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Discussion: Archived: The J-Pop Discussion Thread (#1)
Member Since: 12/9/2009
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The So Nice link isn't working, get it together alex 
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Member Since: 6/15/2009
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The So Nice link isn't working, get it together alex |
Thanks for letting me know. Fixed. It was working yesterday if yall find another broken link let me know. Avex can delete anything at anytime.
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Member Since: 12/9/2009
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My averages
Koda Kumi - 6.75
Ayumi Hamasaki - 5.55
Namie Amuro - 6.75
Kana - 4.85
You ****s better recognize the one good Kana song in this competition! If it gets eliminated early, God help me... 
I haven't kept up with the divas very much recently so I realized 2 things while doing the rate, besides Namie still being a Queen, of course. I've come to appreciate Koda. She does what she does really well (barring the cutesie ****) and I think it clicked for me halfway through the Lay Down video  . Second, Ayumi is still a useless, try-hard mess. I'll just say what people say when they try (and fail) to shade the true Queen of J-pop; you can't just have a piano going with some melodramatic strings in the background and throw a few sad words together to magically have a good song. She's trash and she deserves all the flop that comes to her. 
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Member Since: 1/1/2011
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I see Charice was taking notes from the boss Utada for her new image. Newt, explain.
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Member Since: 1/1/2011
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Member Since: 12/3/2010
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I've come to appreciate Koda.
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I've officially seen it all. 
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Member Since: 8/22/2011
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Middle = beast mode on
last = I'd rather not
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Everybody loves Kumi nowadays, while nearly nobody is here for Ayumi anymore. Her recent flops stick and she's become a rusty shadow of her former pretentious self. I give Namie a year or two before she falls into irrelevancy again, this time forever. Utada comes back from her hiatus and breaks records over records. CK will smash in the US and everything is right and beautiful in the world again. 
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Member Since: 8/22/2011
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Originally posted by Chunk
Everybody loves Kumi nowadays, while nearly nobody is here for Ayumi anymore. Her recent flops stick and she's become a rusty shadow of her former pretentious self. I give Namie a year or two before she falls into irrelevancy again, this time forever. Utada comes back from her hiatus and breaks records over records. CK will smash in the US and everything is right and beautiful in the world again. |
I can actually totally see this chain of events happening, and I'm not coming from a negative place at all. There's a lot of factors that go into ayu's current state that actually make it a little heartbreaking - the deafness, for example, has affected her live performances in a major way and she basically can't dance anymore because of how the part of the brain that handles balance is located near the ear. I mean, it's aggravating for fans in the sense that she keeps releasing compilations and whatnot, not helping her case as at least a recording artist...I don't know. I think her time has passed for good. You can't fall that hard and just bounce back.
Namie's material is becoming less interesting, point blank, and her live skills won't save her if she doesn't step it up a notch. As much as people love the nostalgia of seeing songs like "Body Feels Exit," if she doesn't carve out some more serious classics for herself instead of in-the-moment messes like "In the Spotlight," she's going to be in trouble eventually...even if it takes 5 more years.
There's no doubt in my mind that Utada has a plan. If TRF could do it, she could do it with twice the success.
Crystal clearly has something up her sleeve, too, seeing who she's been working with and where.
I kind of like where things are going tbh.
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Member Since: 11/5/2005
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Just sent in my rates.
My averages:
Koda Kumi: 7.6
Ayumi Hamasaki: 8
Namie Amuro: 8.2
Kana Nishino: 6.6
Alex, alot of those links you posted are sh!t btw. Luckily I already had most of these songs on my computer except for several of the Kana songs which were a b!tch to find 
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Member Since: 6/24/2011
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My averages:
Kuu: 7.25
Ayu: 6.85
Namie: 7.25
Fishino: 4.5
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Member Since: 11/5/2005
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I give Namie a year or two before she falls into irrelevancy again, this time forever.
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LMAO, people were saying this after 'BEST FICTION' yet Namie has proved people wrong time and time again with 'PAST<FUTURE', 'Checkmate!' and 'Uncontrolled' and she'll do it again with 'FEEL'. Considering she's coming off a record breaking dome tour and the fact that practically every song she releases digitally shoots to #1 on recochoku with ease Namie ain't going anywhere anytime soon. The Japanese public is still very much high on Namie and while she'll most likely expierence the invetiable dip in sales there's no way she's fading into complete irrelevancy in two years.
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Member Since: 1/1/2011
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Originally posted by SO.UNCOOL™
LMAO, people were saying this after 'BEST FICTION' yet Namie has proved people wrong time and time again with 'PAST<FUTURE', 'Checkmate!' and 'Uncontrolled' and she'll do it again with 'FEEL'. Considering she's coming off a record breaking dome tour and the fact that practically every song she releases digitally shoots to #1 on recochoku with ease Namie ain't going anywhere anytime soon. The Japanese public is still very much high on Namie and while she'll most likely expierence the invetiable dip in sales there's no way she's fading into complete irrelevancy in two years.
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It's been over 4 years since her last #1 single on the Oricon chart and her albums sell consistently well since her comeback, but there's not doubt in my mind that the fact that FEEL comes only one year after UNCONTROLLED will hurt its sales. The considerable quality loss of her songs are making things even worse tbh, even though Big Boys Cry was at least better than half of the singles for Uncontrolled. I've learned that Digital released singles practically have no say in the japanese music business at all, if you don't believe me, ask the Ayumi fans. Namie will take a longer break after FEEL for sure and when she comes back and faces REAL competition again like Utada's return, then her future career IS undeniably in jeopardy, all trolling aside.
