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News: Atheists, agnostics know most about religion, survey says
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Originally posted by Celestial
They're all hypocrites. Christianity is only the largest religion in the world because it was forced upon so many people, initially the Roman Empire was the reason it became prominent in Europe, and then centuries later when Europe was the most powerful continent they spread it to other parts of the world in the age of Imperialism. I can't stand the church, it's disgusting and to me it is evil. The Inquisition, the With-Hunts, The Holy Wars and most recently the child sex abuse scandals were all terrible manifestations of malevolence. The institution has been crippled by corruption as it has been for centuries, that's not going to go away. The Church has always been about power/control, they couldn't care less about God/Jesus/love/equality and all the other things they use to entice people.
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Harsh, but this is history that cannot be denied.
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Originally posted by Celestial
So you believe in god because you believe he has "blessed" you? If God is so kind then why has he allowed this world to become so unjust? The most devout Christians live in poor countries, they have absolutely nothing. Does god not care about them?
The whole "god gave us free will" is Christianity's answer to so many questions, it's a cop out that allows them to justify or make sense of things that occur. "Why does God let bad things happen?" "Because he gave us free will"
They're all hypocrites. Christianity is only the largest religion in the world because it was forced upon so many people, initially the Roman Empire was the reason it became prominent in Europe, and then centuries later when Europe was the most powerful continent they spread it to other parts of the world in the age of Imperialism. I can't stand the church, it's disgusting and to me it is evil. The Inquisition, the With-Hunts, The Holy Wars and most recently the child sex abuse scandals were all terrible manifestations of malevolence. The institution has been crippled by corruption as it has been for centuries, that's not going to go away. The Church has always been about power/control, they couldn't care less about God/Jesus/love/equality and all the other things they use to entice people.
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Generalizing...nonsense.
With this i can clearly say that you don't know anything about Christianity, with the exception of thescandals.
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Originally posted by Celestial
So you believe in god because you believe he has "blessed" you? If God is so kind then why has he allowed this world to become so unjust? The most devout Christians live in poor countries, they have absolutely nothing. Does god not care about them?
The whole "god gave us free will" is Christianity's answer to so many questions, it's a cop out that allows them to justify or make sense of things that occur. "Why does God let bad things happen?" "Because he gave us free will"
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She believes in God cus God makes her happy, is that a problem for you?
And what are you talking about "Why does God let bad things happen" " Because he gave us free will"
Who said that
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Originally posted by MrDeeds
Generalizing...nonsense.
With this i can clearly say that you don't know anything about Christianity, with the exception of thescandals.
She believes in God cus God makes her happy, is that a problem for you?
And what are you talking about "Why does God let bad things happen" " Because he gave us free will"
Who said that
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I was born a Christian, I'm very familiar with it. You're certainly doing a good job of living up to the egocentric, condescending attitude that they have exemplified on a number of occasions.
60 million people died during World War II, what did god do to save those innocent lives that were lost? Nothing, because he gave us free will. I've heard that excuse on a number of occasions.
If god makes her happy then good for her, I'm not so easily pleased. In a world with so much injustice, I wonder how anyone could have so much faith in a god who sit back and does nothing to help those who cannot help themselves.
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Originally posted by Celestial
I was born a Christian, I'm very familiar with it. You're certainly doing a good job of living up to the egocentric, condescending attitude that they have exemplified on a number of occasions.
60 million people died during World War II, what did god do to save those innocent lives that were lost? Nothing, because he gave us free will. I've heard that excuse on a number of occasions.
If god makes her happy then good for her, I'm not so easily pleased. In a world with so much injustice, I wonder how anyone could have so much faith in a god who site back and does nothing to help those who cannot help themselves.
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I have thought about this as well. However, I came to the conclusion that your argument was just as invalid as anyone trying to understand "God". I don't know if he exists, but tell me if he did, why would we, humans, have absolutely any idea why he does things
Life is not free from tragedy but can we really prevent it?
And also, as bad as this sounds, death is a good thing for our world. It keeps population from spiking to dangerous levels and (attempts to) balances everything out. War is man-made, but it also contributes to the benefits places feel with less people, even as horrible as war is.
