513.530 (+380.000)
#12 I'm With You 60.097.774 (+365.000)
#13 Sk8er Boi 59.938.350 (+363.000)
#14 Rock N Roll 57.126.703 (+269.000)
#15 Nobody's Home 34.723.846 (+191.000)
#16 The Best Damn Thing 30.318.667 (+94.000)
#17 Girlfriend (remix) 29.481.783 (+6.000)
#18 Don't Tell Me 25.350.507 (+129.000)
#19 Give You What You Like 21.460.374 (+308.000)
#20 Alice 17.741.875 (+86.000)
#21 Losing Grip 14.696.799 (+102.000)
#22 My Happy Ending (Explicit)7.048.353 (+15.000)
#23 He Wasn't 6.646.114 (+32.000)
#24 Fly 2.736.774 (+43.000)
#25 Don't Tell Me (clean) 2.014.829
#26 Girlfriend (remix clean version) 1.575.490
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Let Me Go about to snatch Hot!
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Member Since: 6/30/2010
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Originally posted by Lippy
The band aids teas
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At least we have an album to discuss.
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Originally posted by Mrnoniee
There are tons of producers in Music Industry,
and they just need CA$H
and they're ready to work with anyone (a flop artist or not)
seeing Ep!c's budget I don't think that's going to happen.
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omg stOP
If Heidi Montag could find producers for her album I'm pretty sure Avril should be able to manage just fine.
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Originally posted by Jack Jackson
The problem with her nowadays is that she doesn't have a clear image, people doesn't know what to expect from her; and AL album/eras was a clear proof. For the last two albums/era, she seemed to want to release a certain album but then the label comes with "bureaucratic ********" and ruins it from the start. Of course, she's not completely innocent, but when you start an era like that, it's ****ed-up from the start. We'll have to wait and see what happens for next album, still too soon to judge...
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I agree with you, it definitely seems like her label is playing some part in ****ing up her eras (at least sonically).
But honestly, in the end it lies on her. She's the artist. You're telling me she couldn't have created a lead single for Goodbye Lullaby that was catchy AND sounded like the rest of the album? Or have released "fun" songs for AL that didn't rehash the same theme and lyrics over and over again?
In the end, she seems uninspired and artistically limited. I really don't understand how somebody can live and breathe music and still work the way she does but oh well.
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Originally posted by Lippy
The band aids teas
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Member Since: 2/8/2014
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Originally posted by Jack Jackson
I've come to realize that her "rockstar pose" is just that, a pose that nobody really buys, not even herself or most of her fans. Sonically, it was still present somehow with TBDT, which still contained some edgy, pop-punk stuff, despite being one of the most mainstream/commercial/manufactured album/eras. If she really was or wanted to be a rockstar, she would have constantly released "rock" material and show it on stage further than strumming a few chords or doing the He Wasn't "up and down" moves every tour.
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P!nk maintains that she's "still a rockstar with her rock moves", yet her music is far from rock-ish and she doesn't even play any instruments.
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Originally posted by Mrnoniee
Avril's career is so similar to Alanis Morristte.
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Alanis never had a successful third album. Jagged Little Pill was HUGE, but her follow-up (I don't remember what it was called) did only average. And it's been downhill for Alanis from there.
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Originally posted by Goofy
Epic just payed 5H to work with Max Martin's writing camp tho
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Clock it. Plus, Epic seemingly had enough $$$$ to give Meghan Trainor radio adds.
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Member Since: 2/8/2014
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Originally posted by StarlightShimmers
Avrl Lavigne has always been a pop-rock girl (like Alanis Morissette), she was never punk. Avril just needs to work with different people, she tends to work with the same damn people all the time and it's getting stale. If there's one thing I like about Avril, she manages to keep that pop-rock sound in her songs and I think she should keep doing that sound, she's literally the only female artist at the moment that's doing pop-rock, really, everyone else has jumped on the disco-dance or urban bandwagon.
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Originally posted by caleb.
She needs to put the bad blood between her and The Matrix, Butch Walker and Chantal Kreviazuk past her. Or the better option, find new writers and producers to work with. She needs to find inspiration to do something new with her pop rock brand. I agree with StarlightShimmers. She needs to keep her pop rock brand (not that she needed this affirmation from her fans because most likely she will).
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People here on ATRL will argue that Avril sticking to pop-rock is what's killing her career, because the pop-rock genre has been totally irrelevant for many years now. Neither P!nk nor Kelly Clarkson do pop-rock anymore. Same with Taylor, who ditched country-pop.
I'm pretty much disconcerted by how ATRL members keep saying that Avril's music sounds outdated, and that Avril needs to dive into dance, electro, EDM...or something more trendy.
That's what everyone on this thread I had posted suggested-
http://atrl.net/forums/showthread.php?t=758948
Personally, Avril would look foolish attempting to do what every other pop girl is doing rn. She should just do her own thing, but at least come up with something refreshing.
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Member Since: 9/25/2011
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Originally posted by HBK-79
P!nk maintains that she's "still a rockstar with her rock moves", yet her music is far from rock-ish and she doesn't even play any instruments.