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Member Since: 8/22/2011
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Member Since: 11/5/2005
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Originally posted by Chunk
It's been over 4 years since her last #1 single on the Oricon chart and her albums sell consistently well since her comeback, but there's not doubt in my mind that the fact that FEEL comes only one year after UNCONTROLLED will hurt its sales. The considerable quality loss of her songs are making things even worse tbh, even though Big Boys Cry was at least better than half of the singles for Uncontrolled. I've learned that Digital released practically have no say in the japanese music business at all, if you don't believe me, ask the Ayumi fans. Namie will take a longer break after FEEL for sure and when she comes back and faces REAL competition again like Utada's return, then her future career IS undeniably in jeopardy, all trolling aside.
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It's not all about #1's, just because a single hit #1 on the Oricon singles chart doesn't nessecarily make it a big hit. & Namie has never been a big physical single seller anyways. There will no doubt be a drop in sales from 'Uncontrolled' but the drop will nowhere be as big to the point she'll fade into irrelevancy. She's coming off a big era and a HUGE tour. & digital sales DO mean something LOL. IDK where your getting your info from. The digital monster that was "Love Story" is a huge reason why 'Uncontrolled' did so well. The "Love Story" physical single was also her biggest selling physical single since 2009's "WILD" so digital success can definitely play a factor in pyhsical sales. & who's to say Namie is gonna take a break after 'FEEL'? Can you tell the future? She's going on tour in August in support of the album and will most likely release a single or two while on tour like she's done the past couple years.
As for Utada, her comeback is up in the air. No one knows what she's up to nor do we know if the public will even react big to her when she does return. & who says Namie and Utada can't both be successful at the same time? So many people on this site are into that competetion bullsh!t but female artsits can co-exist. Infact in 2008 Namie, Utada, Ayu & Kumi all had albums that shifted big numbers.
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Member Since: 8/22/2011
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Originally posted by SO.UNCOOL™
So many people on this site are into that competetion bullsh!t but female artsits can co-exist..
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This + the utter ignorance of male artists are among the most annoying parts of the site
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This + the utter ignorance of male artists are among the most annoying parts of the site
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LMAO YES. I can't stand the QUEENS on this site that hate on a song simply because it's sung by a male. Yet if thier female fave sung the same song they'd praise it to the heavens. MESS
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Member Since: 8/22/2011
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LMAO YES. I can't stand the QUEENS on this site that hate on a song simply because it's sung by a male. Yet if thier female fave sung the same song they'd praise it to the heavens. MESS |
well I mean it's particularly ironic because most of the users of the site are gay males who have no room to discriminate
but they hide behind usernames so it's A-OK
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Member Since: 1/1/2011
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Originally posted by Belle
I can actually totally see this chain of events happening, and I'm not coming from a negative place at all. There's a lot of factors that go into ayu's current state that actually make it a little heartbreaking - the deafness, for example, has affected her live performances in a major way and she basically can't dance anymore because of how the part of the brain that handles balance is located near the ear. I mean, it's aggravating for fans in the sense that she keeps releasing compilations and whatnot, not helping her case as at least a recording artist...I don't know. I think her time has passed for good. You can't fall that hard and just bounce back.
Namie's material is becoming less interesting, point blank, and her live skills won't save her if she doesn't step it up a notch. As much as people love the nostalgia of seeing songs like "Body Feels Exit," if she doesn't carve out some more serious classics for herself instead of in-the-moment messes like "In the Spotlight," she's going to be in trouble eventually...even if it takes 5 more years.
There's no doubt in my mind that Utada has a plan. If TRF could do it, she could do it with twice the success.
Crystal clearly has something up her sleeve, too, seeing who she's been working with and where.
I kind of like where things are going tbh.
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Yeah, it's pretty sad, but the inevitable career death could come any time now. The only question is if she'll go down with grace or try to milk every ounce of cash out of her remaining fans. She had a good run, but she's neither vocally convincing nor with her weak dance skills. A well-marketed image and self-written poets can take you only so far, of course the deaf thing is speeding up matters even more.
Basically what you said about Namie is my opinion on things too, although I actually liked In The Spotlight?  Play & Past/Future were two classic modern J-pop albums that even I thoroughly enjoyed and can't deny it's awesomeness.
You wanna know her plan? As if it's not self-explanatory. Kingdom ****ing Hearts III is her plan. Nuff said. 
Well, CK is always making sure to give us stans the maximal quality and material that we can be proud to be stanning for, even if it ultimately flops yet again or do the impossible and smashes. I still need concrete informations about her Western venture plans, but if the promotion is right AND that's the only important thing, then she could really actually do it. Other than that I would also love for her to release new stuff more frequent again, especially because I'm quite sure that after 30 she'll start thinking about marrying and having family and all that, so by then she'll probably pull a Christina and release a new record every 3-4 yrs or so. 
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Are you guys refering to the general situation on this pop forum? Because 97% of male j-pop artists I've listened to are boring trash...but before you go off about my "rude" behaviour again there are a few male j-pop djs/bands that are quite good and innovative, so it's not all that. Fact is though, that the sole main reason why I listen to J-pop as a whole, is because of two things: BOPS. QUANTITY.
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