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Originally posted by Celestial
60 million people died during World War II, what did god do to save those innocent lives that were lost? Nothing, because he gave us free will. I've heard that excuse on a number of occasions.
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Im not gonna start a discussion, cus it's your choice to believe or not, but whoever told you that, it's wrong. It doesn't make sense at all.
Where you heard that? lol
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Originally posted by Newt45
I have thought about this as well. However, I came to the conclusion that your argument was just as invalid as anyone trying to understand "God". I don't know if he exists, but tell me if he did, why would we, humans, have absolutely any idea why he does things
Life is not free from tragedy but can we really prevent it?
And also, as bad as this sounds, death is a good thing for our world. It keeps population from spiking to dangerous levels and (attempts to) balances everything out. War is man-made, but it also contributes to the benefits places feel with less people, even as horrible as war is.
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I was speaking hypothetically. If God is how Christianity portrays him to be, then why does he do so little for those who believe in him? If he is so good why does he allow so much destruction?
Tragedy cannot be prevented entirely but it can be limited. There is no reason for it to become as widespread as it is now. Nothing is ever going to be perfect, but that doesn't mean we should not strive for perfection.
Death is natural, it's part of the cycle of life, but what you're saying is totally ridiculous. There's no reason for people's lives to be cut short in such a brutal manner. Human population will even itself out naturally, the way you are speaking sounds as though you would approve a "cull" in order to control population. That is disgusting.
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Originally posted by MrDeeds
Im not gonna start a discussion, cus it's your choice to believe or not, but whoever told you that, it's wrong. It doesn't make sense at all.
Where you heard that? lol
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If God intervened and stopped WWII then he would have infringed upon our free will. It ultimately happened because of decisions we made, if we didn't have free will then we wouldn't have been able to make them. The only reason I mentioned it in the first place is because the person i quoted said "God gave us free will", I've heard that so many time and I find it incredibly irritating. That's all.
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Originally posted by Celestial
I was speaking hypothetically. If God is how Christianity portrays him to be, then why does he do so little for those who believe in him? If he is so good why does he allow so much destruction?
Tragedy cannot be prevented entirely but it can be limited. There is no reason for it to become as widespread as it is now. Nothing is ever going to be perfect, but that doesn't mean we should not strive for perfection.
Death is natural, it's part of the cycle of life, but what you're saying is totally ridiculous. There's no reason for people's lives to be cut short in such a brutal manner. Human population will even itself out naturally, the way you are speaking sounds as though you would approve a "cull" in order to control population. That is disgusting.
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I approve nothing that I have said. Just as you pointed out to Discostickk23 the painful truth of the matter, I'm only doing the same to you. I condone absolutely nothing to ever purposefully kill other people. Striving for perfection is exactly what we should do.
And that is where we differ. You are speaking of the God that is referred to in Christianity. I am referring to the "God" that could possibly exist in any shape or form, be it the Christian God or not. My whole point is, why would we ever be able to understand "God's" reasons for allowing tragedy ( if God exists)
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Originally posted by Celestial
I was born a Christian, I'm very familiar with it. You're certainly doing a good job of living up to the egocentric, condescending attitude that they have exemplified on a number of occasions.
60 million people died during World War II, what did god do to save those innocent lives that were lost? Nothing, because he gave us free will. I've heard that excuse on a number of occasions.
If god makes her happy then good for her, I'm not so easily pleased. In a world with so much injustice, I wonder how anyone could have so much faith in a god who sit back and does nothing to help those who cannot help themselves.
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Originally posted by RudeBoy
It's not the religion that isn't perfect, humans are.
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Member Since: 11/24/2006
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Originally posted by Celestial
If God intervened and stopped WWII then he would have infringed upon our free will. It ultimately happened because of decisions we made, if we didn't have free will then we wouldn't have been able to make them. The only reason I mentioned it in the first place is because the person i quoted said "God gave us free will", I've heard that so many time and I find it incredibly irritating. That's all.
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I still don't understand how it makes sense for someone that victims died because of their free will, but it's okay
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Originally posted by MrDeeds
I still don't understand how it makes sense for someone that victims died because of their free will, but it's okay
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People die everyday because of the decisions they made or because of the decisions other people have made. Example: when someone is murdered, another person made the decision to end that life. If they didn't have free will, then they wouldn't have been able to make that decision.