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Are you ever going to stop using P!nk as an example for everything? It's quite annoying. I don't give a **** about her Always using the same "P!nk is doing this, P!nk is doing that", so tiring.
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Originally posted by HBK-79
People here on ATRL will argue that Avril sticking to pop-rock is what's killing her career, because the pop-rock genre has been totally irrelevant for many years now. Neither P!nk nor Kelly Clarkson do pop-rock anymore. Same with Taylor, who ditched country-pop.
I'm pretty much disconcerted by how ATRL members keep saying that Avril's music sounds outdated, and that Avril needs to dive into dance, electro, EDM...or something more trendy.
That's what everyone on this thread I had posted suggested-
http://atrl.net/forums/showthread.php?t=758948
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Well, considering that this is ATRL and most of people only cares about pop, relevancy and success, it's not that strange to see. I don't think that's generally what the GP thinks, and much less what her fans think, which is the most important thing IMO.
If she ever dives into those genre, I'm out. I want her to stick to pop-rock, and that doesn't necessarily mean recycling old styles/sounds from previous album, that genre is wide enough to be able to release something that may be fresh and make her be a bit relevant again, even though I don't really care about it.
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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Originally posted by HBK-79
People here on ATRL will argue that Avril sticking to pop-rock is what's killing her career, because the pop-rock genre has been totally irrelevant for many years now. Neither P!nk nor Kelly Clarkson do pop-rock anymore. Same with Taylor, who ditched country-pop.
I'm pretty much disconcerted by how ATRL members keep saying that Avril's music sounds outdated, and that Avril needs to dive into dance, electro, EDM...or something more trendy.
That's what everyone on this thread I had posted suggested-
http://atrl.net/forums/showthread.php?t=758948
Personally, Avril would look foolish attempting to do what every other pop girl is doing rn. She should just do her own thing, but at least come up with something refreshing.
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That's what I've been saying. I listen to dance-pop a lot (one of my faves is considered the dance-pop goddess, she has done everything dance-related, doesn't jump bandwagons, does her own thing too), but Avril Lavigne's strength is the fact that she has a recognisable sound, that pop-rock genre, it's what makes her stand out the most. Avril just needs some inspiration, or motivation, or a new perspective. Pop-rock is a very versatile genre in itself and Avril's songs are only the tip of the iceberg, you can do so much with pop (the most versatile genre of them all) and rock (and rock itself as a genre is extremely diverse, there's everything from punk, grunge, hard rock, metal, new wave, dance rock, soft rock, etc).
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Avril mentioned via video call with TALF campaign winner that she's gonna write more rock ballads to express all the emotions she's been through this past year.
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Originally posted by HeddaO
Avril mentioned via video call with TALF campaign winner that she's gonna write more rock ballads to express all the emotions she's been through this past year.
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My Immortal is coming
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Originally posted by HeddaO
Avril mentioned via video call with TALF campaign winner that she's gonna write more rock ballads to express all the emotions she's been through this past year.
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K but will we ever hear them?
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Member Since: 1/28/2010
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Originally posted by Afferty
^^ Die! why you don't go and stan for someone else? I don't know why the King Emma called you to comeback here back in 2011 you are such a damn annoying MESS! and now I get into the point of I CAN'T STAND YOU!
please do us a favor and retire.
PLEASEEEE
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Girl, first of all, it's not my fault that you recieved a warning point though i'm the one who reported your post. Coz you totally deserve it for insulting other people.
Second, i'm not a mess, you're a mess for being childish. If you don't like my post, you can choose not to read. I'm not doing anything against ATRL's rules so you don't have the right to tell me when to stop. And if you have free time, just check other thread and see how I defend the queen against other fan base. It's better than you sitting here and attacking other people who try to keep this thread alive
And last but not least, enjoy another warning point. And if you insult me again, remeber there is a warning button and i will hit it until you get banned . Play smart next time.
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why do you take everything so seriously weird
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Girl, how do i know that you're kidding when we're talking online. Even myfriend mistaking that I'm insulting them when i'm messing with them via text .
But I apologizes if you were just kidding .
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Member Since: 9/25/2011
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Originally posted by HeddaO
Avril mentioned via video call with TALF campaign winner that she's gonna write more rock ballads to express all the emotions she's been through this past year.
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She should be more careful when she uses the word "rock", because it can create false expectations for people who still desire/expect/want her to release "rock" music. If she doesn't deliver, she should stop using that word to describe her music or career and use pop-rock at the most.
Not Afferty being given a warning because he re-posted something that Emma posted ages ago and that is on Vulps signature
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Originally posted by KKCuteCat
Girl, how do i know that you're kidding when we're talking online. Even myfriend mistaking that I'm insulting them when i'm messing with them via text .
But I apologizes if you were just kidding .
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Originally posted by Jack Jackson
Not Afferty being given a warning because he re-posted something that Emma posted ages ago and that is on Vulps signature
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My country will release singles collection of Avril Lavigne and Ivory Music & Video(local label of Avril here) are also asking suggestions for LP release. that cover for single collections tho.
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Avril is doing ROCK music again??
Did Melissa Vandella died from Lyme Disease?
I am ready for real Avril's return tho.
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