Do you get it now?
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Originally posted by RudeBoy
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The point is, if people believe in God because he does good things for them, why doesn't he do it for everyone that believes in him? Why isn't everyone who has God in their lives "blessed" or fortunate?
For every propaganda story about how "Jesus saves" I'm sure there's an equal but opposite story of how a [Christian] person was brutally murdered.
People are so close-minded. As long as nothing bad happens to them then everything is fine and dandy and the beliefs they stick to hold true. They don't even think twice to apply what they say to the people around the world who suffer.
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Originally posted by GeezusHaberdash
The point is, if people believe in God because he does good things for them, why doesn't he do it for everyone that believes in him? Why isn't everyone who has God in their lives "blessed" or fortunate?
For every propaganda story about how "Jesus saves" I'm sure there's an equal but opposite story of how a [Christian] person was brutally murdered.
People are so close-minded. As long as nothing bad happens to them then everything is fine and dandy and the beliefs they stick to hold true. They don't even think twice to apply what they say to the people around the world who suffer.
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Everything that is happening on you is a combination of God's plans for you, your own personal choices, and the upshots of your interaction with the world. So don't put all the blame on God.
Do atheists/agnostics really think that believing in God, submission to Him will actually guarantee someone a prosperous life free from burdens and troubles?
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Originally posted by fabbriche
Do atheists/agnostics really think that believing in God, submission to Him will actually guarantee someone a prosperous life free from burdens and troubles?
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If they did, they wouldn't be atheists.
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Originally posted by Newt45
And also, as bad as this sounds, death is a good thing for our world. It keeps population from spiking to dangerous levels and (attempts to) balances everything out. War is man-made, but it also contributes to the benefits places feel with less people, even as horrible as war is.
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Germany's population in 1939 was 79 Million, but that was during the annexation of Austria and the Sudetenland, i.e. a whole lot more territory than today.
Nowadays Germany is much smaller than that (regions like the Lorraine and Alsace were given to France and Austria is independant again) and counts 82 Million people and we can easily sustain this many people and more.
Please don't try to spot 'positive' things about systematically murdering six million Jews in addition to homosexuals, gypsies, Sinti and Roma and the disabled, not to mention the seven million soldiers (some of them forced into the Wehrmacht against their will) who died.
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To the argument about controlling the human population, that's probably why we have so many natural disasters. But also I think, you saw this coming huh?, he created homosexuals to reduce the population without killing innocent people. It's an easy way out to let everyone live on and live peacefully without the need for killing.
My faith in God is strong and I think he does exist and I'll be next to his side when I die. God loves everyone. He doesn't discriminate like some of you think. Go watch the Mist by Stephen King. The relgious storyline is just over the board and the religious nut is insane.
She thinks God is this bloodthristy hungry God who wants to sacrifrice BOYS who are like 8 years old. When she told her followers to grab the boy and kill him, I was like, that's not what God is. God doesn't send plagues on us for his satisfaction either.
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Originally posted by Roman
Germany's population in 1939 was 79 Million, but that was during the annexation of Austria and the Sudetenland, i.e. a whole lot more territory than today.
Nowadays Germany is much smaller than that (regions like the Lorraine and Alsace were given to France and Austria is independant again) and counts 82 Million people and we can easily sustain this many people and more.
Please don't try to spot 'positive' things about systematically murdering six million Jews in addition to homosexuals, gypsies, Sinti and Roma and the disabled, not to mention the seven million soldiers (some of them forced into the Wehrmacht against their will) who died.
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You misunderstand me. I am not talking about the Holocaust specifically, just speaking about death in general. Your speaking about it from a moral standpoint, I'm not.
Germany may be fine on the population side of thing but some countries are not.
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What if God is one of us? Just a slob like one of us? Just a stranger on the bus trying his way home?
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Originally posted by Newt45
You misunderstand me. I am not talking about the Holocaust specifically, just speaking about death in general. Your speaking about it from a moral standpoint, I'm not.
Germany may be fine on the population side of thing but some countries are not.
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Which countries benefitted from having parts of their population die during WWII?
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Originally posted by JM4ever
What if God is one of us? Just a slob like one of us? Just a stranger on the bus trying his way home?
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